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Offline Matthew

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Re: ORDINATION VALIDATION
« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2026, 09:51:54 PM »
Quote from: Peter Alcantara on January 25, 2026, 10:52:37 AM
Hey Matthew- do you have information on Father Zingrang's conditional ordination?
I have conflicting information and want to validate.
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sspx-transfers-2015/

No, I don't unfortunately. 

I do know that Fr. Zigrang was ordained in 1978, so it was much closer to "saner times", when bishops had correct training, etc.
Of course that means nothing to any "new Rite of Ordination is invalid 100% of the time" purist -- but I'm not interested in getting into that right now.
Just wanted to throw that out there.
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Offline Infirmus

Re: ORDINATION VALIDATION
« Reply #36 on: Today at 12:24:10 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 02, 2025, 03:39:15 PM
It is true that Mathew was excommunicated for his refusal of submission to the Holy See (again, canonical, not doctrinal dispute) ... but that would be probably the closest thing you can get to something that might be called "pure schism", where's it's schism only without any doctrinal 
I knew there was something wrong with your siding with the old romans
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Offline Infirmus

Re: ORDINATION VALIDATION
« Reply #37 on: Today at 12:26:36 PM »
Quote from: Marcellinus on July 02, 2025, 01:04:32 PM
Arnold hαɾɾιs Mathew started calling himself Old "Roman" Catholic when he separated from Utrecht.  He was simply continuing Old Catholicism which was condemned by the Church.  In fact, Mathew was excommunicated by Pope St. Pius X in 1911.

Here is his declaration of "autonomy" from Utrecht:  https://www.ssmercy.org/declaration-of-autonomy.html

These "Old Romans" all come from this man.

While they may have valid orders, Bp.  Meikle is a married man, and many of their priests and bishops are also married.  They also celebrate the Traditional Mass in both the vernacular and English.  Also, they claim jurisdiction by setting themselves up as ordinaries of dioceses.  None of this is in any way traditional.

Until they stop ordaining and consecrating married men, stop celebrating Mass in the vernacular, and stop setting up pseudo-dioceses, they should not be considered traditional Catholics and should be avoided for the schismatics they are. 
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