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« on: December 03, 2013, 11:58:45 PM »
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  • Another excellent article calling into question Fr. le Roux recent "Letter to Friends & Benefactors", November 10, 2013.

    http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2013/11/30/open-letter-to-father-le-roux/

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    Open Letter to Father le Roux
    Nov 30, 2013

    In your November 10, 2013 letter to Friends & Benefactors,(Fr leRoux November 2013) you are writing about authority and about Tradition, and unless Traditionalists submit to authority, they will become revolutionaries who will subvert all things Catholic.

    In the first four paragraphs, you say that subversion and revolution are contrary to the wishes of God, and you use the French Revolution to make your point. Your readers will recall the comparison made by Archbishop Lefebvre and assume that you are attacking Vatican II and Conciliar Rome.

    Then, in paragraph eight, a surprise is thrown in: “For the last months this subtle temptation of distrust of authority has been poisoning the ranks of the defenders of the tradition of the Church”. Since the SSPX has always considered themselves the defenders of Tradition, you are therefore clearly attacking those who resist the new orientation of the SSPX.

    Further, your letter implies that Bishop Fellay has authority to which we must submit and that those who refuse to do so are subversive and offensive to God. However, Bishop Fellay has very limited authority: he is the head of a pious union of priests and thus has no real authority. Further, as a priest and bishop, with respect to the laity, he has only that authority which we grant to him through supplied jurisdiction.

    Therefore, the Superiors of the SSPX are greatly exceeding their authority by refusing Sacraments to parishioners who express opinions contrary to the Superiors. Further, since the SSPX does not currently have proper canonical status, the Superior General cannot legitimately expel members. He could not even legitimately refuse access to any Superior from the General Chapter, so the exclusion of Bishop Williamson should be considered as invalidating the General Chapter, a true act of subversion that you have failed to refer to in your letter.

    Further, among some SSPX faithful there is the naïve notion that the SSPX, once given a proper canonical status, will then reform Rome from within. If the SSPX priests, even from within, cannot correct the thinking of their superiors without being labeled as subversive, how could the inferior (SSPX) reform the superior (Rome)?

    Your letter raises many questions. I will limit myself to three:

    Why do you compare the Resistance priests and faithful to Monsignor de Talleyrand? Are they worshipping at the “altar of power”? What power are they seeking?

    Is it not “treason” to expel priests precisely for what they were ordained to do: teach and defend the Catholic Faith?

    Ought we submit to Bishop Fellay’s authority when he declares that Vatican II enlightens the life of the Church, that the new Mass is legitimately romulgated, that the NO Sacraments are valid, etc.?  This is clearly contrary to the teachings of Archbishop Lefebvre and contrary to Catholic common sense.

    In your letter you refer to “a new formal attack” that is about to be levelled at the “last vestiges of Tradition”. I am surprised at your fearful attitude when on December 28, 2012, in Canada, Bishop Fellay was optimistic about the future: ‘… we start to see the little signs that start to say that spring is coming’.

    I do agree with you that it is “high time to cease this suicidal internal war” started by Bishop Fellay against the largely unsuspecting SSPX priests and adherents and fuelled by fear of punitive action directed against all outspoken individuals.

    We are aware of the methods the SSPX headquarters are using when they find someone who disagrees with them. Small wonder that those who are still within the SSPX must hide and be silent – and you call them “secretive”, “anonymous” and “cowardly”! Fear and coercion are the tools of revolutionaries (today’s SSPX); fear and coercion are not the tools of the Resistance!

    The Resistance is not using revolutionary methods. We are doing all we can in order to warn others of the dangers coming not so much from the Novus Ordo (we all know by now what to expect from Rome) but especially from the SSPX which has secretly morphed into an Indult entity that has nothing in common with the work started by Archbishop Lefebvre. (The novel The Stepford Wives comes to mind – a rather chilling comparison to what is happening inside the SSPX. No, I am not recommending it – read rather Spiritual Journey.)

    Father, the charges that you raise in your letter were levelled at Archbishop Lefebvre. The Resistance should therefore be proud to be equally treated!

    Your letter was given to me by a friend in Tradition. She noted the surprising number of harsh words that she understood to be levelled against the Resistance: subversion, Revolution, perversity, infiltrating, weapon, devil, scandalous, satanic, violent, hatred. These words are found in the first two paragraphs alone!

    In the past, SSPX superiors never used to write letters of this sort! They used to write pastoral letters in which they warned us of the dangers of Conciliar Rome and they gave clear and relevant examples to make their point. But those days are over.

    There is a new orientation being followed today. Paragraph five contains a most revealing statement about this new SSPX orientation: “Sometimes, when the authority in charge ceases to be faithful to its role of guardian of the common good, it falls to the defenders of Tradition to remind authority of its role and to do this even publicly, thus respecting the very nature of authority while rejecting the secretive, anonymous, cowardly methods of the subversive.”

    The Conciliar Church, by adopting the new Teachings, the new Mass, the new Sacraments, the new Code of Canon Law, does not only sometimes not guard the common good, but rather the Conciliar Church never guards the common good!

    By the above statement and especially by the words “sometimes” and “remind” (could you have selected a weaker verb?), you have proved that the SSPX has joined the ranks of other defectors of Tradition (Campos, FSSP, etc.).

    The title of your letter to Friends & Benefactors should read “Subversion Of Tradition”. And this subversion was effected by Menzingen, not by the Resistance.

    Your letter was mailed to my friend possibly because many years ago she supported financially and with her prayers a seminarian who has since become a priest. Today he is in danger of losing his faith due to the changed orientation of the SSPX.

    My friend was one of the founding members of the SSPX Toronto chapel. She dedicated over two decades of her life to the support of the priests and the needs of the chapel. Today, she no longer supports the SSPX. She now supports the Resistance. She has kept the Faith.

    Further, it is unworthy of the SSPX to include a brochure to raise money by advertising a talk by Dr White to give the illusion that he supports the SSPX. Dr White has been a faithful supporter of Bishop Williamson for many years, and his talk in Virginia on the 25th Anniversary of the Episcopal Consecrations on June 29, 2013 gave a morale boost to the Resistance.

    For a future fund-raising project, you might consider using Dr White’s talk given in Virginia on Sophocles’ Philoctetes. The opening part is a highly entertaining commentary on the newly rebranded SSPX. It is sure to be a crowd-pleaser!!

    Lastly, we have learned of the expulsion of Father Girouard:  “Another head has rolled off the Menzingen guillotine” (Father’s own words). This is another example of the subversion of Tradition by the new SSPX. It is tragic that the SSPX is continuing to self-destruct. It is a blessing and joy to have Father Girouard in the Resistance where he can remain faithful and form future generations of Traditional Catholics.


    With my very best wishes, in Jesus and Mary,

    Sister Constance

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    Open Letter to Father le Roux
    « Reply #1 on: December 04, 2013, 06:07:26 AM »
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  • There is a link to Fr le Roux' letter on the original post (it is not yet on the Seminary's website).

    Today is Sister Constance's birthday. Please remember her in your prayers.


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    « Reply #2 on: December 04, 2013, 08:12:56 AM »
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  • If one reads Fr. Le Roux's letter it does not have the same sense and feel of his past correspondences.
    It does however have the vengeful character of a Menzingen publication.
    One might even think that it was given to the good Father with instructions to sign and publish.
    Just a thought and a feeling?

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    « Reply #3 on: December 04, 2013, 09:09:59 AM »
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  • Who is Sister Constance?

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    « Reply #4 on: December 04, 2013, 09:31:34 AM »
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  • My wife.

    We are both Third Order Franciscans.


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    Open Letter to Father le Roux
    « Reply #5 on: December 04, 2013, 11:22:22 AM »
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  • Dear Friends,


    When Christ was buried in the tomb, His small band of followers were hidden away.


    John 20:19


    "Now when it was late that same day, the first of the week, and the doors were shut, where the disciples were gathered together,"


    So it will be in the time to come:


    "In those days, Faith will fall very low, and it will be preserved in some places only, in a few cottages and in a few families which God has protected from disasters and wars.”

    St Anne Catherine Emmerich



    The apostasy of the city of Rome from the vicar of Christ and its destruction by Antichrist may be thoughts very new to many Catholics, that I think it well to recite the text of theologians of greatest repute. First Malvenda, who writes expressly on the subject, states as the opinion of Ribera, Gaspar Melus, Biegas, Suarrez, Bellarmine and Bosius that Rome shall apostatize from the Faith, drive away the Vicar of Christ and return to its ancient paganism. ...Then the Church shall be scattered, driven into the wilderness, and shall be for a time, as it was in the beginning, invisible; hidden in catacombs, in dens, in mountains, in lurking places; for a time it shall be swept, as it were from the face of the earth. Such is the universal testimony of the Fathers of the early Church.”-The Present Crisis of the Holy See, 1861, London: Burns and Lambert, pp. 88-90

    Cardinal Henry Edward Manning (1808-1892)




    But later:



    Luke 24:34


    "Saying: The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon."



    Saint Francisco de Paola of Italy (1416-1507), founder of the order of Minim friars, was a miracle worker whose spiritual graces included prophecy. In that wise, St. Francis foretold the rise of a great Christian military leader out of Italy sometime in the future:

        "The great leader of the holy militia of the Holy Spirit shall overcome the world, and shall possess the earth so completely that no king or lord shall be able to exist, except that he belongs to the sacred host of the Holy Ghost. These devout men shall wear on their breasts, and much more within their hearts, the sign of the living God, namely, the Cross.

        "The first members of this holy order shall be natives of the city where iniquity, vice and sin abound. However, they shall be converted from evil to good; from rebels against God they shall become most fervent and most faithful in His divine service. That city shall be cherished by God and by the Great Monarch, the elect and the beloved of the Most High Lord. For the sake of that place all holy souls who have done penance in it shall pray in the sight of God for that city and its inhabitants. When the time shall come of the immense and most right justice of the Holy Spirit, His Divine Majesty wills that such city become converted to God, and that many of its citizens follow the great prince of the holy army. The first person that will openly wear the sign of the living God shall belong to that city, because he will through a letter be commanded by a holy hermit to have it impressed upon his heart and to wear it externally on his breast.

        "That man will begin to meditate on the secrets of God, about the long visitation which the Holy Spirit will make and the dominion that he will exercise over the world through the holy militia. O! happy man, who shall receive from the Most High the greatest privileges! He will interpret the hidden secrets of the Holy Ghost, and he shall often excite the admiration of men by his revealed knowledge of the internal secrets of their hearts. Rejoice, my Lord, because that Prince above other princes, and King over other kings, will hold you in the greatest veneration, and after having been crowned with three most admirable crowns, will exalt that city, will declare it free, and the seat of the Empire, and it shall become one of the first cities in the world...

        "He shall be a first-born son; in his childhood he will be like a saint; in his youth, a great sinner; then he will be converted entirely to God and will do great penance; his sins will be forgiven him, and he will become a great saint.

        "He shall be a great captain and prince of holy men, who shall be called "the holy Cross-bearers of Jesus Christ," with whom he shall destroy the Mahometan sect and the rest of the infidels. He shall annihilate all the heresies and tyrannies of the world. He shall reform the church of God by means of his followers, who shall be the best men upon earth in holiness, in arms, in science, and in every virtue, because such is the will of the Most High. They shall obtain the dominion of the whole world, both temporal and spiritual, and they shall support the Church of God until the end of time.

        "God almighty shall exalt a very poor man of the blood of Emperor Constantine, son of St. Helena, and of the seed of Pepin, who shall on his breast wear a red Cross. Through the power of the Most High he shall confound the tyrants, the heretics, and infidels. He will gather a grand army, and the angels shall fight for them; they shall kill all God’s enemies.

        "From the beginning of the world, after the creation of man, and to the end of human generations, there have been and there shall be seen wonderful events upon the earth. Four hundred years shall not pass when his Divine Majesty shall visit the world with a new religious order much needed, which shall effect more good among men than all other religious institutions combined. This religious order shall be the last and the best in the Church; it shall proceed with arms, with prayer, and with hospitality. Woe to tyrants, to heretics, and to infidels, to whom no pity shall be shown, because such is the will of the most high! An infinite number of wicked men shall perish through the hands of the Cross-bearers, the true servants of Jesus Christ. They shall act like good husbandmen when they extirpate noxious weeds and prickly thistles from the wheat field. Those holy servants of God shall purify the earth with the deaths of innumerable wicked men.

        "How spiritually blind are those persons who, having no thought about things of God, fix their end in earthly objects. Wretched men! by far worse than the very beasts which are guided by their sense, because they cannot reason, they become brutalized. Hence they shall ever be in confusion. Let, therefore, the princes of this world be prepared for the greatest scourges to fall upon them. But from whom? First from heretics and infidels, then from the holy and most faithful Cross-bearers elected by the Most High, who, not succeeding in converting the heretics with science, shall have to make vigorous use of their arms. Many cities and villages shall be in ruins, with the deaths of an innumerable quantity of bad and good men. The infidels also shall fight against Christians and heretics, sacking, destroying, and killing the largest portion of Christians. Lastly, the army, styled "of the Church," namely, the holy Cross-bearers, shall move, not against Christians or Christianity, but against those infidels in pagan countries, and they shall conquer all those kingdoms with the death of a very great number of infidels. After this they shall turn their victorious arms against bad Christians, and destroy all the rebels against Jesus Christ.

         

        These holy Cross-bearers shall reign and dominate holily over the world until the end of time... But when shall this take place? When crosses with the stigmas shall be seen, and the crucifix shall be carried as the standard... This standard will be admired by all good Catholics; but at the beginning it will be derided by bad Christians and by infidels. Their sneers shall, however, be changed into mourning when they shall witness the wonderful victories achieved through it against tyrants, heretics, and infidels... That man (the leader of the Crucifers) will be a great sinner in his youth, but like St. Paul he will be drawn and converted to God. He shall be the founder of a new religious order different from all the others. He shall divide it into three classes, namely:

                        (1) Military knights,

                        (2) Solitary priests,

                        (3) most pious hospitalers.

        This shall be the last religious order of the Church, and it will do more good for our holy religion than all other religious institutes. By force of arms he shall take possession of a great kingdom. He shall destroy the sect of Mahomet, extirpate all tyrants and heresies. He shall bring the world to a more holy mode of life. There will be one fold and one Shepherd. He shall reign until the end of time. In the whole earth there shall be only twelve kings, one emperor, one pope. Rich gentlemen shall be few, but all saints."



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    Who is Sister Constance?


    Quote from: BrJoseph
    My wife.

    We are both Third Order Franciscans.

    My hat off to both you and your wife.  Her article is well done.

    “Sometimes, when the authority in charge [of the sspx] ceases to be faithful to its role of guardian of the common good, it falls to the defenders of Tradition to remind authority of its role and to do this even publicly, thus respecting the very nature of authority while rejecting the secretive, anonymous, cowardly methods of the subversive.”

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    « Reply #7 on: December 05, 2013, 09:35:38 AM »
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  • Since Fr le Roux has not been granted facilities by his local bishop, and since we are in a state of emergency, the statement by Sister Constance is correct.

    Welcome to Tradition John Anthony - it appears you will have to do some reading to learn what it is about. I am sure many here will be willing to help.



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  • Quote from: BrJoseph
    Since Fr le Roux has not been granted facilities by his local bishop, and since we are in a state of emergency, the statement by Sister Constance is correct.

    Welcome to Tradition John Anthony - it appears you will have to do some reading to learn what it is about. I am sure many here will be willing to help.



    Dear Brother Joseph,

    Supplied jurisdiction is supplied by the Church, the Mystical Body of Christ.

    Sister Constance says:

    "Further, as a priest and bishop, with respect to the laity, he has only that authority which we grant to him through supplied jurisdiction."

    If read literally, Sr. Constance believes that the laity supplies supplied jurisdiction.

    That is not Catholic ecclesiology.  

    Now I think that the real explanation is that Sister simply doesn't know what she is talking about.

    But I also think that with her, as with most members of the Resistance, there is a very definite tendency towards private interpretation.

    In their heart of hearts, they believe with Pope Francis that they have the right to make up their own minds.  They just make up their minds in favor of a different set of errors from the Holy Father.

    Or to put it another way, there are both Liberal Roman Protestants, and "Traditional" Roman Protestants.

    I have read the SSPX's explanations of supplied jurisdiction; and since I have doctoral degrees in philsophy and law, I understand what I have read.

    You in all likelihood have not read the relevant documents; and if you have, you clearly have not undestood them.

    So it's likely you who need an introduction to genuine tradition.


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    « Reply #9 on: December 06, 2013, 01:43:37 PM »
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  • We definitely have to interpret what the Pope is doing. His actions are not Catholic and we have to determine what to make of him. He is in position and has the authority, but we have to determine how far to take obedience.

    Bishop Fellay has no claim to our obedience. If the SSPX adhering laity did not exist, there would be no need for supplied jurisdiction, there would be nobody noticing that there is a crisis which requires his services.

    While we do not technically supply the jurisdiction, we certainly supply the parishioners on whose behalf the Church supplies. That is close enough for those of us who are not so learned.


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    « Reply #10 on: December 06, 2013, 02:02:11 PM »
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  • Fr. Le Roux has one major thing to answer for in my opinion.  He needs to explain to all of us why the bishop, who ran the seminary for years before Father came onboard,  who trained many Society priests and ordained them, is now anathematized by seminarians, and presumably by Fr. LR himself.  He must explain why none of Bp. Williamson's tapes, books or articles have been stripped from seminary library and bookstore.  When Fr. Le Roux speaks to this issue publicly, I'll certainly be listening.


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  • Quote from: BrJoseph
    We definitely have to interpret what the Pope is doing. His actions are not Catholic and we have to determine what to make of him. He is in position and has the authority, but we have to determine how far to take obedience.

    Bishop Fellay has no claim to our obedience. If the SSPX adhering laity did not exist, there would be no need for supplied jurisdiction, there would be nobody noticing that there is a crisis which requires his services.

    While we do not technically supply the jurisdiction, we certainly supply the parishioners on whose behalf the Church supplies. That is close enough for those of us who are not so learned.



    Dear Brother,

    If the Society has supplied jurisdiction, it has authority over those who take advantage of that jurisdiction, and the right to exclude them if they do not obey.  The same is true of any other individual priest or group of priests who perform their priestly ministry under the theory of supplied jurisdiction.  They are doing the work of Our Lord, the head of the Mystical Body of which we are the members, and so share in his authority.

    The problem is not that you are not so learned.  The problem is that your spirit is not so Catholic.  

    At bottom, the only reason you or I exist is to give greater glory to God by being members of the Church and doing the will of its Head.  Part of doing his will is to obey those whom to whom the Lord has given jurisdiction over us, whether ordinary or supplied.

    If John Smith has no recourse to the Society, then the Society has no authority over him.

    But if John Smith goes to the Society but is of the Resistance, he is surely, to some degree, sinning by disobedience.

    If he thinks that the Society is not entitled to his obedience, then he shouldn't go to it.  If he goes to it, he is a hypocrite.  He claims that the Society is not worthy of his allegiance, but he nonetheless has recourse to it.


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    « Reply #12 on: December 06, 2013, 09:36:00 PM »
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    Quote from: BrJoseph
    We definitely have to interpret what the Pope is doing. His actions are not Catholic and we have to determine what to make of him. He is in position and has the authority, but we have to determine how far to take obedience.

    Bishop Fellay has no claim to our obedience. If the SSPX adhering laity did not exist, there would be no need for supplied jurisdiction, there would be nobody noticing that there is a crisis which requires his services.

    While we do not technically supply the jurisdiction, we certainly supply the parishioners on whose behalf the Church supplies. That is close enough for those of us who are not so learned.



    Dear Brother,

    If the Society has supplied jurisdiction, it has authority over those who take advantage of that jurisdiction, and the right to exclude them if they do not obey.  The same is true of any other individual priest or group of priests who perform their priestly ministry under the theory of supplied jurisdiction.  They are doing the work of Our Lord, the head of the Mystical Body of which we are the members, and so share in his authority.

    The problem is not that you are not so learned.  The problem is that your spirit is not so Catholic.  

    At bottom, the only reason you or I exist is to give greater glory to God by being members of the Church and doing the will of its Head.  Part of doing his will is to obey those whom to whom the Lord has given jurisdiction over us, whether ordinary or supplied.

    If John Smith has no recourse to the Society, then the Society has no authority over him.

    But if John Smith goes to the Society but is of the Resistance, he is surely, to some degree, sinning by disobedience.

    If he thinks that the Society is not entitled to his obedience, then he shouldn't go to it.  If he goes to it, he is a hypocrite.  He claims that the Society is not worthy of his allegiance, but he nonetheless has recourse to it.



    John-

    You err on this topic:

    1) Supplied jurisdiction springs from the request of the faithful caught in grave general spiritual necessity;

    2) Its scope is limited to the request being made (e.g., sacramental absolution, etc);

    3) Therefore, the SSPX have no jurisdiction supplied to them by the Church, outside or beyond this request;

    4) Thus, the only obedience a layman can owe any member of the SSPX would be that of adhesion to penances administered in the confessional.

    5) To pretend one backing the resistance somehow "sins" in doing so, for failure to render a fictitious "obedience" betrays an ignorance on this subject.

    6) No doubt, this mistaken notion stems from decades of casual statements of speaking of SSPX superiors as "my bishop" and "my district superior" and "my priest."

    7) In fact, all SSPX clergy are nothing more than missionaries authorized by the state of necessity to dispense sacraments which, in ordinary times, would require ordinary jurisdiction.

    8) To have given anything more than this was mere voluntary submission, which in saner times was OK at a superficial level;

    9) But as the crisis bears out, it seems to have gone to the SSPX's heads if they think it was ever anything more than this;

    10) And the faithful have only themselves to blame for not having kept their enthusiasm in check.

    11) If you object to this, than perhaps Bishop Fellay was right after all to fear a slide into a schismatic attitude, eh?
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    « Reply #13 on: December 06, 2013, 09:51:22 PM »
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  • From the Library Sub-forum

    The SSPX on the Doctrine of Necessity:


    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/On-the-Doctrine-of-Necessity
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    « Reply #14 on: December 07, 2013, 06:56:40 AM »
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    ....and since I have doctoral degrees in philsophy and law....

    And for all your doctoral degrees you side with a bishop (i.e., Fellay) whose thought on Vatican II is consonant with the hermeneutic of continuity.

     

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