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ORIGINAL Tribute to Bp Williamson video from 2003
« on: November 16, 2022, 12:20:16 AM »
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  • Enjoy!

    I noticed that Sestak replaced the one on Youtube with a heavily edited version. THIS is the original that I got from him directly, while we were both still seminarians :)

    https://odysee.com/@CathInfo:a/A-Tribute-to-Bishop-Williamson:3

    Considering Sestak turned on the good Bishop later, becoming a zealous accordista and apologist for the neo-SSPX, I wish he wasn't in this video so much. But this is the original. So, it is what it is.

    P.S. That neo-SSPX shill cut off his new Youtube version right before 6:20, A) the beautiful music (from the end of the movie "The Rock"), B) the beautiful footage of the seminary, including aerial shots, but mostly importantly, C) "A Special Thanks to Bishop Williamson for 20 Years of Loyal Service" -- we can't have people thinking of how loyally he served the SSPX for so long! No, we have to dismiss him, downplay any chance he was right, try to un-person him, etc. Ugh! It really pisses me off.
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    Re: ORIGINAL Tribute to Bp Williamson video from 2003
    « Reply #1 on: November 16, 2022, 02:35:08 AM »
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  • I'm curious about what KINDS of things he edited out of the original.  Do they correlate to his later conversion to Fellayism?

    This brings back great memories of some of the happiest times of my life.  Thank you for posting it.  I was there about 10-12 years before this video, but I can't imagine that the neo-SSPX seminarians after Bishop Williamson's departure had anything near he experience you and I had there at STAS.


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    Re: ORIGINAL Tribute to Bp Williamson video from 2003
    « Reply #2 on: November 16, 2022, 01:39:38 PM »
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  • I'm curious about what KINDS of things he edited out of the original.  Do they correlate to his later conversion to Fellayism?

    This brings back great memories of some of the happiest times of my life.  Thank you for posting it.  I was there about 10-12 years before this video, but I can't imagine that the neo-SSPX seminarians after Bishop Williamson's departure had anything near he experience you and I had there at STAS.

    The stuff about being alone, exiled but having "the TRUTH" -- that bit. And the thank you for "20 years of loyal service". Plus the music video at the end that was very favorable to the bishop and the era he oversaw at the Seminary.
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    Re: ORIGINAL Tribute to Bp Williamson video from 2003
    « Reply #3 on: November 16, 2022, 01:45:08 PM »
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  • One of my favorite scenes in "Braveheart" -- because it's SO true to reality, life, and human nature -- is the scene where Steven the Irishman joins the group.

    Steven sneaks a knife past the guards, threatens one of William's men, and is a bit of a crazy rogue -- he turns out to be loyal TO THE END. He starts out by saving William's life that very night.
    The other dude kneels before William and says "My sword is yours" and "Here is something my wife made for you" -- then he tries to murder William Wallace that very night.

    Moral of the story: not everything is what it appears. Sometimes the most gaudy shows of loyalty have the shallowest roots. Kind of like "He doth protest too much."

    I didn't take any selfies with the Bishop -- but look at me. I supported +W during the 2009 German interview (and silencing by +Fellay) as well as in the earliest days of the Resistance.

    Meanwhile, Sestak makes this video with himself in it, has selfies with the Bishop -- and he betrayed him in 2012 (just look at the description he added to his video on Youtube. He clearly outright censured the bishop).

    If you know human nature, you COULD HAVE ALMOST PREDICTED the outcome, at least 9 times out of 10.
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    Re: ORIGINAL Tribute to Bp Williamson video from 2003
    « Reply #4 on: November 16, 2022, 01:49:21 PM »
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  • I understand the context when his Excellency said that it is impossible to make someone understand when they haven't formed their thinking properly. Unfortunately I have heard  clergy express that same notion with essentially, " why bother".
    When you signed up for the position you did realize you were in sales?


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    Re: ORIGINAL Tribute to Bp Williamson video from 2003
    « Reply #5 on: November 16, 2022, 01:57:59 PM »
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  • I understand the context when his Excellency said that it is impossible to make someone understand when they haven't formed their thinking properly. Unfortunately I have heard  clergy express that same notion with essentially, " why bother".
    When you signed up for the position you did realize you were in sales?

    What are you trying to say?

    Saying "why bother?" certainly doesn't sound good or flattering for any cleric to say. It reeks of laziness and lack of zeal.

    What the Bishop was talking about was extremely wise and true. He's saying that if your target denies objective truth, for example, then nothing you say is going to convince him that the Catholic Faith (for example) is objectively true. The target will just conclude, "If that's how you FEEL", or "That sounds like your truth."

    Once a person's brain literally doesn't work -- once it rejects BASIC PRINCIPLES -- it's actually hopeless for arguing. For example, if a person believes in contradictions. Normally, there's the Principle of Non-Contradiction: "A thing cannot be and not be in the same way at the same time." How else does arguing work?
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    Re: ORIGINAL Tribute to Bp Williamson video from 2003
    « Reply #6 on: November 16, 2022, 02:13:18 PM »
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  • Totally agree 

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    Re: ORIGINAL Tribute to Bp Williamson video from 2003
    « Reply #7 on: November 16, 2022, 03:01:33 PM »
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  • Right ... there's no tone or sense of "why bother" there.


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    Re: ORIGINAL Tribute to Bp Williamson video from 2003
    « Reply #8 on: November 16, 2022, 03:35:20 PM »
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  • One can always edit the video to make Sestak an UNPERSON. For reasons I have not yet fathomed, I cannot save the Odysee video that was linked with my video downloader of choice. Odysee is not allowing a COPY VIDEO LINK option.
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    Re: ORIGINAL Tribute to Bp Williamson video from 2003
    « Reply #9 on: November 16, 2022, 03:52:48 PM »
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  • Wasn't the official line you would hear back in the day,  the priest wouldn't get involved in polemics?

    I guess Catholics will have to discover the true or falsehood of many things on their own

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    Re: ORIGINAL Tribute to Bp Williamson video from 2003
    « Reply #10 on: November 16, 2022, 06:34:39 PM »
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    Re: ORIGINAL Tribute to Bp Williamson video from 2003
    « Reply #11 on: November 16, 2022, 10:06:33 PM »
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  • Looks like Pablo the Mexican (aka: Paul Hernandez) standing at the center in frames at 6:56-6:57.

    https://odysee.com/@CathInfo:a/A-Tribute-to-Bishop-Williamson:3

    Sure looks like him!

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    Re: ORIGINAL Tribute to Bp Williamson video from 2003
    « Reply #12 on: November 16, 2022, 10:40:30 PM »
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  • Sure looks like him!

    At least superficially, yes. But many Hispanic men look like that from far away. Black hair, sunglasses, the basic head shape. I'd have to get closer to properly ID him.
    But I can't rule it out though. Something like 4,000 Catholic faithful used to show up for ordinations. It was an open, public event. He might have come there with Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer. This was 2003 remember.
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    Re: ORIGINAL Tribute to Bp Williamson video from 2003
    « Reply #13 on: November 16, 2022, 11:32:18 PM »
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  • Looks like Pablo the Mexican (aka: Paul Hernandez) standing at the center in frames at 6:56-6:57.

    https://odysee.com/@CathInfo:a/A-Tribute-to-Bishop-Williamson:3
    Funny you mention that, I thought so too, but thought: no way.
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    Re: ORIGINAL Tribute to Bp Williamson video from 2003
    « Reply #14 on: November 17, 2022, 12:24:24 AM »
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  • To add to my thoughts earlier --

    It reminds me of this parable of Our Lord (Matthew chapter 21):

    A certain man had two sons; and coming to the first, he said: Son, go work today in my vineyard. [29] And he answering, said: I will not. But afterwards, being moved with repentance, he went. [30] And coming to the other, he said in like manner. And he answering, said: I go, Sir; and he went not. [31] Which of the two did the father's will? They say to him: The first.

    In other words -- what matters is helping out in the vineyard. Talk is cheap. Gaudy protestations that you will go mean NOTHING if you don't actually go. 
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