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Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
« on: April 27, 2019, 01:48:36 AM »
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  • During the Priest retreat this week it seems the guest of honor was local Novus Ordo Bishop Thomas Olmsted. He even joined the Priests and SSPX Bishop for the mid-day divine office. He was also there for the social hour with drinks and appetizers. He was treated like a celebrity, all handshakes and smiles
    I am surprised he didn't pose for selfies and sign autographs

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #1 on: April 27, 2019, 05:39:34 AM »
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  • These measures are now transpiring worldwide by design.

    The conciliar bishops understand the game that is being played, while Menzingen does not (or doesn’t care):

    The more Rome gets them to interact with conciliarists, the more conciliar residue adheres to the SSPX clergy, while the collaboration becomes the new normal, with the faithful and clergy accustomed to it.

    "But we must be patient.  What is important is that there no longer be rejection in their hearts."

    First, no more combat against modernism and the modernists.

    Next, collaboration.

    Finally, incorporation.

    It is the conversion of the SSPX to conciliarism by praxis, and the process -which is primarily psychological- is all but complete.

    The proof of the Society’s conversion?

    That these bishops can waltz into SSPX venues as heroes, unchallenged by clergy or faithful:

    Afterwards, it is not the conciliar bishop who rejoices within himself that he has been accepted as Catholic by Catholics, but the SSPX which rejoices to have been accepted as Catholic by the conciliarists.

    Modernist Rome has won the war, and converted the SSPX after 25 years of subversive leadership has steered the whole ship away from Archbishop Lefebvre (who is nothing more to the SSPX now than an embarrassing mascot, and a disturbing reminder of what they used to be):

    Soon, despite the sanitized documentary, and the "man of the Church" rebranding in the interim/transitional phase, the faithful and clergy will feel, in places they don't talk about at parties, that +Lefebvre deserved to be excommunicated.


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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #2 on: April 27, 2019, 05:57:49 AM »
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  • Please, please let a conciliar bishop visit the St. Paul, MN SSPX chapel.

    I would single handedly set relations back ten years.

    It would be worth him coming, just so I could do that.

    Meanwhile, everything is transpiring according to the long-established plan.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #3 on: April 27, 2019, 06:14:03 AM »
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  • and the process -which is primarily psychological- is all but complete.

    ...

    Afterwards, it is not the conciliar bishop who rejoices within himself that he has been accepted as Catholic by Catholics, but the SSPX which rejoices to have been accepted as Catholic by the conciliarists.


    Very painful to watch. And so many faithful are following right along. Arguing with the SSPX these days is what arguing with NO was 20+ years ago. The SSPX now uses the exact same arguments they used to teach us to rebut. And you are right, so much is based in psychological warfare. The NO has always used psychological arguments which the SSPX met with doctrine and Church teaching. Now the SSPX has descended into the psychological zone themselves. First step is familiarity, getting everyone to think the NO are all nice, misguided people who mean well. (and aren't dangerous at all! Or even if they are dangerous, we know better and we are special and we won't fall.) Next step, hype up what good we could do if only we would come into the Conciliar fold. The NO have been following this script forever, it's surreal to see it adopted by the SSPX.

    We've been praying for the priests on retreat this week. This is a little stab in the heart. But why wouldn't Bishop Fellay take advantage of having a few dozen captive priests meet the local bishop? It's brilliant strategy and ought to be predictable by now.

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #4 on: April 27, 2019, 06:58:50 AM »
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  • The Bishop was at a priests’ retreat; not at a school.   That’s better. This bishop excommunicated a nun for allowing an abortion to take place at Catholic hospital.  I don’t know if he ever worshipped with false religions.  The SSPX priests should be able to correct any errors.  After all we are to spread the gospel of Jesus.  
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)


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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #5 on: April 27, 2019, 07:08:10 AM »
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  • Soon the "bishop" will be ordaining "priests".
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #6 on: April 27, 2019, 07:14:19 AM »
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  • Good point.   
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #7 on: April 27, 2019, 08:03:01 AM »
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  • I don't think it matters anymore which occasions or bishops are more or less dangerous. There is a clear pattern that in the spirit of conciliar good will and collaboration, the SSPX will invite or allow or host conciliar churchmen any chance they get. Anyone who disagrees with this approach will be branded as bad willed and mean, "uncharitable" and an obstruction to the alleged mass conversion of souls that is about to happen through the SSPX's most holy condescension.
     


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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #8 on: April 27, 2019, 09:31:07 AM »
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  • During the Priest retreat this week it seems the guest of honor was local Novus Ordo Bishop Thomas Olmsted. He even joined the Priests and SSPX Bishop for the mid-day divine office. He was also there for the social hour with drinks and appetizers. He was treated like a celebrity, all handshakes and smiles
    I am surprised he didn't pose for selfies and sign autographs
    I wouldn't bother to go to the event, however, if unknowingly I happen to be there when he shows up and he surprised me to shake my hands (of course everyone around me would be genuflecting and kissing his ring), I would just shake his hand and say "how you doin Tom". After all , he is just a layman, and his "pope" says to call him Frank. I'd do the same for anybody on the street that came and shook my hand by surprise.
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #9 on: April 27, 2019, 09:36:43 AM »
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  • Neo-SSPXers...........



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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #10 on: April 27, 2019, 10:28:06 AM »
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  • The Bishop was at a priests’ retreat; not at a school.   That’s better. This bishop excommunicated a nun for allowing an abortion to take place at Catholic hospital.  I don’t know if he ever worshipped with false religions.  The SSPX priests should be able to correct any errors.  After all we are to spread the gospel of Jesus.  
    How is it better ?
    He has bypassed any resistance of the faithful and gone straight to those who run the schools ,give the sermons and now promote the "one big happy family " agenda . Tell me as I assume you have been going to SSPX for some time, When was the last time you heard a sermon on the errors of Vatican II or the avoidance of false trad Masses ? Its been awhile

    Furthermore,now that the cat is out of the bag If we do hear of this visit they are going to put a huge spin on it just like Fr. Stafki did with the "marriage treaty" Not one word will be said on the"one big happy family " agenda and any critics of the visit will be vilified or mocked      


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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #11 on: April 27, 2019, 10:39:45 AM »
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  • How is it better ?
    He has bypassed any resistance of the faithful and gone straight to those who run the schools ,give the sermons and now promote the "one big happy family " agenda . Tell me as I assume you have been going to SSPX for some time, When was the last time you heard a sermon on the errors of Vatican II or the avoidance of false trad Masses ? Its been awhile
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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #12 on: April 27, 2019, 11:00:45 AM »
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  • Viva Cristo Rey:  You have some things twisted.  Bishop Olmsted was supposed to be in charge of a so-called "catholic hospital".  True, but he did not take charge.  The handbook of services for years gave services of contraceptives to sterilization.  When Olmsted came on the services increased to abortion and there were at least 2-3 pages stating how to go about paper work wise to have an abortion.  That is how the story starts, then a woman has an abortion and Olmsted points the finger at her when Olmsted was the deliverer of services.  He has charge over institutions that claim or take a name of "Catholic" to it.

    Olmsted is very dangerous how he twists stories to make him look good.  Be careful, for the next thing is how Fr. Terre and Fr. Kenneth Walker died.  Walker died of 11 gun shots and Terre should have died.  One scape goat.  IMO it was an inside job.

    Olmsted is not Pro-life.  No life comes to the altar and Catholic Charities and other programs hide Planned Parenthood.  It is well known, via Stephanie Block of monies going to abortion via Grants.

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #13 on: April 27, 2019, 02:13:22 PM »
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  • The Phoenix New Times, Phoenix's main commie rag got bent out of shape with Bp. Olmsted for expelling the ADL's "Sensitivity Training" including their "Holocuaust" spiel from the diocesan schools.  See: https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/bishop-thomas-olmsted-expels-the-adls-sensitivity-training-from-catholic-schools-6460240

    Olmsted is a real mixed bag.  When he rode into town to replace the extremely liberal and notorious  Bp. Thomas J. O'Brien who had been found guilty of a fatal hit and run many saw him as the great proverbial knight in shining armor.

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    Re: Our Lady Of Sorrows Phoenix and guest Bishop Olmsted
    « Reply #14 on: April 27, 2019, 02:17:50 PM »
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  • What you say is true and many people continue to see him as such.  IMO he his even more dangerous than O'Brien, he is secretive, secret society.

     

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