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Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Chiara on September 21, 2013, 09:57:50 PM
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September 21, 2013
Feast of St. Matthew

OPEN APPEAL TO THE SUPERIORS OF THE SOCIETY OF SAINT PIUS X


Your Excellency, Bishop Fellay and Society of St. Pius X Superiors,

In the face of a Pope in the Chair of St. Peter, wielding the sledge-hammer like a second Goliath, dismantling and smashing what is left of the Traditional Teachings of Christ and His Mass, your silence has become alarming and has become a cooperation in extinguishing the Catholic Religion and His True Adoration from the face of the earth.

The “children” of the Society of St. Pius X have cried out for 40 years in this last hour, led by the most child-like Archbishop Lefebvre, who loved and defended his Father’s honor. The time has come for the “stones” of the street; the most unworthy, unglamorous, despised and the “off-scouring of the world” to cry out. Those of the SSPX Resistance can no longer be silent in the face of the present leadership of the Society, shamefully silent at the most necessary hour! All our letters, appeals, filial rebukes have been returned with silences, monitions and expulsions.

All of us who were alive under our saintly Founder, Abp. Lefebvre, remember his letters to the priests and faithful, his sermons crying out against the abominations of the Ecuмenical Assisi Meeting, the Pope’s scandals against the True Faith and Our Lord Jesus Christ, the True God! All of us remember hearing these, like a beacon of light in the darkness of the modern apostasy. A voice of the fearless Good Shepherd roaring out, like a second David or Samson, to protect the flock of Christ from the masked wolves inside. These wolves, tearing out the Faith of Tradition and ripping out the hearts of those consecrated to God, with the fatal blows of Religious Liberty, Ecuмenism, Collegiality, the baneful New Mass and all the artful lies to seduce the handful of Traditional Communities into the Conciliar Church.

The catechism teaches there is a time when silence becomes gravely imprudent, reckless and even cooperates with sin and darkness. That time is now! From the SSPX pulpits, websites, magazines, articles, etc. comes a shameful silence. A silence that uses the “liberty of prudence” as a cloak for malice, a silence equivalent to those passively standing by, while their mother is defiled and violently ravaged by the very ones vowed and ordained to defend Mother Church!

The reason for this guilty silence is now known to all the world. It is expressed in the General Chapter Statement of July 14, 2012, which was the “Vatican II Revolution” within the last bastion of Catholic Tradition. In it, the Society binds itself to the six Conditions for the canonical normalization. An agreement with whom? With the Conciliar Church! The Archbishop was never silent about the Pope’s scandals and respectfully wrote to him, defied his ecuмenism and sins against the Faith, before the whole world, and even resorted to drawings showing the Holy Father, Pope John Paul II being excluded from the gates of Heaven for leading the world to believe that the gods of the gentiles are not devils, as at Assisi!

Now, Pope Francis has surpassed his predecessors in scandals against the Faith by the ecuмenical call for prayers for peace from all religions, celebrating the ecuмenical rite in St. Peter’s; by the unheard of scandals of World Youth Day in Brazil; with the shameful dancing of bishops who, like salt that has lost its savor, have become the laughing stock of the world, worthy to be stepped on for betraying the True God. His sweeping statements on atheists, the divorced, the Sodom and Gomorrhites, clerical celibacy, etc., etc., have misled millions of souls into error and, no doubt, sins. Sins that seem “not so bad,” since according to him, even “atheists can go to Heaven,” and “who am I to judge the gαys?”

Since the new policies of the Society fit the new principles of compromise, now it has lent its hands to abolishing what is left of the True Faith and Adoration of God from the face of the earth, by its shameful silence!

It is useless to pretend that the seeking a “canonical normalization,” an “agreement,” “recognition,” a “union” with Modernist Rome can be pleasing to God, before Rome’s conversion to Tradition. The six Conditions themselves, betray the clear teaching of our Founder who insisted that we never have to ask permission to preach Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ, Crucified! That we openly preach against Vatican II errors and prelates who attack the Faith, because Christ Himself gave that command to the first Pope and Bishops. Archbishop Lefebvre would shudder with horror at the thought of the Indifferentism subtly expressed in the six Conditions and would absolutely condemn the new policy of silence and expulsion of his priests who speak out, against a false union with the Conciliar Church that is aggressively wrecking the Faith and Mass of All Time.

Would he approve of your calling the New Mass “legitimate” or “legitimately promulgated” (which is the same thing)?

Would he approve of all the statements on the Council “not being the cause of errors,” Religious Liberty being “limited,” 95% of the Council acceptable, that the teachings of Vatican II “enlighten” and “deepen” Catholic Tradition?

Would the Founder approve of your signing the Doctrinal Declaration of April 15, 2012, which undermines everything he fought for to save the Faith?

Would he approve of the acceptance of the New Code of Canon Law without the clear distinctions he laid down?

Would he approve of the personal Prelature of the Society that submits to the present Roman authorities, who he called “dishonest men” seeking to remove Christ from society? Have his warnings been forgotten when he said: “With the See of Peter and posts of authority in Rome being occupied by anti-Christs, the destruction of the Kingdom of Our Lord is rapidly being carried out, even in His Mystical Body here below…That is what has brought down upon our heads persecution by the Rome of the anti-Christs. This Rome, Modern and Liberal, is carrying on its work of destruction of the Kingdom of Our Lord, as Assisi and the confirmation of the liberal theses of Vatican II on Religious Liberty prove…” (Abp. Lefebvre, Letter to Future Bishops August 29, 1987).

Would Abp. Lefebvre even recognize his Society today when its leader says: “Vatican II is no longer in people’s heads,…fewer and fewer believe it”? “We have observed a change of attitude in the Church…towards Tradition,” or “Within the Society some (like Abp. Lefebvre himself!) are making the conciliar errors into ‘super heresies’”…or “the present situation in April 2012 is quite different from that of 1988”? That, having said and signed all these ambiguous statements, compromises and decisions, none of them have yet been rejected or condemned? None of them, neither clearly nor publicly!

Would Abp. Lefebvre look favorably on the expulsion of a bishop that he himself sent as rector of the Seminary in the USA and being fully aware of his “unpopular views,” chose him personally to be one of his bishops, as well?

Your Excellency, the grave dangers against the Faith which you have placed the priests and faithful into, by accepting what you yourself condemned 11 years ago, demand a response from your subjects. The Archbishop’s words ring ever true: “It is not the subjects who form superiors, but the superiors who form the subjects.” Now that your position is clearer, as you expressed to the Holy Father, Benedict XVI, “I committed myself,…and I do intend to continue to make every effort to pursue this path in order to arrive at the necessary clarifications, clarifications for the personal Prelature to be carried out,” knowing, moreover, that Rome has not converted back to Tradition, demands the Resistance to your boldness.

Since Vatican Council II, the Popes had a right to our resistance and disobedience because of dangerous errors on the Faith, so more and more people are seeing that you force us to do the same because of your new direction, acceptance of the legitimacy of the New Mass, New Code, Vatican II in the light of Tradition, etc. This is unheard of in the history of the SSPX!

Since you are deaf to your sons’ appeals, and fail to condemn your statements and persist to punish any who warn you or the faithful, you oblige the priests of the Resistance all over the world to pick up where you left off. You oblige us to continue the work of Abp. Lefebvre which is nothing other than the work of the Catholic Church, “without bitterness and without compromises.” The words of Our Lady of Quito, Ecuador seem frightfully so true, that “the Church will be full of those who accept compromise,” when we need to be the ones to cry out, fight, combat openly the evils of Conciliar Rome, leading many souls into apostasy and to Hell-fire. The glory of Christ the King demands it! The COMMON GOOD OF THE CHURCH demands it!

For the love of your soul, your Excellency, please hold an urgent General Chapter. Condemn the new policies and compromises with Vatican II and the New Mass. Return to the stand of Abp. Lefebvre on all the points listed above, resign yourself, and let there be a true son of Abp. Lefebvre to replace you, Fr. Faure, for instance. This alone could save the Society. Otherwise, the work of Tradition will peacefully continue, if it pleases God, in the SSPX Resistance, Marian Corps.

“If the children will not cry out, the very stones in the street will cry out!”

The Faith may be compromised and betrayed by men, but the True God does not die!

VIVA CRISTO REY!

Immaculate Heart of Mary, hasten Thine hour of Victory!

Sincerely in Christ the King,

Fr. David Hewko











Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Skunkwurxsspx on September 21, 2013, 11:29:41 PM
Dear Friends,

     If ever I had sedevacantist temptations, the time would be NOW. It's becoming increasingly difficult for me to believe that the man occupying the Chair of Peter is really pope.

     I thought I would never live to see the day when my liberal, neo-pagan co-workers would actually come to my desk and laughingly exhort me to FOLLOW what the pope says!

     What I "feel" is irrelevant. That this man continues on his destructive binge as though he were some sworn enemy of the Church is! How did they ever elect this man to the papacy?

     All I know is that it's becoming increasingly difficult to reconcile the clear pattern of his scandalous words and actions, executed in shocking, unapologetic boldness and deliberate zeal, with the actions of a true shepherd of the Church.

     For the record, I have no problem with those who take the sedevacantist position and who do so in complete sincerity and desire to remain faithful to the Church. I have often found their arguments to be powerful and quite compelling, actually.
       
     I myself have not made that formal "switch" yet, but the man presently occupying the See of Peter is doing a great job of helping me tip that scale!

     Yes, the Apostle Peter did deny Christ three times, but out of fear for his life, don't forget. The man who occupies his Chair today, however, seems to actually ENJOY presiding over the (attempted) destruction and humiliation of the Church! There's not a nervous bone in him! Being the wrecking ball seems to come so naturally to him with that disgusting but tiresome smirk!

     Put another way, imagine the Apostle Peter denying his Master, seized with fear and a whole bunch of other disquieting emotions we could all relate to as weak humans. Now imagine this other "Peter" actually joining the Roman soldiers in spitting on Our Lord's face, gleefully scourging Him at the pillar, and laughing at Him along with the Jєωs!

     Look, I have no idea whether this man in Rome is the "last pope," the uncanonically elected "Destroyer" reportedly prophesied by St. Francis of Assisi for the end times, etc. I don't care to guess or get into stuff like this. All I can say is that I shudder to find out what other "runaway train" clownery and scandal would be spewing forth from this highest office next!

     I do not mean to offend anyone's sensibilities by this strongly worded post. I'll be the first to admit that I don't presume to know everything. Those who've read my past entries, I'm sure, need no convincing of that. I just felt I needed to get this off my chest. Thanks for reading. I would welcome any thoughts or suggestions. God bless!!!

     

     

         

     
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Seraphia on September 21, 2013, 11:31:16 PM
VIVA CRISTO REY!
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Matthew on September 21, 2013, 11:50:16 PM
I would point out that Pope Francis is NOT a true shepherd of the Church. He is the Pope, but a bad one, and possibly put there to destroy the Church.

A true shepherd would never do the things that he has done.

When I read your post, I recognized the sentiment of MANY traditional Catholics, as many have said those same things recently (even on CathInfo).

I would add, also, that there is not a fundamental difference between this pope and John Paul II. They both undermined Tradition and presided over the continued destruction of the Catholic Church.

Perhaps EMOTIONALLY Pope Francis is harder to stomach -- but let's just say my stance on the "pope question" is based more on reason than emotion.

I won't be blowing away like a leaf, even in the hurricane of Pope Francis' scandalous words. I would like others to be similarly well-founded in reason and doctrine.

Pope Francis is to John Paul II as Obama is to Clinton. Yes, Obama is a new low. Yes, his name sounds like "Osama", his middle name is "Hussein", and he's obviously a Muslim. We've never had a president that's allergic to the American flag, etc. We've never been that low before. AND YET -- what is he really doing that is fundamentally different from what Clinton did? They both strove to move us forward into the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.

Yes, Pope Francis is a new low. But fundamentally there is a complete cohesion between his pontificate and that of the previous post-V2 popes.

Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Zeitun on September 21, 2013, 11:50:48 PM
Quote from: Skunkwurxsspx
Dear Friends,

     If ever I had sedevacantist temptations, the time would be NOW. It's becoming increasingly difficult for me to believe that the man occupying the Chair of Peter is really pope.

     I thought I would never live to see the day when my liberal, neo-pagan co-workers would actually come to my desk and laughingly exhort me to FOLLOW what the pope says!

     What I "feel" is irrelevant. That this man continues on his destructive binge as though he were some sworn enemy of the Church is! How did they ever elect this man to the papacy?

     All I know is that it's becoming increasingly difficult to reconcile the clear pattern of his scandalous words and actions, executed in shocking, unapologetic boldness and deliberate zeal, with the actions of a true shepherd of the Church.

     For the record, I have no problem with those who take the sedevacantist position and who do so in complete sincerity and desire to remain faithful to the Church. I have often found their arguments to be powerful and quite compelling, actually.
       
     I myself have not made that formal "switch" yet, but the man presently occupying the See of Peter is doing a great job of helping me tip that scale!

     Yes, the Apostle Peter did deny Christ three times, but out of fear for his life, don't forget. The man who occupies his Chair today, however, seems to actually ENJOY presiding over the (attempted) destruction and humiliation of the Church! There's not a nervous bone in him! Being the wrecking ball seems to come so naturally to him with that disgusting but tiresome smirk!

     Put another way, imagine the Apostle Peter denying his Master, seized with fear and a whole bunch of other disquieting emotions we could all relate to as weak humans. Now imagine this other "Peter" actually joining the Roman soldiers in spitting on Our Lord's face, gleefully scourging Him at the pillar, and laughing at Him along with the Jєωs!

     Look, I have no idea whether this man in Rome is the "last pope," the uncanonically elected "Destroyer" reportedly prophesied by St. Francis of Assisi for the end times, etc. I don't care to guess or get into stuff like this. All I can say is that I shudder to find out what other "runaway train" clownery and scandal would be spewing forth from this highest office next!

     I do not mean to offend anyone's sensibilities by this strongly worded post. I'll be the first to admit that I don't presume to know everything. Those who've read my past entries, I'm sure, need no convincing of that. I just felt I needed to get this off my chest. Thanks for reading. I would welcome any thoughts or suggestions. God bless!!!    


I think this might help you:
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Wessex on September 22, 2013, 07:05:04 AM
After fifty years, expecting the mainstream to act like the old church is a non-starter. Expecting it to be anything but is more like it. We could conclude that the Society has given up on changing Rome and so is eagerly devaluing Lefebvre's historic legacy, at the same time uncovering those old authority hangups. Obviously, they did not go away    
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: LKCTexas on September 22, 2013, 10:46:01 AM
Father Hewko, a true son of Mary and son of Archbishop Lefebvre, expressed well the hearts of us who love and want to keep the Faith.  Fr. Hewko refers to Our Lady of Good Success regarding compromise.  This compromise within the SSPX is the same deadly acid used within the post-Conciliar Church that has lead to the great apostasy.  I would suffice to say this diabolical silence grew into the monster it is from the silencing of Our Lady of Fatima, particularly in 1959 when Pope John XXIII silenced the third secret.  

It is clear that Rome is burning and SSPX leadership is fine just cozying up to the fire to warm itself as Peter did and proclaiming "I know not the man", while attempting to fashion SSPX into a comfy club of Catholic Tradition. Let us pray that SSPX leadership will also see the charitable rebuke from Our Lord as Peter did and weep for its sins.

I pray for all of the Bishops, Priests, Religious and Faithful of SSPX in my Rosaries and will pray that Father Hewko's letter will get wide spread distribution to the priests and faithful.  I myself will help in this cause when the opportunity arises.

For one I just received an appeal from the SSPX US District for financial support.  The enclosed letter from Fr. Rostand reads a bit like the Novus Ordo appeals from the local Diocese (see attached).  Before the SLIDE of SSPX into lukewarmness, with great gladness and joy I made contributions to a number of SSPX needs (Local chapel, Seminary, Monasteries, St. Mary's School and College) and purchased from Angelus Press.  Now we have to be told how to give.  We now mingle our sorrows with Fr. Hewko and all the Resistance priests for the direction SSPX leadership is going.

We know "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph" so we must pray that the Lord's Will be done even, as Our Lady said in Quito, when all appears lost, then will be the time of her triumph.

And in regards to Pope Francis, Bishop Williamson made an interesting point during his recent talk (I believe Sept 1, 2013, Our Lady of Fatima).  If Pope Benedict was forced to resign by the Masonic Order currently occupying the Vatican, then the election of Pope Francis may be invalid, leaving Benedict as Pope.  None the less, we must follow Our Lady's request to pray much for the Holy Father.

Vivat Christus Rex!
Patrick
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: hollingsworth on September 22, 2013, 10:53:44 AM
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The time has come for the “stones” of the street; the most unworthy, unglamorous, despised and the “off-scouring of the world” to cry out. Those of the SSPX Resistance can no longer be silent in the face of the present leadership of the Society, shamefully silent at the most necessary hour! All our letters, appeals, filial rebukes have been returned with silences, monitions and expulsions.


Yes, it is time for us most unworthy ones to cry out.  The silence of the sspx leadership and its priests is deafening.  So deafening, in fact, that we took from it a miscue.  We began to attend the local FSSP here in Post Falls.  Why?  Because the atmosphere was nicer.  The people were friendlier.  The priests were less standoffish and more approachable.  Three of the sspx priests stationed at Immaculate Conception Church told me, on separate occasions, that I was wrong for doing this.  I replied each time that I saw no difference at all between the two chapels;  that the priests of both chapels preached essentially the same kinds of sermons, i.e. harmless, non-combative, non-confrontational.  They never preached against Vatican II, against the post-Conciliar Church.  They consciously skirted all of the Council's errors and its horrible aftermath, culminating now in probably the goofiest pope ever elected to the Chair of St. Peter.  The priests from neither chapel ever condemned the enormities committed by the NO clergy, or rebuke them in any way.  So why then, we reasoned, should we not, in the interests of unity, share time between the two chapels, since both chapels conducted their two programs in about the same way?  Later we went to the prior of ICC, Fr. Paul Vassal, to seek clarification.  We told him that we attended St. Joan of Arc, (the FSSP chapel), from time to time.  He said that that was alright.  He didn't mind. Only later, did Fr. Vassal dismiss me from serving at the ICC altar, because, he said, I had spread "lies."  "Lies," I inquired?  "Are you accusing me of being a liar, Father?"
"No," he answered,"but you are spreading the lies of others."
Of course, we do not now attend the FSSP chapel any longer.  Nor do we hear Mass at ICC or any of its two affiliates here in the area, to which ICC supplies one of its priests.  We "resist" all of the aforementioned with renewed vigor.    
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Matthew on September 22, 2013, 11:17:40 AM
What an awesome letter from Fr. Hewko!

He was just here at our house, too! My family and I spiritually benefited by his words, his example, and the two Masses he said here.

I wish more people would have come out to listen to this very holy and courageous priest.

We need to print out this letter and pass it around to friends, family, and fellow parishioners. Fr. Hewko was written a very sober, sane, balanced, Catholic, and informative letter. He has done a lot of the work for us. We just need to send this out, and hopefully those of good will can react accordingly.
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: SJB on September 22, 2013, 11:24:26 AM
Quote from: Matthew
I would add, also, that there is not a fundamental difference between this pope and John Paul II. They both undermined Tradition and presided over the continued destruction of the Catholic Church.

Perhaps EMOTIONALLY Pope Francis is harder to stomach -- but let's just say my stance on the "pope question" is based more on reason than emotion.

I won't be blowing away like a leaf, even in the hurricane of Pope Francis' scandalous words. I would like others to be similarly well-founded in reason and doctrine.

Pope Francis is to John Paul II as Obama is to Clinton. Yes, Obama is a new low. Yes, his name sounds like "Osama", his middle name is "Hussein", and he's obviously a Muslim. We've never had a president that's allergic to the American flag, etc. We've never been that low before. AND YET -- what is he really doing that is fundamentally different from what Clinton did? They both strove to move us forward into the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.


A couple of observations:

1. If one looks at the situation from an emotional viewpoint, yes possibly Frances is "Harder to stomach." But we don't look at things that way.

2. You seem to imply sedevacantists have "blown away like a leaf" while you haven't. Maybe we have seen things more clearly all along.

Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Conspiracy_Factist on September 22, 2013, 11:29:34 AM
I attended  Fr Hewko's mass today for the first time and liked his sermon very much, although when I asked him about sedevacantism he said it was a dead end, I'll have to disagree with him on that point but can say that I'm a fan of his and admire his character
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Matthew on September 22, 2013, 11:31:11 AM
Quote from: gooch
I attended  Fr Hewko's mass today for the first time and liked his sermon very much, although when I asked him about sedevacantism he said it was a dead end, I'll have to disagree with him on that point but can say that I'm a fan of his and admire his character


FWIW, I think Fr. Hewko has a very good point.
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Matthew on September 22, 2013, 11:39:25 AM
Quote from: SJB
Quote from: Matthew
I would add, also, that there is not a fundamental difference between this pope and John Paul II. They both undermined Tradition and presided over the continued destruction of the Catholic Church.

Perhaps EMOTIONALLY Pope Francis is harder to stomach -- but let's just say my stance on the "pope question" is based more on reason than emotion.

I won't be blowing away like a leaf, even in the hurricane of Pope Francis' scandalous words. I would like others to be similarly well-founded in reason and doctrine.

Pope Francis is to John Paul II as Obama is to Clinton. Yes, Obama is a new low. Yes, his name sounds like "Osama", his middle name is "Hussein", and he's obviously a Muslim. We've never had a president that's allergic to the American flag, etc. We've never been that low before. AND YET -- what is he really doing that is fundamentally different from what Clinton did? They both strove to move us forward into the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.


A couple of observations:

1. If one looks at the situation from an emotional viewpoint, yes possibly Frances is "Harder to stomach." But we don't look at things that way.

2. You seem to imply sedevacantists have "blown away like a leaf" while you haven't. Maybe we have seen things more clearly all along.



If that is how you reason, no wonder you're sedevacantist! hahaha
(Just kidding)

Seriously, though, I never suggested any such thing.

What I did suggest is that the sight of a Pope kissing the Koran causing a man to run away screaming into a CMRI chapel to "sign me up" is not the hallmark of a stable, balanced, rational man.

If a person has rational reasons to become a Sedevacantist, that's your choice. Likewise, if he chooses to deal with the Crisis in another way like Abp. Lefebvre, that is a valid choice.

But at least approach it rationally, not flitting around based on current events.  A person who "becomes sedevacantist" because of one event is kind of foolish. What about all the other "events" that preceded it? Either there's a compelling argument for Sedevacantism, or there isn't. The fact of Pope Francis doesn't add (or take away) anything.

If you're shocked by Pope Francis, you must be very ignorant about what the previous Post-VII popes have done and said. Because they have each done and said scandalous things.

It's not like Francis' speaking schedule, or John Paul II's travel itinerary for 1993 had any bearing at all on the status of the Chair of Peter.
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Conspiracy_Factist on September 22, 2013, 12:42:19 PM
Quote from: Matthew
Quote from: gooch
I attended  Fr Hewko's mass today for the first time and liked his sermon very much, although when I asked him about sedevacantism he said it was a dead end, I'll have to disagree with him on that point but can say that I'm a fan of his and admire his character


FWIW, I think Fr. Hewko has a very good point.

Although I didn't go deep into the sedevacantist issue with him, he mentioned that there may come a time when  a  pope brings back tradition rebuking vatican 2 ...if that did ever happen then of course I would cease to be a sedevacantist..but not sure what exactly he meant by " dead end" ...feel free to take a stab at it to explain to me, I didn't want to hog up all his time with me so we didn't go into  it further as we had discussed a couple of issues earlier.
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: hollingsworth on September 22, 2013, 01:16:07 PM
Matthew:
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We need to print out this letter and pass it around to friends, family, and fellow parishioners. Fr. Hewko was written a very sober, sane, balanced, Catholic, and informative letter. He has done a lot of the work for us. We just need to send this out, and hopefully those of good will can react accordingly.


Done!
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: hollingsworth on September 22, 2013, 01:18:51 PM
Fr. Hewko has told us on several occasions that he has never been formally expelled from the Society.  In fact, I don't think he has even received a monition, or if so, only one.  This letter will help Bp. Fellay move ahead with his formal expulsion, we can hope.  Let his relationship to the neo-sspx be cleanly severed.  We don't need any ragged ends.
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Frances on September 22, 2013, 01:44:03 PM
 :scratchchin:  
Well said, but my guess is that the most likely response will be silence. If not silence, Fr. Hewko will be formally expelled, especially now that Father's nephew's family no longer brings in seminary tuition.  The Resistance should use their energy to resist the errors of the worldwide fraud masquerading as Catholicism than on reaching the hierarchy of the SSPX.  Just my opinion, but I fear Bp. Fellay may well have passed the place of no return. Fr. Hewko obviously has more patience than I!   May God have mercy on us all.
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: John Grace on September 22, 2013, 02:09:51 PM
Quote from: Frances
:scratchchin:  
Well said, but my guess is that the most likely response will be silence. If not silence, Fr. Hewko will be formally expelled, especially now that Father's nephew's family no longer brings in seminary tuition.  The Resistance should use their energy to resist the errors of the worldwide fraud masquerading as Catholicism than on reaching the hierarchy of the SSPX.  Just my opinion, but I fear Bp. Fellay may well have passed the place of no return. Fr. Hewko obviously has more patience than I!   May God have mercy on us all.


A wise comment. Whilst it is no harm printing off the letter and distributing it, I wouldn't waste time and energy. The response will be silence.

The laity in Ireland hardly raised any questions when Fr N Pfluger visited so what will this letter do?

Momentum was lost in seeking to remove Bishop Fellay.

A suggestion would be is to stand outside SSPX chapels with copies of the letter. The likes of 'New Templar' or D Banks of England will dismiss it as the work of cranks, who the Society doesn't need but at this stage the gloves are off.

The letter will have no bearing on folk remaining with the SSPX. It would be naive to believe the letter will have any impact.

For example even at the conference given by Bishop Williamson, despite hearing the facts and evidence, one lady present could not find anything wrong with what Bishop Fellay has said or done and spoke well of Bishop Fellay. I felt sorry for her.

One might be cross with Bishop Fellay for moving priests etc etc but how many are actually for the resistance.
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: John Grace on September 22, 2013, 02:23:51 PM
A fundamental error was made early on when moderating staff on Ignis Arden removed certain factual information. They had their reasons but this information would have had a greater impact.A great shame the information was removed.
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: John Grace on September 22, 2013, 02:28:04 PM
stgobnait, the sole Irish member here may disagree but I don't believe for a minute this open appeal will have a bearing in anybody in Ireland leaving SSPX chapels to follow the Resistance.
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: hollingsworth on September 22, 2013, 02:33:49 PM
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A wise comment. Whilst it is no harm printing off the letter and distributing it, I wouldn't waste time and energy. The response will be silence.


Perhaps some are forgetting that this is an open letter.  It was addressed to Bp. Fellay and his superiors.  But its contents were meant to be read by all of us.  I am greatly ecouraged by the declaration.  Of course, we all know that Fellay will not show the whites of his eyes.  He'll just simply hunker down and sandbag until the fusilade is over.  We all know how he and his minions operate.  But no matter, this letter came at a very good time, when numbers of "resisters" may be sitting on the fence.  They will perhaps be helped to decide against a continued relationship to the Society
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: John Grace on September 22, 2013, 02:36:43 PM
Fr Hewko
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For the love of your soul, your Excellency, please hold an urgent General Chapter. Condemn the new policies and compromises with Vatican II and the New Mass. Return to the stand of Abp. Lefebvre on all the points listed above, resign yourself, and let there be a true son of Abp. Lefebvre to replace you, Fr. Faure, for instance. This alone could save the Society. Otherwise, the work of Tradition will peacefully continue, if it pleases God, in the SSPX Resistance, Marian Corps.


I don't believe for a minute there will be an urgent General Chapter and Fr Faure would hardly become Superior General. Even if he did the SSPX has formally given up the fight.

Bishop Fellay would be condemning himself and his own ambitions, if he were to condemn what Fr Hewko outlines. Only God will save the Society.

Tradition will continue.  
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: stgobnait on September 22, 2013, 02:40:32 PM
I do disagree... that i am the sole irish member here, john, apart from your good self, plus i know there are many irish, who visit cathinfo. i do agree, that apart from those people who have already left sspx, this appeal will not cause others to follow suit. But it would be wrong to say it will not be read, and noted...and who knows what may happen further down the line.
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: John Grace on September 22, 2013, 02:55:17 PM
Quote from: stgobnait
I do disagree... that i am the sole irish member here, john, apart from your good self, plus i know there are many irish, who visit cathinfo. i do agree, that apart from those people who have already left sspx, this appeal will not cause others to follow suit. But it would be wrong to say it will not be read, and noted...and who knows what may happen further down the line.


It's no harm to share the letter but I don't believe for a minute any Irish laity will leave their chapel because of it. They are more inclined to dismiss the resistance as fruitcakes.
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: John Grace on September 22, 2013, 02:59:55 PM
For example how receptive would the SSPX Youth Group in Ireland be to this open letter? A group, who basically boycotted the Bishop Williamson conference. The Bishop chosen by the Archbishop. They obviously had their minds made up. Would they read this letter of appeal  and act upon it.

You even had men in their 40s going on the youth weekend as to avoid Bishop Williamson.

I couldn't or won't depend on these type of people.
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Mithrandylan on September 22, 2013, 03:03:36 PM
Quote from: Matthew
I would point out that Pope Francis is NOT a true shepherd of the Church. He is the Pope, but a bad one, and possibly put there to destroy the Church.

A true shepherd would never do the things that he has done.

When I read your post, I recognized the sentiment of MANY traditional Catholics, as many have said those same things recently (even on CathInfo).

I would add, also, that there is not a fundamental difference between this pope and John Paul II. They both undermined Tradition and presided over the continued destruction of the Catholic Church.

Perhaps EMOTIONALLY Pope Francis is harder to stomach -- but let's just say my stance on the "pope question" is based more on reason than emotion.

I won't be blowing away like a leaf, even in the hurricane of Pope Francis' scandalous words. I would like others to be similarly well-founded in reason and doctrine.

Pope Francis is to John Paul II as Obama is to Clinton. Yes, Obama is a new low. Yes, his name sounds like "Osama", his middle name is "Hussein", and he's obviously a Muslim. We've never had a president that's allergic to the American flag, etc. We've never been that low before. AND YET -- what is he really doing that is fundamentally different from what Clinton did? They both strove to move us forward into the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.

Yes, Pope Francis is a new low. But fundamentally there is a complete cohesion between his pontificate and that of the previous post-V2 popes.



So he's a fake pope and a real pope?   :confused1:

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle-noncontradiction/
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: John Grace on September 22, 2013, 03:43:03 PM
Priority for the SSPX laity in Ireland will be the abortion legislation or collecting pro-life signatures. Very few are that bothered with internal politics of the pious union.

I based that opinion on the comments from Irish SSPX folk themselves and their comments on the Facebook page.

Pro-life activism is their interest.

As I stated previously, I genuinely do not believe the letter will make any impact. A mere opinion and I won't mislead the forum.
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: John Grace on September 22, 2013, 03:58:00 PM
I'm afraid you can't disregard that many Irish SSPX laity did support Declan Ganley, who not only had ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs canvassing for him did this.

Party U-turn as Ganley backs Jєωιѕн group
http://www.irishexaminer.com/text/ireland/snmhmhqlid/
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By Paul O’Brien Political Correspondent - Thursday, June 04, 2009

LIBERTAS performed an astonishing U-turn last night after earlier claiming that a leading Jєωιѕн human rights organisation was "beneath contempt".

Less than two hours after Libertas candidate Caroline Simons branded the Simon Wiesenthal Centre as "willing idiots", Libertas founder Declan Ganley said his organisation was joining with the centre to "actively fight racism and anti-Semitism".

The embarrassing U-turn overshadowed Libertas’s final press event of the European election campaign.

The contradictory statements were issued after the centre, which fights anti-Semitism across the world, raised questions about some of Libertas’s candidates across Europe, as revealed in this paper yesterday. The centre stated: "Libertas is running some 600 candidates in over 20 of the elections in the 27 member states. Some of those standing are known αnтι-ѕємιтєs, homophobes and anti-migrant racists."

Libertas responded yesterday when claiming in a statement issued at around 3.20pm that the centre’s comments represented a "smear".

"In 2004, the Simon Wiesenthal Centre smeared the president of our country," Ms Simons, who’s standing for Libertas in Dublin, said. "They implied that by association, she was giving support to fascists. They are beneath contempt.

"The voters aren’t stupid. It was only ever a matter of time before the establishment got so desperate that they resorted to calling us nαzιs. The only surprise here is that we had to wait so long before they could find a willing idiot to come and say it."

But shortly after 5pm, Libertas founder Declan Ganley, who’s running as a candidate in Ireland North West, issued a very different statement.

"Libertas leader Declan Ganley today announced that the Libertas pan-European movement will ally itself with the Simon Wiesenthal Centre in a joint commitment to defend against and actively fight racism and anti-Semitism within the European Parliament and other European institutions," the statement said.

Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: John Grace on September 22, 2013, 04:04:28 PM
Telesphorus was correct  when he spoke about many in the SSPX not being anti-Zionist.

From my own observation many SSPX folk in Ireland support ʝʊdɛօ-Christian groups mainly in the "pro-life movement".  
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Kelley on September 22, 2013, 04:09:06 PM
Quote from: Fr. Hewko
The catechism teaches there is a time when silence becomes gravely imprudent, reckless and even cooperates with sin and darkness. That time is now! From the SSPX pulpits, websites, magazines, articles, etc. comes a shameful silence. A silence that uses the “liberty of prudence” as a cloak for malice, a silence equivalent to those passively standing by, while their mother is defiled and violently ravaged by the very ones vowed and ordained to defend Mother Church!

"In this supreme moment of need of the Church, those who should speak will fall silent.”
- Our Lady of Good Success; Quito, Ecuador; January 20, 1610
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: John Grace on September 22, 2013, 04:15:32 PM
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We need to print out this letter and pass it around to friends, family, and fellow parishioners. Fr. Hewko was written a very sober, sane, balanced, Catholic, and informative letter. He has done a lot of the work for us. We just need to send this out, and hopefully those of good will can react accordingly.


I don't disagree with you but stgobnait is correct regarding Ireland.If people haven't the inclination or there is no meeting of minds, people will not act.

It's no harm sharing but personally I shan't be doing it. Frances made a good point of where the emphasis should be.
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: John Grace on September 22, 2013, 04:16:45 PM
Fr Hewko

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That time is now!


The time was much earlier.
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: SeanJohnson on September 22, 2013, 04:57:29 PM
For what it's worth, our new priest gave a conference between Masses on Vatican II.

I could not stay to hear what he had to say, but others on this forum might be able to fill me/you in.

He also mentioned the recent scandalous actions/quotes of the Pope, and asked that we fast and pray for him.

It was not as strident a condemnation as I would have liked to have heard.

But the point was that both Vatican II and papal scandal were dealt with today.

I mention it in fairness to him, only because in another thread a few days ago, I observed that Vatican II had been ignored since his arrival.
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: SJB on September 22, 2013, 04:59:44 PM
Quote from: Matthew
What I did suggest is that the sight of a Pope kissing the Koran causing a man to run away screaming into a CMRI chapel to "sign me up" is not the hallmark of a stable, balanced, rational man.


Well, I don't know of too many that have done this as the emotional types typically don't think too much about doctrine being the deciding factor in anything.



Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: cantatedomino on September 22, 2013, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: Skunkwurxsspx
Dear Friends,

     If ever I had sedevacantist temptations, the time would be NOW. It's becoming increasingly difficult for me to believe that the man occupying the Chair of Peter is really pope.

     I thought I would never live to see the day when my liberal, neo-pagan co-workers would actually come to my desk and laughingly exhort me to FOLLOW what the pope says!
     


I don't think the present situation requires folk to go from non-SV to SV. I do think it requires us to finally state the obvious - THIS GUY AIN'T CATHOLIC!
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Conspiracy_Factist on September 22, 2013, 06:29:06 PM
Quote from: cantatedomino
Quote from: Skunkwurxsspx
Dear Friends,

     If ever I had sedevacantist temptations, the time would be NOW. It's becoming increasingly difficult for me to believe that the man occupying the Chair of Peter is really pope.

     I thought I would never live to see the day when my liberal, neo-pagan co-workers would actually come to my desk and laughingly exhort me to FOLLOW what the pope says!
     


I don't think the present situation requires folk to go from non-SV to SV. I do think it requires us to finally state the obvious - THIS GUY AIN'T CATHOLIC!

if he's not christian how can he be our pope?
St. Robert Bellarmine,
De Romano Pontifice
, II, 30:
"
This principle is most certain. The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope, as
Cajetan himself admits (ib. c. 26). The reason for this is that he cannot be head of
what he is not a member;
now he who is not a Christian is not a member of the
Church,
and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St.
Cyprian (lib. 4, epist. 2), St. Athanasius (S
cr. 2 cont. Arian.), St. Augustine (lib. De
great. Christ. Cap. 20), St. Jerome (contra Lucifer.) and others; therefore the
manifest heretic cannot be Pope


what FR Hewko told me today was that Francis is not a manifest heretic
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Ladislaus on September 22, 2013, 08:00:24 PM
Matthew, it isn't just about emotion.  There's a very strong impression (an intellectual one) that Bergoglio is more pertinacious with regard to his heresies.  In fact, several resistance priests have referred to Bergoglio as "obdurate" in his "heresies".  That is the textbook definition of a formal heretic.  It's very very difficult to write Bergoglio off as a material heretic, Matthew.
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Ladislaus on September 22, 2013, 08:02:58 PM
And, very honestly, the resistance priests do need to be called out on this.  They have referred to V2 as promoting heresy.  And they have referred to the V2 Popes as "obdurate" promoters of heresy.

To be honest, Bishop Fellay is in fact more consistent in his position.

I find it very difficult to hear Bishop Williamson constantly denouncing the value of "nitheness" (as he pronounces "niceness") and yet keep talking about how John Paul II, Benedict XVI, etc. were "sincere" and well-meaning but just confused.

Bergoglio takes things to a new level, however; it's very obvious that he openly flaunts his rebelling against Tradition, i.e. he appears on the surface to be have crossed the threshold of pertinacity.  At least JP2 and B16 would profess the need to adhere to Tradition (despite their hermeneutical spin on it); Bergoglio flaunts Tradition.

With that said, I still believe that there are problems with sedevacantism in that there must be more than private judgment involved in adopting that position, but that's a different angle than continuing to pretend that these people are Catholic.

I believe that papa haereticus ipso facto depositus ab Ecclesia declarandus.


Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Matto on September 23, 2013, 03:06:53 PM
I am close to being a sedevacantist, though I have never been anti-sedevacantist since I joined tradition a few years ago. I cannot call Francis a Catholic. Some people say that means that he cannot be a pope. I don't know. Francis is a destroyer and not a shepherd. If he is a shepherd he is a shepherd of wolves and is leading them to devour the sheep.

P.S. I just learned today that two more members of my chapel are pro-Williamson but still attend Mass there because they consider it a better option than the indult or staying home (like me).
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: John Grace on September 23, 2013, 03:09:55 PM
Stgobnait posted this news from Ireland on another thread.

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Reports are, that the neo sspx pilgrimage to Knock, was attended by a large crowd, from all over the country, but mostly, the mid-lands. the 'acting' superior was present, as was the new prior of athlone, fr mac donald, and fr gallagher. from some of the comments heard, we need not expect a resistance pilgrimage anytime soon.


Should one distribute the letter still? A fairly public rebuke of the resistance.
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Infiguris on September 23, 2013, 11:13:25 PM
Quote from: Frances
:scratchchin:

For example even at the conference given by Bishop Williamson, despite hearing the facts and evidence, one lady present could not find anything wrong with what Bishop Fellay has said or done and spoke well of Bishop Fellay. I felt sorry for her.

/quote]

Since I started attending  SSPX church about 10 years ago, I noticed that, unfortunately, many people are actually very pious, but very average intelligent... I'm afraid that they  are the backbone of all the parishes in North America...What priests would say from the pulpit, they will believe even that actually in 2012 the SSPX just cleared up  the hostile elements....
Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 24, 2013, 08:05:15 PM
Quote from: Matthew
What an awesome letter from Fr. Hewko!

He was just here at our house, too! My family and I spiritually benefited by his words, his example, and the two Masses he said here.

I wish more people would have come out to listen to this very holy and courageous priest.

We need to print out this letter and pass it around to friends, family, and fellow parishioners. Fr. Hewko was written a very sober, sane, balanced, Catholic, and informative letter. He has done a lot of the work for us. We just need to send this out, and hopefully those of good will can react accordingly.





I second the motion --->  if I'm not already to late, that is.  
But I would recommend one addition to the letter you print out to distribute:  


Please copy Matthew's response, above, and paste it into the 3rd page
of the print-out, because there is likely a little room at the second half
of the page just begging for a little crowd applause.
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God bless Fr. Hewko for his courage and for his RESPONSE to God's grace!

And God Bless Matthew & Mater Dominici for providing this excellent website
and for their meet recognition of this fighter for the Faith of our Fathers,

Fr. David Hewko..............  let it be written............ and so let it be done.  



And furthermore, to those who are receiving solicitations from Fr. Rostand et.al.,
asking for more money, drop a copy of this Fr. Hewko letter in the envelope,
with a short note explaining that you're taking a serious second look at the
way you spend your Church budget allocation this year.  Maybe he'll notice that
for a change....And then again, maybe not (Lumiere from Beauty and the Beast).

~Nl.Obs.




Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Neil Obstat on September 24, 2013, 08:12:58 PM
Quote from: LKCTexas

Father Hewko, a true son of Mary and son of Archbishop Lefebvre, expressed well the hearts of us who love and want to keep the Faith.  Fr. Hewko refers to Our Lady of Good Success regarding compromise.  This compromise within the SSPX is the same deadly acid used within the post-Conciliar Church that has lead to the great apostasy.  I would suffice to say this diabolical silence grew into the monster it is from the silencing of Our Lady of Fatima, particularly in 1959 when Pope John XXIII silenced the third secret.  

It is clear that Rome is burning and SSPX leadership is fine just cozying up to the fire to warm itself as Peter did and proclaiming "I know not the man", while attempting to fashion SSPX into a comfy club of Catholic Tradition. Let us pray that SSPX leadership will also see the charitable rebuke from Our Lord as Peter did and weep for its sins.

I pray for all of the Bishops, Priests, Religious and Faithful of SSPX in my Rosaries and will pray that Father Hewko's letter will get wide spread distribution to the priests and faithful.  I myself will help in this cause when the opportunity arises.

For one I just received an appeal from the SSPX US District for financial support.  The enclosed letter from Fr. Rostand reads a bit like the Novus Ordo appeals from the local Diocese (see attached).  Before the SLIDE of SSPX into lukewarmness, with great gladness and joy I made contributions to a number of SSPX needs (Local chapel, Seminary, Monasteries, St. Mary's School and College) and purchased from Angelus Press.  Now we have to be told how to give.  We now mingle our sorrows with Fr. Hewko and all the Resistance priests for the direction SSPX leadership is going.

We know "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will Triumph" so we must pray that the Lord's Will be done even, as Our Lady said in Quito, when all appears lost, then will be the time of her triumph.

And in regards to Pope Francis, Bishop Williamson made an interesting point during his recent talk (I believe Sept 1, 2013, Our Lady of Fatima).  If Pope Benedict was forced to resign by the Masonic Order currently occupying the Vatican, then the election of Pope Francis may be invalid, leaving Benedict as Pope.  None the less, we must follow Our Lady's request to pray much for the Holy Father.

Vivat Christus Rex!
Patrick




I see you just have two posts, LKCTexas.  Welcome to TexasInfo -- I mean, CathInfo.  

I hope to see more posts like this, above.  

Please consider adding a copy of Fr. Hewko's letter to any correspondence you
may send to Fr. Rostand-and-Band.  If we all would do this simple thing, it
would really make a difference.  Don't let the ball drop!  Pick it up and make a
touchdown!  Fr. Hewko won't mind.  He's on our team... in fact, he threw the
pass!  Go for it!  



Title: Open Appeal to the Superiors of the Society of St. Pius X
Post by: Kazimierz on September 25, 2013, 06:58:05 PM
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He's on our team... in fact, he threw the
pass!  Go for it!


And certainly not your ordinary Hail Mary one either!


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(Lumiere from Beauty and the Beast).


As the Menzingen $$$ grabbers would sing..

"Fill our chest, fill our chest,
with gold pieces, they are the best!"

Good to see you again N of the O!

(Texasinfo  :laugh1:
 :laugh1: :laugh1: )

Dont mess with Dixie, Dont mess with the South, Dont talk ill of Our Lady and His Mother or I'll shove cotton down yer mouth! (and a cottonmouth elsewhere. Ahem. :smirk: )