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Re: Another pedo priest in Resistance
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2018, 10:49:03 AM »
Good question:

What is the Resistance?

It used to be those clergy and laity who wanted to preserve the mission and apostolate of the SSPX (i.e., form a new congregation if the old one sold out).

That, by definition, excludes the independents, who, both before and after the crisis in Tradition, prized their independence above the continuation of ABL's organization of tradition (and it especially excludes those independents who have never had any relation to the SSPX or the Resistance bishops, like Fr. Perez and Colletti).

Later, a new approach to the apostolate eclipsed the original vision, favoring independence.

Are these "Resistance?"

Well, some of them are affiliated "loosely" with the bishops, but they have given up on the original purpose of the Resistance  (i.e., to preserve Archbishop Lefebvre's approach to the apostolate).

Once upon a time, these had no other option but independence, there being no Resistance congregation set up to receive them.

But that is no longer the case.

There are now two competing visions for the "Resistance:"

One which believes Archbishop Lefebvre's model (Which is the Church's model) is still viable, and one which does not.

So to your original question: Are such as Fr.. Perez and Colletti "Resistance," based on nothing more that disagreeing with Bishop Fellay?

I say no.

And what of those others who went from the SSPX into independence, and choose to remain there?

Are these "Resistance?"

Only in a very mitigated form: They simply want to survive, rather than rebuild.  

It's true that ABL often spoke of the SSPX as a pilot light, simply trying to remain lit until the Church recovered from V2.

But this was merely a humble assessment of the SSPX' s "lifeboat" status, not an endorsement for fatalism or surrender to the inevitable eclipse of the Church.

Yet he continued to build and rebuild, and the fact that the Vatican felt threatened enough to try to control him for 20+ years shows that he was not content to merely wait for Heaven to fix the Church.

Some of the final posts of the Syllabus Blog addressed this issue, and I agree completely with their assessment:

However antimodernist the loosely affiliated former SSPX clergy may be, they are nevertheless infected to some degree by liberalism, insofar as they have preferred their own independence to hierarchy and authority (which they now consider to be dangerous), and have preferred to linger rather than rebuild on the basis of a false and/or exagerrated appraisal of the situation in the world and Church.

This is only my opinion, and it should not be construed as an attack against anyone.





Re: Another pedo priest in Resistance
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2018, 11:20:44 AM »
Good question:

What is the Resistance?

It used to be those clergy and laity who wanted to preserve the mission and apostolate of the SSPX (i.e., form a new congregation if the old one sold out).

That, by definition, excludes the independents, who, both before and after the crisis in Tradition, prized their independence above the continuation of ABL's organization of tradition (and it especially excludes those independents who have never had any relation to the SSPX or the Resistance bishops, like Fr. Perez and Colletti).

Later, a new approach to the apostolate eclipsed the original vision, favoring independence.

Are these "Resistance?"

Well, some of them are affiliated "loosely" with the bishops, but they have given up on the original purpose of the Resistance  (i.e., to preserve Archbishop Lefebvre's approach to the apostolate).

Once upon a time, these had no other option but independence, there being no Resistance congregation set up to receive them.

But that is no longer the case.

There are now two competing visions for the "Resistance:"

One which believes Archbishop Lefebvre's model (Which is the Church's model) is still viable, and one which does not.

So to your original question: Are such as Fr.. Perez and Colletti "Resistance," based on nothing more that disagreeing with Bishop Fellay?

I say no.

And what of those others who went from the SSPX into independence, and choose to remain there?

Are these "Resistance?"

Only in a very mitigated form: They simply want to survive, rather than rebuild.  

It's true that ABL often spoke of the SSPX as a pilot light, simply trying to remain lit until the Church recovered from V2.

But this was merely a humble assessment of the SSPX' s "lifeboat" status, not an endorsement for fatalism or surrender to the inevitable eclipse of the Church.

Yet he continued to build and rebuild, and the fact that the Vatican felt threatened enough to try to control him for 20+ years shows that he was not content to merely wait for Heaven to fix the Church.

Some of the final posts of the Syllabus Blog addressed this issue, and I agree completely with their assessment:

However antimodernist the loosely affiliated former SSPX clergy may be, they are nevertheless infected to some degree by liberalism, insofar as they have preferred their own independence to hierarchy and authority (which they now consider to be dangerous), and have preferred to linger rather than rebuild on the basis of a false and/or exagerrated appraisal of the situation in the world and Church.

This is only my opinion, and it should not be construed as an attack against anyone.
So, what it sounds like, is that there is no particular "Resistance" because no one agrees on what it is. Some favor the notion that the "Resistance" is a collection of independent priests who say TLM, some favor builders, some don't think it matters, of which some think Francis is the Pope, and some do not, some think +Williamson is the "Resistance", some think it's Fr. Pfeiffer, some think it's the clandestine SSPX priests that do not agree with Rome, some think it's anyone who carries on the line of +Lefebvre outside SSPX.  Fr. Colletti likely fits in there somewhere.  Heh...or not.  
Sadly, the old axiom comes to mind here: United we stand, divided we fall.        


Re: Another pedo priest in Resistance
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2018, 12:07:48 PM »
So, what it sounds like, is that there is no particular "Resistance" because no one agrees on what it is. Some favor the notion that the "Resistance" is a collection of independent priests who say TLM, some favor builders, some don't think it matters, of which some think Francis is the Pope, and some do not, some think +Williamson is the "Resistance", some think it's Fr. Pfeiffer, some think it's the clandestine SSPX priests that do not agree with Rome, some think it's anyone who carries on the line of +Lefebvre outside SSPX.  Fr. Colletti likely fits in there somewhere.  Heh...or not.  
Sadly, the old axiom comes to mind here: United we stand, divided we fall.        
You got it now.  3 basic camps (non sedevecanti):
1. Supporters of fr. Pfeiffer
2. Supporters of b. Williamson
3. Independent priests 
All attempt to be true to the Faith and ABL.  All have their pros, all their cons.  All speak against the direction of b. Fellay and the NO.

Re: Another pedo priest in Resistance
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2018, 12:29:45 PM »
You got it now.  3 basic camps (non sedevecanti):
1. Supporters of fr. Pfeiffer
2. Supporters of b. Williamson
3. Independent priests
All attempt to be true to the Faith and ABL.  All have their pros, all their cons.  All speak against the direction of b. Fellay and the NO.
Its a wild guess, but it appears all are devoid of at least one unifying factor.  I wonder (actually, I don't ) what that might be? 

Re: Another pedo priest in Resistance
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2018, 12:54:04 PM »
For any still doubting whether or not fr. Pfeiffer and OLMC is quickly becoming SSJ,  part 2, I encourage you to ask fr. Pfeiffer his opinion of fr. Urrutigoity.  

He recently made comments which support fr. Urrutigoity, saying fr. U is not a pervert and because he has not been convicted of anything, in the lay legal system, fr. U is innocent.

If you don't know anything about fr. U and the SSJ (of which fr. Roberts was a founding member and stayed 2 years), Google it.  But do it on an empty stomach because it may make you vomit.

I was told by a priest recently that, according to st. Plus X: fr. U, laicised fr. Ensey, laicised fr tetherow, fr. Roberts, and their ilk should be put to death for their crimes.

How many children must suffer at the hands of these perverts before fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko wake up?  Just goes to show how far fr. Pfeiffer believes the end justifies the means, as long as it benefits him.  He doesnt think about the safety of children.   How can he care about your soul?