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Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2019, 08:03:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 29, 2019, 09:02:23 AM
    Now, we have a generation of Traditional Catholics who mostly were not even alive when Vatican II happened and the major battles between the SSPX and Rome took place; it's been 30 years since the consecrations.  So many of them don't even get "what all the fuss is about".  That's why the time is ripe for the absorption.

    This is true. But the problem isn't just with the young. We have found that many in the older generations have tunnel vision. They have been so primed to be wary of a deal that no matter what arguments are made, no matter what points are made, or changes highlighted, as long as they can fall back on "Well, Bishop Fellay didn't sign the deal", all is settled in their minds. It is the ace in the hole, the last word. It takes critical thinking to realize there's more than one way to skin the cat. 
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #31 on: May 02, 2019, 08:12:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: SanMateo on April 29, 2019, 08:46:01 AM
    Quote from: Town Crier on April 27, 2019, 10:28:06 AM

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    When was the last time you heard a sermon on the errors of Vatican II or the avoidance of false trad Masses ? Its been awhile.

    2019.  
    2019? ;)
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #32 on: May 02, 2019, 08:25:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on April 29, 2019, 09:41:50 AM
    What was the reaction of the faithful in the parish hall to this event?
    They were unaware of the visit or the red carpet treatment he received.Its been hushed up or if asked directly it is down played as "no big deal..next subject" That is why places like Cathinfo are so important where the truth can be exposed in safety 
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #33 on: May 03, 2019, 08:43:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: Town Crier on May 02, 2019, 08:25:25 PM
    They were unaware of the visit or the red carpet treatment he received.Its been hushed up or if asked directly it is down played as "no big deal..next subject" That is why places like Cathinfo are so important where the truth can be exposed in safety

    Fr. Jurgen Wegner covertly goes around the country meeting & making appointments with Conciliar bishops.

    As in the Walton priory visit by the anti-pro-life, Bp. Foys, Fr. Wegner had met with him two weeks prior.

    In this case, the Walton prior, Fr. Daniel Muscha played dumb when Foys showed up for a tour of the SSPX Walton school.

    He claimed surprise to his concerned faithful, and sought their sympathy for being unable to refuse a visit from their "good bishop".



    In business, this is called a staged performance, otherwise known as a "dog & pony act".

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #34 on: May 03, 2019, 12:35:06 PM »
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    • I’m surprised that it wasn’t published in the article. Look, the conciliar church loves us now! Pope Francis says we’re Catholic! Look!

     I thought they would have loved to parade it around. 
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #35 on: May 03, 2019, 02:10:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mega-fin on May 03, 2019, 12:35:06 PM
    I’m surprised that it wasn’t published in the article. Look, the conciliar church loves us now! Pope Francis says we’re Catholic! Look!

     I thought they would have loved to parade it around.

    Trads aren't the right audience for that or they will tip their hand too much and prove those nasty CathInfo rumors true. They will save this parade for conservative audiences who, God bless them, eat this stuff up. 
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #36 on: May 03, 2019, 07:12:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: homeschoolmom on May 03, 2019, 02:10:03 PM
    Trads aren't the right audience for that or they will tip their hand too much and prove those nasty CathInfo rumors true. They will save this parade for conservative audiences who, God bless them, eat this stuff up.
    absolutely right  :cheers:
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #37 on: May 03, 2019, 07:29:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on April 28, 2019, 08:28:50 PM
    Don't forget FSSP had Fr. Kenneth Walker shot 11 times, that never made the AZ Repugnick.  His mother had autopsy done.  His mother is the sister to Kathleen Plumb of the Four Marks newspaper.  The Four Marks reported this.  And don't forget about Fr. Terre.  If I am correct, Fr. Terre was not desired in CA and was invited to AZ and made the FSSP.  Isn't strange how one indigent, scape goat makes jail?

    Source?

    Source: The Four Marks newspaper, editor Kathleen Plumb Box 58, Ballantine, MT 59006  www.FourMarks.com
    Kathleen Plumb flatly denied to be the source of your bizarre information.
    Therefore, please provide credible source(s) for
    1. FSSP had Fr. Walker shot 11 times,
    2. What was autopsy result,
    3. What Fr. Terra's (not Terre) roll in it,
    4. Who is the scapegoat,
    5. Why do you refer to Kathleen Plumb, editor of The Four Marks?
    Your unsubstantiated bizarre accusations greatly undermine Cathinfo's credibility.
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #38 on: May 03, 2019, 10:26:29 PM »
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    • It is exactly as I said.  Fr. Kenneth Walker's mother is the sister to Kathleen Plumb.  The article was in the 4 Marks soon after his death.  Fr. Terre came from CA and was invited by Bishop Olmsted to be at FSSP.  This was in the new Indult church in South Phoenix. The information is not bizarre, which is your opinion. Your other opinion is that I gave you accusations, I did not.  I know what I read in her newspaper.  Her newspaper is mailed throughout the Nation. 
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #39 on: May 03, 2019, 10:50:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on May 03, 2019, 10:26:29 PM
    It is exactly as I said.  Fr. Kenneth Walker's mother is the sister to Kathleen Plumb.  The article was in the 4 Marks soon after his death.  Fr. Terre came from CA and was invited by Bishop Olmsted to be at FSSP.  This was in the new Indult church in South Phoenix. The information is not bizarre, which is your opinion. Your other opinion is that I gave you accusations, I did not.  I know what I read in her newspaper.  Her newspaper is mailed throughout the Nation.
    No,no,no That is not what you said . You cant just throw a red herring down and it be done . You said:
    Quote from: songbird on April 28, 2019, 08:28:50 PM
    Don't forget FSSP had Fr. Kenneth Walker shot 11 times, 
    had  meaning that the FSSP is responsible for having him shot you even called the murderer Gary Moran a scapegoat to further your claim 

    I agree with TheHun that is VERY bizarre and it does undermine the credibility of Cathinfo 



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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #40 on: May 03, 2019, 11:56:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on April 28, 2019, 08:28:50 PM
    Don't forget FSSP had Fr. Kenneth Walker shot 11 times, that never made the AZ Repugnick.  His mother had autopsy done.  His mother is the sister to Kathleen Plumb of the Four Marks newspaper.  The Four Marks reported this.  And don't forget about Fr. Terre.  If I am correct, Fr. Terre was not desired in CA and was invited to AZ and made the FSSP.  Isn't strange how one indigent, scape goat makes jail?
    Maybe the problem is in the syntax. Doesn't Songbird mean to say that Fr Walker FSSP was lost to the FSSP because he was shot 11 times? ANd not that FSSP had him done in. I did a web search and no article appeared say 11 times.
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    ANd the name is Fr Terra, not Terre.
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #41 on: May 04, 2019, 01:29:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on May 03, 2019, 10:26:29 PM
    It is exactly as I said.  Fr. Kenneth Walker's mother is the sister to Kathleen Plumb.  The article was in the 4 Marks soon after his death.  Fr. Terre came from CA and was invited by Bishop Olmsted to be at FSSP.  This was in the new Indult church in South Phoenix. The information is not bizarre, which is your opinion. Your other opinion is that I gave you accusations, I did not.  I know what I read in her newspaper.  Her newspaper is mailed throughout the Nation.
    You have a selective memory but read my post to refresh it and after answer my questions.
    In her e-mail sent to me Kathleen Plumb, editor of The Four Marks flatly denied that she would be the source of your information posted by you originally.
    Furthermore, that a serious accusation that FSSP had Fr. Walker shot 11 times. And bizarre. This would be a criminal case.
    Additionally, your forgot to tell us what was the result of the autopsy?
    Since Kathleen Plumb directly contradicts you, you can clear your name by quote exactly what her allegedly wrote in her newspaper.
    One of you is lying. That's simple.
    Finally, in the police report and court paper you could never find 11 shots.
    (I mentioned earlier that the pastor's name is Fr. Terra. And how to connect that to Fr. Terra? "And don't forget about Fr. Terre." you wrote.)
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #42 on: May 04, 2019, 10:19:56 AM »
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    • Source of the info is from Fr. Kenneth Walker's mother.  Fr. Walker was never buried in Phoenix but his body was given to Mom, sister of Kathleen.

    Why is it Hun? that you wish to call the episode bizarre, accusations?  Why do I get a feeling  that you are trying to blow the info away?  Do you have a truer story?  Let's here it.

    Kathleen Plumb is the Aunt of Fr. Kenneth Walker.  Do you not think that sisters communicate after a son/nephew has died?  Kathleen Plumb does not wish to have people like yourself to harm a traditional newspaper.  She is to smart for you Hun!  She too has been through death and pain in her family.

    I have a birds view of this issue of Fr. Walker, and you a Hun's view.  As for Fr. Terre, he was beaten to a pulp as one might say.  Both his hands were wrapped so much, could he say Mass, no.  His head so beaten, that he could not figure math and he left this area.  Where he is I do not know.

    We here in Phoenix, know of this subject and we know of at least 2 other new order priests over the years that had mysterious deaths.  This is not news, this is not just here, it  has happened to other priest, like Fr. Kutz.

    We here on this forum go beyond propaganda newspapers.  

    IMO, I see you Hun, as a troll.
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #43 on: May 04, 2019, 02:26:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on May 04, 2019, 10:19:56 AM
    Source of the info is from Fr. Kenneth Walker's mother.  Fr. Walker was never buried in Phoenix but his body was given to Mom, sister of Kathleen.

    Why is it Hun? that you wish to call the episode bizarre, accusations?  Why do I get a feeling  that you are trying to blow the info away?  Do you have a truer story?  Let's here it.

    Kathleen Plumb is the Aunt of Fr. Kenneth Walker.  Do you not think that sisters communicate after a son/nephew has died?  Kathleen Plumb does not wish to have people like yourself to harm a traditional newspaper.  She is to smart for you Hun!  She too has been through death and pain in her family.

    I have a birds view of this issue of Fr. Walker, and you a Hun's view.  As for Fr. Terre, he was beaten to a pulp as one might say.  Both his hands were wrapped so much, could he say Mass, no.  His head so beaten, that he could not figure math and he left this area.  Where he is I do not know.

    We here in Phoenix, know of this subject and we know of at least 2 other new order priests over the years that had mysterious deaths.  This is not news, this is not just here, it  has happened to other priest, like Fr. Kutz.

    We here on this forum go beyond propaganda newspapers.  

    IMO, I see you Hun, as a troll.
    Then you must think of me as a troll as well as I agree with TheHun 100% 
    Again you throw another red herring into the discussion. TheHun did not say or allude to the "episode" as bizarre. TheHun described your description as bizarre and I agree 100% . you also make the accusation that TheHun is in your words trying to "harm a traditional newspaper" and "blow the info away" both blatantly false.
    Then once again you state "we know of at least 2 other new order priests over the years that had mysterious deaths" with the word "other" you are alluding to Fr. Walker's death being mysterious . It was not
     
    Oh & BTW I AM in Phoenix and I do know the subject and I knew Fr. Walker 
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #44 on: May 04, 2019, 02:56:00 PM »
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    • Now if we can return to the original subject

    I learned today after first saturday Mass that last week some Priests quietly left the dining hall when Bishop Olmsted arrived and either went to their rooms or in the case of at least two went to the retreat chapel I have no idea which Priests did what but it does show us that not all the clergy of the SSPX are sheep  Or wolves in sheeps clothing  
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