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John Grace · « **Reply #10 on:** April 06, 2013, 02:16:33 PM »

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And perhaps your priest even privately sympathizes with Bishop Williamson and Archbishop Lefebvre;

I assume you mean an Ecclesia Dei priest? I would be worried if an SSPX priest has to keep his sympathies private.

When was the last time you heard of an SSPX priest expressing his sympathies for Bishop Williamson from the pulpit?

Fr. Girouard said he was disciplined and precluded from even discussing concerns about the sellout privately.

Yes, but I meant also about the Archbishop.

s2srea · « **Reply #11 on:** April 06, 2013, 02:18:06 PM »

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9) Do not his omissions represent as much a danger to the faith as an indult chapel, insofar as both refuse to condemn doctrinal error?

My last comment SJ, was indeed not addressing your OP; However, here's where I might disagree. Th answer to your above question, is found in your #2 point:

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2) One of the reasons was that, even if everything said and done were Catholic and orthodox, they were still omitting to teach the faithful about the poisons contained in the doctrines of Vatican II;

Surely this was 'one of the reasons', but it was not the singular reason- there were other dangers to attending an Eclessia Dei mass, or other indults. And these other dangers, I think, not present in a current sspx mass of April 2013; at least not present at all chapels.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #12 on:** April 06, 2013, 02:31:40 PM »

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2) One of the reasons was that, even if everything said and done were Catholic and orthodox, they were still omitting to teach the faithful about the poisons contained in the doctrines of Vatican II;

Surely this was 'one of the reasons', but it was not the singular reason- there were other dangers to attending an Eclessia Dei mass, or other indults. And these other dangers, I think, not present in a current sspx mass of April 2013; at least not present at all chapels.

A cliff hanger! : )

What are you thinking of that would apply to ALL Eclessia Dei masses and not SSPX masses?

What confuses me with Sean's ongoing yellow-orange-red conversation is he's not making a distinction between those with resistance Mass locations and those without. It would make a difference, would it not? I'm sure Fr. Hewko, when giving s2s advice, knew what his Mass options were, correct?

s2srea · « **Reply #13 on:** April 06, 2013, 02:37:55 PM »

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2) One of the reasons was that, even if everything said and done were Catholic and orthodox, they were still omitting to teach the faithful about the poisons contained in the doctrines of Vatican II;

Surely this was 'one of the reasons', but it was not the singular reason- there were other dangers to attending an Eclessia Dei mass, or other indults. And these other dangers, I think, not present in a current sspx mass of April 2013; at least not present at all chapels.

A cliff hanger! : )

What are you thinking of that would apply to ALL Eclessia Dei masses and not SSPX masses?

What confuses me with Sean's ongoing yellow-orange-red conversation is he's not making a distinction between those with resistance Mass locations and those without. It would make a difference, would it not? I'm sure Fr. Hewko, when giving s2s advice, knew what his Mass options were, correct?

He did :)

He knows I now attend mass with Fr. Cooper in Arcadia, Ca; I discussed what I've heard from his pulpit, which was mostly nothing. I actually asked where I should advise those who are potential 'converts' (to tradition) and he also said to advise them to go to a SSPX chapel.

As far as the reasons / dangers for going to a Ecclesia Dei mass, other reasons, off the top of my head, might be the fact that ~~setting foot in a church~~ (edit) attending mass in a church where the Novus Ordo was said would be support of an illicit mass; also, there are dangers in associating with priests who outright support the Novus Ordo and the VII teachings.

John Grace · « **Reply #14 on:** April 06, 2013, 02:58:25 PM »

Where I would urge caution is with Fr Angles and Fr Bierer in Ireland. They are for the agreement. They are hostile to the resistance. It's a shame because some allege Fr Angles showed the seminarians Triumph of the Will (Triumph des Willens)