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Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
« on: December 12, 2018, 09:34:55 PM »
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #1 on: December 12, 2018, 11:30:44 PM »
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  • I am sorry about that first attempt at a new post. I originally wrote it in word and then tried to "cut and paste" I hope someone can delete it

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    I have deferred posting as we had a completely new group of priests assigned to Our Lady Of Sorrows.
    It was my hope as I'm sure it was for many others that the new Prior Fr.McFarland would be the great unifier as promised. Sadly this is not the case. All The work done in that regard by Fr. Stafki in his last months here have withered on the vine as they say. The young adults group rarely if ever meet. The Holy Name Society ,though try as they might is but a former shell of itself and the ladies auxiliary was all but nonexistent on their last meeting day
    Oh let us not forget the school. With our new priests there was going to be a 'redoubling" of their effort to expand the school and offer new courses and activities. again sadly not the case. there is no new courses or activities and as far as expanding goes we have just 2 high school students. There has been no parish meeting as promised and I am hard pressed to remember the last time we had a High Mass.
    Some will say I have not allowed enough time for the new priests to acclimate ,That I must allow for transition, that they were ill prepared for a parish so fractured as ours.
    Maybe my detractors are right  but how long are we to wait for ours to be like every other large SSPX parish in North America?
    Collections are down .Parish attendance is down. It seems that the only thing that is growing is a sense of malaise at the time of year when we normally see the greatest activity and highest numbers in  attendance ,visitors and collections.
    It is sad what has become of a once growing traditional parish    



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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #2 on: December 13, 2018, 11:34:35 AM »
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  • There is no longer a High Mass on Sunday??

    Why not?

    Six priests in residence and no High Mass? 

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #3 on: December 14, 2018, 12:52:12 AM »
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  • Wow, sounds like the chapel needs a full exorcism of the neo-SSPX demons.

    How is Fr. Pederson making out? 

    This is his first duty in live combat.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #4 on: December 14, 2018, 11:14:29 AM »
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    Some will say I have not allowed enough time for the new priests to acclimate ,That I must allow for transition, that they were ill prepared for a parish so fractured as ours.
    Maybe my detractors are right  but how long are we to wait for ours to be like every other large SSPX parish in North America?o

    It sounds to me that your sspx chapel is already like every other large sspx parish in NA.  Don't you understand?  The sspx hierarchy moves priests around as a control mechanism.  They don't want priests to become too beloved, or to become too entrenched, or clothed with too much power in any single sspx parish setting. They must show the faithful that they have the authority to do with these priests as they please, whenever they please.  They do the best they can to keep their priests on a leash
    What these folks are really about is running a fairly large business and manufacturing enterprise out of Menzingen.  The Menzingen bosses, among their other business interests, manufacture donors like yourself to help keep the enterprise running.  You don't understand this yet? Gosh, I wish someone could break it to you less harshly.  We pray that all you guileless sspx hangers on, when once you realize the betrayal of your leaders, and begin to fall into despair, will have a soft landing in the end.


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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #5 on: December 19, 2018, 04:06:21 PM »
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  • I have just heard this morning that Fr. McFarland has requested to be reassigned this coming summer 
    This is only natural. If you think the ship is beyond repair it makes no sense to waste your time bailing water. There are plenty of other ships or parishes if you prefer and in Fr. Mcfarlands defence he had no idea of the state of our parish . All you have to do is meet him or just see him walking the grounds and it is obvious he is not happy . who could blame him, sent under false pretenses to a school on the verge of closing ,to a parish fractured and apathetic  oh and worst of all ,the very cause of all these troubles  a unfinished glorified warehouse to say Mass in . That BTW is being kept unfinished until we pay the debt off 
    Fr. McFarland was not privy to any of this or the blackmail 
    So I ask again Who can blame him ?        

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #6 on: December 19, 2018, 08:50:16 PM »
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  • The Phoenix priory may be Fr. Wegner's biggest failure to date.

    Providence does not allow him, as in Post Falls, to declare "the scandal is over!"
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #7 on: December 19, 2018, 09:49:00 PM »
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  • We all ought to weep and pray for Fr. McFarland.  Though I've never seen or met him, it is difficult to conceive that he is anything but a good and sincere young priest who wants nothing more than to please his God and bring honor to the family that helped him lovingly in the direction of the priesthood.  I was saddened by the post which informs us that he is not happy in Phoenix.  It is a dark day.


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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #8 on: December 20, 2018, 02:25:21 AM »
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  • We all ought to weep and pray for Fr. McFarland.  Though I've never seen or met him, it is difficult to conceive that he is anything but a good and sincere young priest who wants nothing more than to please his God and bring honor to the family that helped him lovingly in the direction of the priesthood.  I was saddened by the post which informs us that he is not happy in Phoenix.  It is a dark day.
    Thank You for that post
    It was exactly what I was trying to convey. I pray he gets his transfer and puts this parish behind him. It would do him well to seek the counsel of other priests who have asked to be reassigned from this place. It would be a shame if he thought he were alone and the fault was his  

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #9 on: December 20, 2018, 10:20:16 AM »
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  • Fr. McFarland is a nice priests, but like most of the nice young priests coming out of the SSPX seminary, they are not prepared for the combat that comes with a parish. Their experience has always been in the academic setting or other ordered settings (schools) where they are in charge of younger people (kids) or parish organizations (docile perishers). The SSPX should only put highly experienced priests in charge of a priory and then have the younger priests as assistants so they can experience without being fully in-charge.  Plus it would help to visit mental hospitals, abused children or prisons to get accustomed dealing with people from different backgrounds and serious issues.

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #10 on: December 20, 2018, 10:35:22 AM »
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  • We all ought to weep and pray for Fr. McFarland.  Though I've never seen or met him, it is difficult to conceive that he is anything but a good and sincere young priest who wants nothing more than to please his God and bring honor to the family that helped him lovingly in the direction of the priesthood.  I was saddened by the post which informs us that he is not happy in Phoenix.  It is a dark day.

    Indeed, it will be a "dark day" for all 700+ SSPX priests and the Catholic remnant when Menzingen makes an accord with the Destroyer pope.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #11 on: December 20, 2018, 12:38:26 PM »
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    Mr. G: The SSPX should only put highly experienced priests in charge of a priory and then have the younger priests as assistants so they can experience without being fully in-charge.  Plus it would help to visit mental hospitals, abused children or prisons to get accustomed dealing with people from different backgrounds and serious issues.


     
    I wasn’t aware that sspx had many “highly experienced priests.” But aren’t the few who qualify in this regard usually given jobs at headquarters, far away from rank and file parishioners? I know of only one sspx priest in my experience who did much visitation of any kind, and that certainly wasn’t to mental hospitals or abused children facilities.
    SSPX priests specialize in liturgical things and breviary reading. They’re like hired domestics who don’t do windows. But you can’t blame them for that. It’s the way they’ve been trained. Charitable acts are not normally a part of their job description.

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #12 on: December 20, 2018, 12:51:09 PM »
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    I wasn’t aware that sspx had many “highly experienced priests.” But aren’t the few who qualify in this regard usually given jobs at headquarters, far away from rank and file parishioners? I know of only one sspx priest in my experience who did much visitation of any kind, and that certainly wasn’t to mental hospitals or abused children facilities.
    SSPX priests specialize in liturgical things and breviary reading. They’re like hired domestics who don’t do windows. But you can’t blame them for that. It’s the way they’ve been trained. Charitable acts are not normally a part of their job description.
    The visitations to hospitals, etc. is a recommendation for their training to help them deal with the various problems they will have to deal with as a parish priests. I would not recommend it as their on going apostolate, unless the SSPX starts a sub-group of priests dedicated for that cause. 

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #13 on: December 20, 2018, 01:00:25 PM »
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  • Fr. McFarland is a nice priests, but like most of the nice young priests coming out of the SSPX seminary, they are not prepared for the combat that comes with a parish. Their experience has always been in the academic setting or other ordered settings (schools) where they are in charge of younger people (kids) or parish organizations (docile perishers). The SSPX should only put highly experienced priests in charge of a priory and then have the younger priests as assistants so they can experience without being fully in-charge.  Plus it would help to visit mental hospitals, abused children or prisons to get accustomed dealing with people from different backgrounds and serious issues.

    I would go one further.

    I've heard good things about this or that priest who is part of the "new crop" of priests coming out of the American SSPX Seminary (formerly Winona, MN -- now in Virginia).
    Nevertheless, their good will or personal holiness will be limited/challenged by the organization they belong to, the neo-SSPX. While it's true that there are "good priests" in the neo-SSPX, it's also equally true that the organization, as such, is compromised, fallen, and therefore evil. Evil sounds like a strong word, but I can't think of any other word for an organization which is trying to bring Catholics to lay down their arms and stop fighting Vatican II like an ultimate evil, superheresy, which must be avoided AT ALL COSTS. That is how I was raised as as Trad. That's what the SSPX used to be about. Now they focus on the "positives" and all the good things within the Conciliar Church and Vatican II.

    The old Traditional Catholic rallying cry was/is "Vatican II must be destroyed." Like the old Carthago delenda est.

    The new SSPX rallying cry is "Vatican II isn't as bad as you think."

    NO THANKS.
    Vatican II is worse than you think. However bad you think Vatican II is -- it's actually worse.

    Three truths of Catholicism: You can't love God too much, you can't praise Our Blessed Mother too much, and you can't criticize Vatican II too much. I mean that literally and I'm dead serious.
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix update
    « Reply #14 on: December 20, 2018, 01:06:22 PM »
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  • The visitations to hospitals, etc. is a recommendation for their training to help them deal with the various problems they will have to deal with as a parish priests. I would not recommend it as their on going apostolate, unless the SSPX starts a sub-group of priests dedicated for that cause.

    The SSPX used to have priests who were quite apostolic, even going door-to-door to make converts. I've met some of those converts who told their story of how they joined the chapel. The SSPX used to have awesome priests among their number (which is why I was a fervent, pro-SSPX supporter for many years!), but unfortunately most have left, been compromised/spiritually neutered, or were sent to the far reaches of the empire where they won't get in the way.
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