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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Town Crier on April 27, 2019, 01:48:36 AM
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During the Priest retreat this week it seems the guest of honor was local Novus Ordo Bishop Thomas Olmsted. He even joined the Priests and SSPX Bishop for the mid-day divine office. He was also there for the social hour with drinks and appetizers. He was treated like a celebrity, all handshakes and smiles
I am surprised he didn't pose for selfies and sign autographs
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These measures are now transpiring worldwide by design.
The conciliar bishops understand the game that is being played, while Menzingen does not (or doesn’t care):
The more Rome gets them to interact with conciliarists, the more conciliar residue adheres to the SSPX clergy, while the collaboration becomes the new normal, with the faithful and clergy accustomed to it.
"But we must be patient. What is important is that there no longer be rejection in their hearts."
First, no more combat against modernism and the modernists.
Next, collaboration.
Finally, incorporation.
It is the conversion of the SSPX to conciliarism by praxis, and the process -which is primarily psychological- is all but complete.
The proof of the Society’s conversion?
That these bishops can waltz into SSPX venues as heroes, unchallenged by clergy or faithful:
Afterwards, it is not the conciliar bishop who rejoices within himself that he has been accepted as Catholic by Catholics, but the SSPX which rejoices to have been accepted as Catholic by the conciliarists.
Modernist Rome has won the war, and converted the SSPX after 25 years of subversive leadership has steered the whole ship away from Archbishop Lefebvre (who is nothing more to the SSPX now than an embarrassing mascot, and a disturbing reminder of what they used to be):
Soon, despite the sanitized docuмentary, and the "man of the Church" rebranding in the interim/transitional phase, the faithful and clergy will feel, in places they don't talk about at parties, that +Lefebvre deserved to be excommunicated.
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Please, please let a conciliar bishop visit the St. Paul, MN SSPX chapel.
I would single handedly set relations back ten years.
It would be worth him coming, just so I could do that.
Meanwhile, everything is transpiring according to the long-established plan.
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and the process -which is primarily psychological- is all but complete.
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Afterwards, it is not the conciliar bishop who rejoices within himself that he has been accepted as Catholic by Catholics, but the SSPX which rejoices to have been accepted as Catholic by the conciliarists.
Very painful to watch. And so many faithful are following right along. Arguing with the SSPX these days is what arguing with NO was 20+ years ago. The SSPX now uses the exact same arguments they used to teach us to rebut. And you are right, so much is based in psychological warfare. The NO has always used psychological arguments which the SSPX met with doctrine and Church teaching. Now the SSPX has descended into the psychological zone themselves. First step is familiarity, getting everyone to think the NO are all nice, misguided people who mean well. (and aren't dangerous at all! Or even if they are dangerous, we know better and we are special and we won't fall.) Next step, hype up what good we could do if only we would come into the Conciliar fold. The NO have been following this script forever, it's surreal to see it adopted by the SSPX.
We've been praying for the priests on retreat this week. This is a little stab in the heart. But why wouldn't Bishop Fellay take advantage of having a few dozen captive priests meet the local bishop? It's brilliant strategy and ought to be predictable by now.
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The Bishop was at a priests’ retreat; not at a school. That’s better. This bishop excommunicated a nun for allowing an abortion to take place at Catholic hospital. I don’t know if he ever worshipped with false religions. The SSPX priests should be able to correct any errors. After all we are to spread the gospel of Jesus.
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Soon the "bishop" will be ordaining "priests".
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Good point.
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I don't think it matters anymore which occasions or bishops are more or less dangerous. There is a clear pattern that in the spirit of conciliar good will and collaboration, the SSPX will invite or allow or host conciliar churchmen any chance they get. Anyone who disagrees with this approach will be branded as bad willed and mean, "uncharitable" and an obstruction to the alleged mass conversion of souls that is about to happen through the SSPX's most holy condescension.
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During the Priest retreat this week it seems the guest of honor was local Novus Ordo Bishop Thomas Olmsted. He even joined the Priests and SSPX Bishop for the mid-day divine office. He was also there for the social hour with drinks and appetizers. He was treated like a celebrity, all handshakes and smiles
I am surprised he didn't pose for selfies and sign autographs
I wouldn't bother to go to the event, however, if unknowingly I happen to be there when he shows up and he surprised me to shake my hands (of course everyone around me would be genuflecting and kissing his ring), I would just shake his hand and say "how you doin Tom". After all , he is just a layman, and his "pope" says to call him Frank. I'd do the same for anybody on the street that came and shook my hand by surprise.
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Neo-SSPXers...........
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The Bishop was at a priests’ retreat; not at a school. That’s better. This bishop excommunicated a nun for allowing an abortion to take place at Catholic hospital. I don’t know if he ever worshipped with false religions. The SSPX priests should be able to correct any errors. After all we are to spread the gospel of Jesus.
How is it better ?
He has bypassed any resistance of the faithful and gone straight to those who run the schools ,give the sermons and now promote the "one big happy family " agenda . Tell me as I assume you have been going to SSPX for some time, When was the last time you heard a sermon on the errors of Vatican II or the avoidance of false trad Masses ? Its been awhile
Furthermore,now that the cat is out of the bag If we do hear of this visit they are going to put a huge spin on it just like Fr. Stafki did with the "marriage treaty" Not one word will be said on the"one big happy family " agenda and any critics of the visit will be vilified or mocked
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How is it better ?
He has bypassed any resistance of the faithful and gone straight to those who run the schools ,give the sermons and now promote the "one big happy family " agenda . Tell me as I assume you have been going to SSPX for some time, When was the last time you heard a sermon on the errors of Vatican II or the avoidance of false trad Masses ? Its been awhile
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Viva Cristo Rey: You have some things twisted. Bishop Olmsted was supposed to be in charge of a so-called "catholic hospital". True, but he did not take charge. The handbook of services for years gave services of contraceptives to sterilization. When Olmsted came on the services increased to abortion and there were at least 2-3 pages stating how to go about paper work wise to have an abortion. That is how the story starts, then a woman has an abortion and Olmsted points the finger at her when Olmsted was the deliverer of services. He has charge over institutions that claim or take a name of "Catholic" to it.
Olmsted is very dangerous how he twists stories to make him look good. Be careful, for the next thing is how Fr. Terre and Fr. Kenneth Walker died. Walker died of 11 gun shots and Terre should have died. One scape goat. IMO it was an inside job.
Olmsted is not Pro-life. No life comes to the altar and Catholic Charities and other programs hide Planned Parenthood. It is well known, via Stephanie Block of monies going to abortion via Grants.
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The Phoenix New Times, Phoenix's main commie rag got bent out of shape with Bp. Olmsted for expelling the ADL's "Sensitivity Training" including their "Holocuaust" spiel from the diocesan schools. See: https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/bishop-thomas-olmsted-expels-the-adls-sensitivity-training-from-catholic-schools-6460240 (https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/bishop-thomas-olmsted-expels-the-adls-sensitivity-training-from-catholic-schools-6460240https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/bishop-thomas-olmsted-expels-the-adls-sensitivity-training-from-catholic-schools-6460240)
Olmsted is a real mixed bag. When he rode into town to replace the extremely liberal and notorious Bp. Thomas J. O'Brien who had been found guilty of a fatal hit and run many saw him as the great proverbial knight in shining armor.
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What you say is true and many people continue to see him as such. IMO he his even more dangerous than O'Brien, he is secretive, secret society.
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I really hope this wakes up the parishioners of Our Lady of Sorrows
Ever since the building of the new church was announced we have been lied to, manipulated and stolen from
and still the faithful of Our Lady of Sorrows continue with their excuses , no matter where the issue comes from District, Rome, Phoenix diocese or our own Priory its excuse after excuse after excuse
"Oh it was just Fr. R but district and such-n-such priests are going to fix it "
"At least we are not like that FSSP church downtown their under diocese control "
"The SSPX wont cave in to Rome ,The SSPX wont change"
on and on and on. Well what say you now ? Tell us now with the visit and schmoozing with Bishop Olmsted how there is a difference between SSPX and FSSP ?
Except maybe they have a nicer church
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Please, please let a conciliar bishop visit the St. Paul, MN SSPX chapel.
I would single handedly set relations back ten years.
It would be worth him coming, just so I could do that.
Meanwhile, everything is transpiring according to the long-established plan.
Yea, we should bringeth him forth to your chapel !
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Riding in a Lincoln limo, adorned with coffee cake and sweets!
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You are all right. Thank you. I was wrong.
Just another pseudo bishop.
Soon many will join the 2 percent going to Latin mass who are pro abortion and pro sodomy.
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You are all right. Thank you. I was wrong.
Just another pseudo bishop.
Soon many will join the 2 percent going to Latin mass who are pro abortion and pro sodomy.
It is not about being right or wrong
it is about becoming informed and sharing that knowledge with others who post here and parishioners who you can trust.
The fact is we as parishioners of Our Lady of Sorrows have been used & abused . I don't know what else you would call it . I'll say one thing , I might not have any faith in the validity of their Mass but there hasn't been any of this garbage going on at the FSSP church here . the same goes for the CMRI chapel and I know plenty of people who go to both places as I am sure you do .
We have an obligation to expose the truth Vivo Cristo Rey whether it is a visiting Novus Ordo Bh. they want to keep a secret or the thousands of dollars spent on athletic fields before they replace the funds they misappropriated
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Don't forget FSSP had Fr. Kenneth Walker shot 11 times, that never made the AZ Repugnick. His mother had autopsy done. His mother is the sister to Kathleen Plumb of the Four Marks newspaper. The Four Marks reported this. And don't forget about Fr. Terre. If I am correct, Fr. Terre was not desired in CA and was invited to AZ and made the FSSP. Isn't strange how one indigent, scape goat makes jail?
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When was the last time you heard a sermon on the errors of Vatican II or the avoidance of false trad Masses ? Its been awhile.
2019.
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Please, please let a conciliar bishop visit the St. Paul, MN SSPX chapel.
I would single handedly set relations back ten years.
It would be worth him coming, just so I could do that.
Meanwhile, everything is transpiring according to the long-established plan.
Ah, they'll just look better for kicking you out ... just like they kicked Bishop Williamson out: "See we don't tolerate people like this among our ranks." Both sides are in on this; it's a conspiracy. And they're not going to let some rebel within their ranks stand in the way. So out you go.
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Now, we have a generation of Traditional Catholics who mostly were not even alive when Vatican II happened and the major battles between the SSPX and Rome took place; it's been 30 years since the consecrations. So many of them don't even get "what all the fuss is about". That's why the time is ripe for the absorption.
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How is it better ?
He has bypassed any resistance of the faithful and gone straight to those who run the schools ,give the sermons and now promote the "one big happy family " agenda . Tell me as I assume you have been going to SSPX for some time, When was the last time you heard a sermon on the errors of Vatican II or the avoidance of false trad Masses ? Its been awhile
Furthermore,now that the cat is out of the bag If we do hear of this visit they are going to put a huge spin on it just like Fr. Stafki did with the "marriage treaty" Not one word will be said on the"one big happy family " agenda and any critics of the visit will be vilified or mocked
What was the reaction of the faithful in the parish hall to this event?
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Who was the SSPX bishop who was there for this retreat?
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It was Bishop Fellay.
https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/bishop-fellay-preaches-spring-priests-retreat-phoenix-47355
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"... Fr. Kenneth Walker shot 11 times, ..."
Source?
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It was Bishop Fellay.
https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/bishop-fellay-preaches-spring-priests-retreat-phoenix-47355
I should have known, thanks for the info.
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Source: The Four Marks newspaper, editor Kathleen Plumb Box 58, Ballantine, MT 59006 www.FourMarks.com
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Bishop Olmsted is a friend to all, so of course he would want to visit the SSPX to carry on the "tradition" of ecuмenism. :D
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Now, we have a generation of Traditional Catholics who mostly were not even alive when Vatican II happened and the major battles between the SSPX and Rome took place; it's been 30 years since the consecrations. So many of them don't even get "what all the fuss is about". That's why the time is ripe for the absorption.
This is true. But the problem isn't just with the young. We have found that many in the older generations have tunnel vision. They have been so primed to be wary of a deal that no matter what arguments are made, no matter what points are made, or changes highlighted, as long as they can fall back on "Well, Bishop Fellay didn't sign the deal", all is settled in their minds. It is the ace in the hole, the last word. It takes critical thinking to realize there's more than one way to skin the cat.
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Quote from: Town Crier on April 27, 2019, 10:28:06 AM (https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/our-lady-of-sorrows-phoenix-and-guest-bishop-olmsted/msg651711/#msg651711)
When was the last time you heard a sermon on the errors of Vatican II or the avoidance of false trad Masses ? Its been awhile.
2019.
2019? (https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/53946403.jpg) ;)
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What was the reaction of the faithful in the parish hall to this event?
They were unaware of the visit or the red carpet treatment he received.Its been hushed up or if asked directly it is down played as "no big deal..next subject" That is why places like Cathinfo are so important where the truth can be exposed in safety
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They were unaware of the visit or the red carpet treatment he received.Its been hushed up or if asked directly it is down played as "no big deal..next subject" That is why places like Cathinfo are so important where the truth can be exposed in safety
Fr. Jurgen Wegner covertly goes around the country meeting & making appointments with Conciliar bishops.
As in the Walton priory visit by the anti-pro-life, Bp. Foys, Fr. Wegner had met with him two weeks prior.
In this case, the Walton prior, Fr. Daniel Muscha played dumb when Foys showed up for a tour of the SSPX Walton school.
He claimed surprise to his concerned faithful, and sought their sympathy for being unable to refuse a visit from their "good bishop".
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In business, this is called a staged performance, otherwise known as a "dog & pony act".
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I’m surprised that it wasn’t published in the article. Look, the conciliar church loves us now! Pope Francis says we’re Catholic! Look!
I thought they would have loved to parade it around.
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I’m surprised that it wasn’t published in the article. Look, the conciliar church loves us now! Pope Francis says we’re Catholic! Look!
I thought they would have loved to parade it around.
Trads aren't the right audience for that or they will tip their hand too much and prove those nasty CathInfo rumors true. They will save this parade for conservative audiences who, God bless them, eat this stuff up.
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Trads aren't the right audience for that or they will tip their hand too much and prove those nasty CathInfo rumors true. They will save this parade for conservative audiences who, God bless them, eat this stuff up.
absolutely right :cheers:
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Don't forget FSSP had Fr. Kenneth Walker shot 11 times, that never made the AZ Repugnick. His mother had autopsy done. His mother is the sister to Kathleen Plumb of the Four Marks newspaper. The Four Marks reported this. And don't forget about Fr. Terre. If I am correct, Fr. Terre was not desired in CA and was invited to AZ and made the FSSP. Isn't strange how one indigent, scape goat makes jail?
Source?
Source: The Four Marks newspaper, editor Kathleen Plumb Box 58, Ballantine, MT 59006 www.FourMarks.com
Kathleen Plumb flatly denied to be the source of your bizarre information.
Therefore, please provide credible source(s) for
1. FSSP had Fr. Walker shot 11 times,
2. What was autopsy result,
3. What Fr. Terra's (not Terre) roll in it,
4. Who is the scapegoat,
5. Why do you refer to Kathleen Plumb, editor of The Four Marks?
Your unsubstantiated bizarre accusations greatly undermine Cathinfo's credibility.
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It is exactly as I said. Fr. Kenneth Walker's mother is the sister to Kathleen Plumb. The article was in the 4 Marks soon after his death. Fr. Terre came from CA and was invited by Bishop Olmsted to be at FSSP. This was in the new Indult church in South Phoenix. The information is not bizarre, which is your opinion. Your other opinion is that I gave you accusations, I did not. I know what I read in her newspaper. Her newspaper is mailed throughout the Nation.
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It is exactly as I said. Fr. Kenneth Walker's mother is the sister to Kathleen Plumb. The article was in the 4 Marks soon after his death. Fr. Terre came from CA and was invited by Bishop Olmsted to be at FSSP. This was in the new Indult church in South Phoenix. The information is not bizarre, which is your opinion. Your other opinion is that I gave you accusations, I did not. I know what I read in her newspaper. Her newspaper is mailed throughout the Nation.
No,no,no That is not what you said . You cant just throw a red herring down and it be done . You said:
Don't forget FSSP had Fr. Kenneth Walker shot 11 times,
had meaning that the FSSP is responsible for having him shot you even called the murderer Gary Moran a scapegoat to further your claim
I agree with TheHun that is VERY bizarre and it does undermine the credibility of Cathinfo
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Don't forget FSSP had Fr. Kenneth Walker shot 11 times, that never made the AZ Repugnick. His mother had autopsy done. His mother is the sister to Kathleen Plumb of the Four Marks newspaper. The Four Marks reported this. And don't forget about Fr. Terre. If I am correct, Fr. Terre was not desired in CA and was invited to AZ and made the FSSP. Isn't strange how one indigent, scape goat makes jail?
Maybe the problem is in the syntax. Doesn't Songbird mean to say that Fr Walker FSSP was lost to the FSSP because he was shot 11 times? ANd not that FSSP had him done in. I did a web search and no article appeared say 11 times.
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ANd the name is Fr Terra, not Terre.
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It is exactly as I said. Fr. Kenneth Walker's mother is the sister to Kathleen Plumb. The article was in the 4 Marks soon after his death. Fr. Terre came from CA and was invited by Bishop Olmsted to be at FSSP. This was in the new Indult church in South Phoenix. The information is not bizarre, which is your opinion. Your other opinion is that I gave you accusations, I did not. I know what I read in her newspaper. Her newspaper is mailed throughout the Nation.
You have a selective memory but read my post to refresh it and after answer my questions.
In her e-mail sent to me Kathleen Plumb, editor of The Four Marks flatly denied that she would be the source of your information posted by you originally.
Furthermore, that a serious accusation that FSSP had Fr. Walker shot 11 times. And bizarre. This would be a criminal case.
Additionally, your forgot to tell us what was the result of the autopsy?
Since Kathleen Plumb directly contradicts you, you can clear your name by quote exactly what her allegedly wrote in her newspaper.
One of you is lying. That's simple.
Finally, in the police report and court paper you could never find 11 shots.
(I mentioned earlier that the pastor's name is Fr. Terra. And how to connect that to Fr. Terra? "And don't forget about Fr. Terre." you wrote.)
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Source of the info is from Fr. Kenneth Walker's mother. Fr. Walker was never buried in Phoenix but his body was given to Mom, sister of Kathleen.
Why is it Hun? that you wish to call the episode bizarre, accusations? Why do I get a feeling that you are trying to blow the info away? Do you have a truer story? Let's here it.
Kathleen Plumb is the Aunt of Fr. Kenneth Walker. Do you not think that sisters communicate after a son/nephew has died? Kathleen Plumb does not wish to have people like yourself to harm a traditional newspaper. She is to smart for you Hun! She too has been through death and pain in her family.
I have a birds view of this issue of Fr. Walker, and you a Hun's view. As for Fr. Terre, he was beaten to a pulp as one might say. Both his hands were wrapped so much, could he say Mass, no. His head so beaten, that he could not figure math and he left this area. Where he is I do not know.
We here in Phoenix, know of this subject and we know of at least 2 other new order priests over the years that had mysterious deaths. This is not news, this is not just here, it has happened to other priest, like Fr. Kutz.
We here on this forum go beyond propaganda newspapers.
IMO, I see you Hun, as a troll.
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Source of the info is from Fr. Kenneth Walker's mother. Fr. Walker was never buried in Phoenix but his body was given to Mom, sister of Kathleen.
Why is it Hun? that you wish to call the episode bizarre, accusations? Why do I get a feeling that you are trying to blow the info away? Do you have a truer story? Let's here it.
Kathleen Plumb is the Aunt of Fr. Kenneth Walker. Do you not think that sisters communicate after a son/nephew has died? Kathleen Plumb does not wish to have people like yourself to harm a traditional newspaper. She is to smart for you Hun! She too has been through death and pain in her family.
I have a birds view of this issue of Fr. Walker, and you a Hun's view. As for Fr. Terre, he was beaten to a pulp as one might say. Both his hands were wrapped so much, could he say Mass, no. His head so beaten, that he could not figure math and he left this area. Where he is I do not know.
We here in Phoenix, know of this subject and we know of at least 2 other new order priests over the years that had mysterious deaths. This is not news, this is not just here, it has happened to other priest, like Fr. Kutz.
We here on this forum go beyond propaganda newspapers.
IMO, I see you Hun, as a troll.
Then you must think of me as a troll as well as I agree with TheHun 100%
Again you throw another red herring into the discussion. TheHun did not say or allude to the "episode" as bizarre. TheHun described your description as bizarre and I agree 100% . you also make the accusation that TheHun is in your words trying to "harm a traditional newspaper" and "blow the info away" both blatantly false.
Then once again you state "we know of at least 2 other new order priests over the years that had mysterious deaths" with the word "other" you are alluding to Fr. Walker's death being mysterious . It was not
Oh & BTW I AM in Phoenix and I do know the subject and I knew Fr. Walker
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Now if we can return to the original subject
I learned today after first saturday Mass that last week some Priests quietly left the dining hall when Bishop Olmsted arrived and either went to their rooms or in the case of at least two went to the retreat chapel I have no idea which Priests did what but it does show us that not all the clergy of the SSPX are sheep Or wolves in sheeps clothing
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Now if we can return to the original subject
I learned today after first saturday Mass that last week some Priests quietly left the dining hall when Bishop Olmsted arrived and either went to their rooms or in the case of at least two went to the retreat chapel I have no idea which Priests did what but it does show us that not all the clergy of the SSPX are sheep Or wolves in sheeps clothing
This is good news. I know of a few are still solid and good.
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That is good to hear. :pray:
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Source of the info is from Fr. Kenneth Walker's mother. Fr. Walker was never buried in Phoenix but his body was given to Mom, sister of Kathleen.
Why is it Hun? that you wish to call the episode bizarre, accusations? Why do I get a feeling that you are trying to blow the info away? Do you have a truer story? Let's here it.
Kathleen Plumb is the Aunt of Fr. Kenneth Walker. Do you not think that sisters communicate after a son/nephew has died? Kathleen Plumb does not wish to have people like yourself to harm a traditional newspaper. She is to smart for you Hun! She too has been through death and pain in her family.
I have a birds view of this issue of Fr. Walker, and you a Hun's view. As for Fr. Terre, he was beaten to a pulp as one might say. Both his hands were wrapped so much, could he say Mass, no. His head so beaten, that he could not figure math and he left this area. Where he is I do not know.
We here in Phoenix, know of this subject and we know of at least 2 other new order priests over the years that had mysterious deaths. This is not news, this is not just here, it has happened to other priest, like Fr. Kutz.
We here on this forum go beyond propaganda newspapers.
IMO, I see you Hun, as a troll.
Dear songbird:
I cant' help but wonder about of your state of mind and intention.
First bizarre thing was trying to connect Fr. Walker death to the bishop visit at OLOS Phoenix.
Second even more bizarre thing was from you to accuse FSSP of Fr. Walker's assassination by 11 shots what would be a criminal case even today and should be investigated by law enforcement authorities.
When I asked for supporting information you never gave one.
You posted once: "Source: The Four Marks newspaper, editor Kathleen Plumb Box 58, Ballantine, MT 59006 www.FourMarks.com"
Later you posted: "Source of the info is form Fr. Kenneth Walker's mother."
So which one?
I contacted directly Kathleen Plum, editor of The Four Marks newspaper and on May 2, 2019 she replied to me as follows:
"Cathinfo is a blog, and blogs are only as good as the rules they use for their comments. It is my experience that cathinfo is particularly disreputable. It is no surprise if they may give my name and my paper as the source, and try to smear me. But, The Four Marks is obviously not the source of the statement below."
In my last comment I wrote you that one of you is lying. And that's not good.
Finally, I want to disclose that I disagree with FSSP.
(As a side note: After you were corrected several times, would you learn the pastor's correct name as Father Terra?)
You say: "We here in Phoenix, know of this subject ..."
BTW, I've been living in Phoenix for long and I know more than you think but this is not the subject.
You say: "IMO, I see you Hun, as a troll."
Dear songbird. I don't want to label you anyway because it's done by your actions, however you shouldn't post on Cathinfo.
This was my last comment on this issue.
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No more replies. I just thought you might like some truth. There was no intention on my side to smear a traditional newspaper, and that is very understood in my posts. I have very high regards for Kathleen Plumb, but there are doubts to Hun's intentions.
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Well, Hun, Birds of a feather stick together. Kathleen and I had a nice chat, like girls do. Kathleen is such a wise lady, she says, oh, I think I know this person. Oh, he likes to answer his own letters. So, in this case, Hun like to answer his own posts. How clever!
Well, Hun, sure is nice knowing people. And there's nothing like the whole truth and nothing but the truth. For those wo think the info about Fr. Kenneth Walker with 11 shots is probable, fine and for those who want to follow the AZ Repugnent fine.
I just know the truth and I do think that it is to make note of. Besides, FSSP is of the dioceses and we know what to expect of them, Marxism. It sure is good to be in the know, to know your foe. Tweet, Tweet.
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Kathleen is such a wise lady, ...
Kathleen the "wise lady" e-mailed:
"It is my experience that cathinfo is particularly disreputable."
"Since your reference is cathinfo, which I know to be at the very least irresponsible ..."
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I have very high regards for Kathleen Plumb, ...
Kathleen Plumb, editor of The Four Marks e-mailed: "The Four Marks is obviously not the source ..."
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Well, Hun, Birds of a feather stick together. Kathleen and I had a nice chat, like girls do. Kathleen is such a wise lady, she says, oh, I think I know this person. Oh, he likes to answer his own letters. So, in this case, Hun like to answer his own posts. How clever!
Well, Hun, sure is nice knowing people. And there's nothing like the whole truth and nothing but the truth. For those wo think the info about Fr. Kenneth Walker with 11 shots is probable, fine and for those who want to follow the AZ Repugnent fine.
I just know the truth and I do think that it is to make note of. Besides, FSSP is of the dioceses and we know what to expect of them, Marxism. It sure is good to be in the know, to know your foe. Tweet, Tweet.
Songbird, Are you saying that the FSSP arranged for Fr Kenneth Walker to be αssαssιnαtҽd. How many shots were inflicted is not the major question. But whether or not you are accusing FSSP or not?
Or is just a matter of poor expression, and now you're upset at being challenged. You certainly need to be challenged over your statement that FSSP had Father shot. This is made worse by your saying that
Besides, FSSP is of the dioceses and we know what to expect of them, Marxism.
You really need to be more careful as to how you express yourself.
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Kathleen the "wise lady" e-mailed:
"It is my experience that cathinfo is particularly disreputable."
"Since your reference is cathinfo, which I know to be at the very least irresponsible ..."
Why do you emphasize the above information? It doesn't seem relevant, if the lady in question actually wrote it. It's only one person on Cath Info who is making the accusation, so why condemn the whole forum? I looked up the Four Marks website, and it appears to be sedevacantist. Some sedevacantists have a huge problem with Cath Info.
That being said, I don't believe that the FSSP had Fr. Walker shot. It doesn't seem plausible. The forum member Songbird says that Fr. Walker's mother believes this, but no proof is given at all.
I do recall that Fr. Walker was shot multiple times, and the official story seemed odd. I followed the story closely at the time, and the reported shooter, Gary Moran, was in a wheelchair when he made his first court appearance after his arrest. I couldn't figure out how he managed to overpower two priests.
It would be good if Songbird could give more evidence, but none has actually been given so far. Therefore, it's easy to dismiss.
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Perhaps, there are still some at OLS who remember many years ago when Father Finnegan was the pastor there. (That was before he left and started his own independent chapel in Phoenix.) The son of the chapel's secretary had mental problems and led the police on a long wild police chase that ended up in the parking lot of OLS. The young man went into the priory and got the 22 rifle of an assistant priest. When he came back outside the authorities shot him dead.
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2019.
2019? (https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/53946403.jpg) ;)
We hear about it regularly. In fact, we had an entire several hour session ("Adult Catechism") about the errors of Vatican II just last weekend. They even posted follow up information on it in the bulletin.
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They have 5:45am daily Mass? That is cool.
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As Catholics we are to spread the gospel of Jesus. Even to bishops. We can be charitable without watering down our faith.
I thank God for the SSPX for making my faith stronger. Yes, adult catechism and the St Ignatius Silent retreat really has helped me with my faith.
And maybe the SSPX Priest retreat helped Bishop Olmsted.
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I have talked to several parishioners at Our Lady of Sorrows who are totally unaware that Bp. Olmsted was invited to speak at the priest's retreat.
Why did the prior keep this visit quiet and not tell the parish it was happening?
Anyone from Phoenix care to comment?
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They were unaware of the visit or the red carpet treatment he received.Its been hushed up or if asked directly it is down played as "no big deal..next subject" That is why places like Cathinfo are so important where the truth can be exposed in safety
I can verify this is true.
I am shocked at the fact that several parishioners are not aware it even happened.
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Kathleen the "wise lady" e-mailed:
"It is my experience that cathinfo is particularly disreputable."
"Since your reference is cathinfo, which I know to be at the very least irresponsible ..."
If she had experience, she'd know that this is not a "blog" -- as she claimed --- but a forum.
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Where is Town Crier to tell us more?
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At first glance at your now rightly deleted posts one might think you are just trying to be funny, sort of like a undisciplined child not realizing he is nether funny nor appreciated.
Do you really think it was funny to make comments concerning the construction of OUR church when so many people put their hard earned money into it only to be swindled? Do you really think it is appropriate to sarcastically ridicule the parishioners that question the barren novus ordo warehouse like interior ?
You call names and make accusations when I question the construction of another new SSPX church when OLOS is nowhere near completion YET I see no facts or even ideas to back up dismissal of me only failed juvenile humor and sarcasm. Shame on you.