Author Topic: Our Lady of Sorrows, Phoenix AZ (Read 11464 times)

Henry101 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 03, 2015, 07:27:55 PM »

I live very close to this chapel and can provide some details.
It refers to itself as a "community" precisely because the chapel grounds houses a large school, a large retreat center, dormitories for the people on the retreats, and a large priory that services parts of Colorado, California, Arizona, and Texas.

The chapel lives the Faith as good as could possibly be. They had an ordination ceremony last week as well that was denounced by the Ordinary of the diocese. +Fellay went ahead irregardless. There has already been 3 babies baptized in the chapel as well. The church will attract many faithful from all over the Phoenix area and many people will be converted to the Faith.

All this knitpicking on the details is very disturbing and pharisee-like. Whats next? Is someone going to complain that the tabernacle veil the wrong color? Did Father mispronounce the "Asperges me" on Sunday? Or did they not capitalize the word "traditional" on their website?

Matthew · « **Reply #6 on:** October 03, 2015, 08:19:09 PM »

Quote from: Henry101

I live very close to this chapel and can provide some details.
It refers to itself as a "community" precisely because the chapel grounds houses a large school, a large retreat center, dormitories for the people on the retreats, and a large priory that services parts of Colorado, California, Arizona, and Texas.

The chapel lives the Faith as good as could possibly be. They had an ordination ceremony last week as well that was denounced by the Ordinary of the diocese. +Fellay went ahead irregardless. There has already been 3 babies baptized in the chapel as well. The church will attract many faithful from all over the Phoenix area and many people will be converted to the Faith.

All this knitpicking on the details is very disturbing and pharisee-like. Whats next? Is someone going to complain that the tabernacle veil the wrong color? Did Father mispronounce the "Asperges me" on Sunday? Or did they not capitalize the word "traditional" on their website?

They sure suckered you in.

Most of us with eyes to see know how to recognize Novus Ordo -- even when they have a "plausible alibi" when someone calls them on it.

You can't deny novus ordo flavor...even if they ARE technically a "community". That's beside the point. That isn't Trad language. Period. No one is pulling the wool over my eyes.

P.S. There's a bit of a story behind that "...and Texas". You pass over it, but you fail to acknowledge that the San Antonio chapel, started in 1975, used to be served by the Houston, TX priory for decades. Houston is 3 1/2 to 4 hours away BY CAR. Now the San Antonio chapel is being served out of Phoenix BY PLANE. Why?

Because Phoenix is "in the hole" for their new building, and they need to milk the San Antonio cash cow to help pay for it (NOTE: internally, a mission chapel does "pay" the priory for sending a priest. Money IS moved around in this way.) Bingo! Plus the monthly "Priory" second collection will now go to the Phoenix priory.

Henry101 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 03, 2015, 08:47:16 PM »

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Quote from: Henry101
I live very close to this chapel and can provide some details.
It refers to itself as a "community" precisely because the chapel grounds houses a large school, a large retreat center, dormitories for the people on the retreats, and a large priory that services parts of Colorado, California, Arizona, and Texas.

The chapel lives the Faith as good as could possibly be. They had an ordination ceremony last week as well that was denounced by the Ordinary of the diocese. +Fellay went ahead irregardless. There has already been 3 babies baptized in the chapel as well. The church will attract many faithful from all over the Phoenix area and many people will be converted to the Faith.

All this knitpicking on the details is very disturbing and pharisee-like. Whats next? Is someone going to complain that the tabernacle veil the wrong color? Did Father mispronounce the "Asperges me" on Sunday? Or did they not capitalize the word "traditional" on their website?

They sure suckered you in.

Most of us with eyes to see know how to recognize Novus Ordo -- even when they have a "plausible alibi" when someone calls them on it.

You can't deny novus ordo flavor...even if they ARE technically a "community". That's beside the point. That isn't Trad language. Period. No one is pulling the wool over my eyes.

P.S. There's a bit of a story behind that "...and Texas". You pass over it, but you fail to acknowledge that the San Antonio chapel, started in 1975, used to be served by the Houston, TX priory for decades. Houston is 3 1/2 to 4 hours away BY CAR. Now the San Antonio chapel is being served out of Phoenix BY PLANE. Why?

Because Phoenix is "in the hole" for their new building, and they need to milk the San Antonio cash cow to help pay for it (NOTE: internally, a mission chapel does "pay" the priory for sending a priest. Money IS moved around in this way.) Bingo! Plus the monthly "Priory" second collection will now go to the Phoenix priory.

Mr. Mathew,
Are you really criticizing the money handling of the OLS community after all the threads that have popped up in recent weeks regarding the embezzlement accusations of resistance chapels?
Irregardless, yes, I know Menzingen has proven itself illegitimate in handling relations with Rome and keeping alive the vision of Mons. Lefevbre. However, arguing about these tiny details of chapels or priories is pitiful and counterproductive. If you attend the chapel and hear Fr. Frank speak, you'll now that he a holy man that has his days full with spiritual direction, running a school and a retreat center.

Also, the Houston priory still exists and supplies priests for Texas. However, there are times that OLS sends priests to El Paso in the western part of Texas. This has nothing to do with finances, but just convenience.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #8 on:** October 03, 2015, 08:56:33 PM »

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If you attend the chapel and hear Fr. Frank speak,

I did literally laugh out loud when reading this conversation about how N.O. or not this priory is and then hearing you refer to your priest by his first name.

Matthew · « **Reply #9 on:** October 03, 2015, 09:01:17 PM »

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If you attend the chapel and hear Fr. Frank speak, you'll now that he a holy man that has his days full with spiritual direction, running a school and a retreat center.

You have got to be kidding me. Truth really is stranger than fiction. You can't make this stuff up.

FR. FRANK? Did I hear you correctly?

You do realize, of course, that in the Novus Ordo they refer to their priests by their first name "Fr. James", "Fr. Frank", "Fr. John" and so forth. In the Traditional world, we use the traditional, more formal mode of addressing them "Fr. Smith", "Fr. McDaniels", "Fr. O'Callaghan" and so forth.

The fact that you are calling him "Fr. Frank" -- the neo-SSPX is really making some progress on their way to the Novus Ordo!