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Re: On Love of Pope Francis
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2023, 10:30:41 AM »
Good one!


The Pope is the guardian of dogma and of morals; he is the custodian of the principles that make families sound, nations great, souls holy; he is the counsellor of princes and of peoples; he is the head under whom no one feels tyrannized because he represents God Himself; he is the supreme father who unites in himself all that may exist that is loving, tender, divine.
It seems incredible, and is even painful, that there be priests to whom this recommendation must be made, but we are regrettably in our age in this hard, unhappy, situation of having to tell priests: love the Pope!
And how must the Pope be loved? Non verbo neque lingua, sed opere et veritate. [Not in word, nor in tongue, but in deed, and in truth - 1 Jn iii, 18] When one loves a person, one tries to adhere in everything to his thoughts, to fulfill his will, to perform his wishes. And if Our Lord Jesus Christ said of Himself, "si quis diligit me, sermonem meum servabit," [if any one love me, he will keep my word - Jn xiv, 23] therefore, in order to demonstrate our love for the Pope, it is necessary to obey him.
Therefore, when we love the Pope, there are no discussions regarding what he orders or demands, or up to what point obedience must go, and in what things he is to be obeyed; when we love the Pope, we do not say that he has not spoken clearly enough, almost as if he were forced to repeat to the ear of each one the will clearly expressed so many times not only in person, but with letters and other public docuмents; we do not place his orders in doubt, adding the facile pretext of those unwilling to obey - that it is not the Pope who commands, but those who surround him; we do not limit the field in which he might and must exercise his authority; we do not set above the authority of the Pope that of other persons, however learned, who dissent from the Pope, who, even though learned, are not holy, because whoever is holy cannot dissent from the Pope.
This is the cry of a heart filled with pain, that with deep sadness I express, not for your sake, dear brothers, but to deplore, with you, the conduct of so many priests, who not only allow themselves to debate and criticize the wishes of the Pope, but are not embarrassed to reach shameless and blatant disobedience, with so much scandal for the good and with so great damage to souls.

Saint Pius X
Allocution Vi ringrazio to priests on the 50th anniversary of the Apostolic Union
November 18, 1912


It's one of my favorite!

Re: On Love of Pope Francis
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2023, 10:47:56 AM »
Except that the Pope is not Our Lord and Savior. I can understand how some might confuse the two.

We can love our enemies and pray for them. That's what Our Lord prescribed. Didn't Our Lord care about and love Judas Iscariot, for example? He didn't require that the other apostles love Judas, but he did warn that one of them would betray Him. Our Lord himself chose Judas for an Apostle, and must have known what he was. And yet he never gave Judas the boot. He gave him every chance to change instead.

No... the Pope is not Our Lord... but Our Lord did say, "He who heareth you heareth me."

If anyone is confused, it's either all of the people who think their pope is their enemy or SAINT PIUS X himself. He wrote what I posted. YES. THE POPE, SAINT PIUS X. Is he confused?



Offline Meg

Re: On Love of Pope Francis
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2023, 11:15:45 AM »
If anyone is confused, it's either all of the people who think their pope is their enemy or SAINT PIUS X himself. He wrote what I posted. YES. THE POPE, SAINT PIUS X. Is he confused?

It's not a matter of confusion. It's a matter of opinion. And it isn't necessarily an issue of "either all the people...," as you write above. 

During a severe Crisis in the Church, as we are now and have been experiencing for 60+ years, there are gray areas. St. Pius X worked to expose the evils of modernism, but even he knew that Modernism could affect the Papacy one day. And it has done, rather severely. We (well, a few of us on this forum) accept Francis as the Pope, but we do not follow him in error.

Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: On Love of Pope Francis
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2023, 11:28:31 AM »
It's one of my favorite!

What it actually (and unfortunately) comes down to is the Ultramontanes vs the Gallicans. The SSPX instilled in the minds of many of it’s adherents an unorthodox and dangerous understanding of the papacy. 

As is demonstrated in Meg’s post above, she displays a position that can’t be reconciled with Catholic doctrine.

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Re: On Love of Pope Francis
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2023, 11:36:46 AM »
As is demonstrated in Meg’s post above, she displays a position that can’t be reconciled with Catholic doctrine.

It's more a matter of your opinion of Catholic doctrine that can't be reconciled with. That's fine with me, since I'm no respecter of laymen's opinions, if those opinions are extreme.