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Orthodox Priest One Step From Resistance
« on: April 20, 2019, 04:56:48 PM »
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    • Wouldn’t take much to convert this one!

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    Re: Orthodox Priest One Step From Resistance
    « Reply #1 on: April 20, 2019, 05:02:22 PM »
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    • I've listened to this, and I also listened to all of his podcast lectures on Orthodoxy vs Roman Catholicism when I was trying to decide whether I was going to convert to Catholicism or to EO. 

    What is it that you think would make him easy to convert?
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    Re: Orthodox Priest One Step From Resistance
    « Reply #2 on: April 20, 2019, 05:17:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on April 20, 2019, 05:02:22 PM
    I've listened to this, and I also listened to all of his podcast lectures on Orthodoxy vs Roman Catholicism when I was trying to decide whether I was going to convert to Catholicism or to EO.

    What is it that you think would make him easy to convert?

    Hello Byzcat-

    He seems very much scandalized by everything you and I would label “conciliarism” (and rightly so).

    This implies a good disposition.

    A good disposition always leaves “cracks in the armor” of schism and heresy.

    This priest made the video to promote orthodoxy, but unwittingly, he revealed quite a bit more than he was conscious of:

    Were the Church to return to her liturgical and ascetical past, this priest would be proportionately brought closer.

    What would remain as barriers would be specific doctrinal objections which, if I am correct about his good disposition, could be overcome with a lucid expose of Catholic teaching on those subjects (ie., presumably, he is thus far self-taught in these matters).

    I will be reaching out to him, and if any would pray for his conversion, it would redound to all our benefits.
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Orthodox Priest One Step From Resistance
    « Reply #3 on: April 20, 2019, 07:08:34 PM »
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    • I never realized that they didn’t believe in the dogma of Purgatory. He missed that the Orthodox believe in divorce and remarriage and that they deny the dogma of the Filioque.

    He didn’t strike me as one who would be easy to convert.
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    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Orthodox Priest One Step From Resistance
    « Reply #4 on: April 20, 2019, 07:17:50 PM »
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    • He dislikes the changes of Vatican 2, but he dislikes them in the sense that they diverged Catholicism further from Orthodoxy in his view. He seems a pretty staunch Orthodox to me. Nevertheless I'll pray for his conversion. 
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    Re: Orthodox Priest One Step From Resistance
    « Reply #5 on: April 20, 2019, 09:41:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on April 20, 2019, 07:17:50 PM
    He dislikes the changes of Vatican 2, but he dislikes them in the sense that they diverged Catholicism further from Orthodoxy in his view. He seems a pretty staunch Orthodox to me. Nevertheless I'll pray for his conversion.
    I don't know many people who aren't Novus Ordo Catholics who really like Vatican II.  Some Protestants like the fact that it seems to have softened up on Protestants, but they usually don't like that it also seems to have softened on false religions.
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    Re: Orthodox Priest One Step From Resistance
    « Reply #6 on: April 20, 2019, 09:41:36 PM »
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    • I've known Orthodox priests who held Protestants in total contempt ... but at the same time had absolutely no love for Catholics either.  Being against the Vatican II modernizations does not a Catholic make.
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    Re: Orthodox Priest One Step From Resistance
    « Reply #7 on: April 20, 2019, 10:31:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 20, 2019, 09:41:36 PM
    I've known Orthodox priests who held Protestants in total contempt ... but at the same time had absolutely no love for Catholics either.  Being against the Vatican II modernizations does not a Catholic make.
    I've listened to this priest's podcasts on Roman Catholicism.  He doesn't come off as "hostile", he says some EOs exaggerate the differences between EO and RCC, but he also definitely has doctrinal critiques of Rome and shares those pretty clearly.  I do not think he's the type of EO that would say or imply that Roman Catholicism is just as off doctrinally as Protestantism.

    I do not have any particular agenda in sharing those, I just figured I'd share my observations because I have listened to him.
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    Re: Orthodox Priest One Step From Resistance
    « Reply #8 on: April 21, 2019, 10:26:35 AM »
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    • Why was this topic even started, X?  Why should we pray for the conversion of this Orthodox priest, when our prayers for the conversion of many in the Catholic hierarchy, including the pope, go unanswered? Heck, this priest is at least a Christian.  Can you say as much for the pope of Rome?
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    Re: Orthodox Priest One Step From Resistance
    « Reply #9 on: April 21, 2019, 04:46:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on April 21, 2019, 10:26:35 AM
    Why was this topic even started, X?  Why should we pray for the conversion of this Orthodox priest, when our prayers for the conversion of many in the Catholic hierarchy, including the pope, go unanswered? Heck, this priest is at least a Christian.  Can you say as much for the pope of Rome?
    Riddle me this: How can a non-Christian be a pope? 
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    Re: Orthodox Priest One Step From Resistance
    « Reply #10 on: April 21, 2019, 04:55:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: hollingsworth on April 21, 2019, 10:26:35 AM
    Why was this topic even started, X?  Why should we pray for the conversion of this Orthodox priest, when our prayers for the conversion of many in the Catholic hierarchy, including the pope, go unanswered? Heck, this priest is at least a Christian.  Can you say as much for the pope of Rome?
    Why should we not pray for the conversion of this Orthodox priest? The Mass of the Presanctified on Good Friday specifically prayed for the conversion of heretics and schismatics. Guess they had it wrong.
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    Re: Orthodox Priest One Step From Resistance
    « Reply #11 on: April 21, 2019, 05:46:26 PM »
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    • I'm probably gonna be called a liberal on this forum for saying that I do, indeed, think this EO priest is a Christian, but I don't see why that means we shouldn't pray for his conversion.  

    Heck, my parents are Protestants, and I at least strive to pray a rosary every day for their conversion.  Are they Christian?  I'm not sure, but even if they were, I'd still think I should pray for their conversion.  
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    Re: Orthodox Priest One Step From Resistance
    « Reply #12 on: April 21, 2019, 05:58:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on April 21, 2019, 05:46:26 PM
    I'm probably gonna be called a liberal on this forum for saying that I do, indeed, think this EO priest is a Christian, but I don't see why that means we shouldn't pray for his conversion.  

    Heck, my parents are Protestants, and I at least strive to pray a rosary every day for their conversion.  Are they Christian?  I'm not sure, but even if they were, I'd still think I should pray for their conversion.  
    Well, technically only Catholics are Christians. Today however, the name Christian has been broadly expanded to include anyone who professes the belief in a triune God.
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    Re: Orthodox Priest One Step From Resistance
    « Reply #13 on: April 21, 2019, 06:37:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on April 21, 2019, 05:58:13 PM
    Well, technically only Catholics are Christians. Today however, the name Christian has been broadly expanded to include anyone who professes the belief in a triune God.
    St Francis De Sales explicitly calls his opponents Christians in The Catholic Controversy, even while he takes them seriously to task for injuring the Church.  Was he wrong to do so?  I can find this and prove it if that would be helpful.
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    Re: Orthodox Priest One Step From Resistance
    « Reply #14 on: April 21, 2019, 06:43:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on April 21, 2019, 05:58:13 PM
    Well, technically only Catholics are Christians. Today however, the name Christian has been broadly expanded to include anyone who professes the belief in a triune God.
    Agreed. I’ve read many Saints and popes say only Catholics can be called Christians. I heard the reason the true Church starting calling themselves Catholics was because heretics were usurping the name of Christian and true believers wanted to distinguish themselves. 
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