Author Topic: OLMC Official Statement Regarding Ambrose Moran (Read 10674 times)

TheRealMcCoy · « **on:** November 07, 2015, 09:04:02 PM »

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November 7th, 2015

Dear faithful,

After further investigation, the Seminary of Our Lady of Mount Carmel in Boston, Kentucky, has decided not to associate with Archbishop Ambrose Moran.

Please keep our nine seminarians and brothers in your prayers and we thank all who are praying for our apostolate.

In Christ the King and the Immaculate Heart of Mary,

Father Joseph Pfeiffer

Father David Hewko

http://www.filiimariae.org/2015/11/statement-from-our-lady-of-mount-carmel-seminary-concerning-archbishop-ambrose-moran-communique-du-seminaire-our-lady-of-mount-carme

Marlelar · « **Reply #1 on:** November 07, 2015, 09:14:28 PM »

A welcomed step in the right direction.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #2 on:** November 07, 2015, 09:18:27 PM »

Why not?

Note that whomever penned the "letter" attaches the title ARCHbishop to Moran.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #3 on:** November 07, 2015, 10:49:14 PM »

UPDATE: There is a thread containing links to ALL the threads about so-called Bishop Ambrose Moran:

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-Mr-Ambrose-Moran-the-Orthodox

Quote from: Mithrandylan

Why not?

Note that whomever [sic] penned the "letter" attaches the title ARCHbishop to Moran.

Whoever penned the letter gave the quoted website what it needs to post the following title on their homepage ( http://www.filiimariae.org/ ), in English and in French:

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Statement from Our
Lady of Mount Carmel
Seminary concerning
Archbishop Ambrose
Moran - Communiqué
du Séminaire Our Lady
of Mount Carmel
concernant Monseigneur
Ambrose Moran

We are publishing the following statement at the
request of Father Joseph Pfeiffer and Father
David Hewko. Nous publions le docuмent
suivant à la demande de Messieurs les abbés
Joseph Pfeiffer et David Hewko (version
française ci-dessous). * * * November...

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #4 on:** November 07, 2015, 11:15:04 PM »

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One other Resistance site has the same page (filii mariae in Canada) linked with the following title:

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Statement from Our Lady of Mount Carmel Seminary concerning Archbishop Ambrose Moran
7 November 2015

A few days prior (the 4th), Ambrose Moran's name is found in another article, but they don't use "Archbishop":

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Decree Appointing Bishop Ambrose Moran as Successor for the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church in the U.S.A.
4 November 2015

That's from ecclesiamilitans. I checked what I guess is all the rest and found nothing.
Half of them are dormant or under reconstruction.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #5 on:** November 07, 2015, 11:23:18 PM »

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I get a creepy feeling about this "official statement."

If it were to be openly and officially announced, wouldn't Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko choose a more recognized venue than one little website in Canada?

It might make sense that PTM (Pablo) is not cooperating with them and that's why there is no word of this on the PTMP website. (second P=Production)

As it is, it has the aspect of a trial balloon, especially with the "Archbishop" tag attached.

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Gregory I · « **Reply #6 on:** November 07, 2015, 11:36:24 PM »

May God preserve them from High Church Protestantism...

cebu · « **Reply #7 on:** November 08, 2015, 12:52:23 AM »

Their statement would indicate that they still consider him to be a bishop so that is not the problem they find with him. Also there is no apology to the laity who went to his 'mass'. Did anyone go to 'confession' to him?

The arrogance of these two priests is so much worse than what we experienced in the SSPX. At least they have managed to sweep Fr Voigt's letter under the carpet for now.

They and their ilk must be red-lighted immediately.

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #8 on:** November 08, 2015, 01:21:40 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

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I get a creepy feeling about this "official statement."

If it were to be openly and officially announced, wouldn't Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko choose a more recognized venue than one little website in Canada?

It might make sense that PTM (Pablo) is not cooperating with them and that's why there is no word of this on the PTMP website. (second P=Production)

As it is, it has the aspect of a trial balloon, especially with the "Archbishop" tag attached.

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Maybe it means they have realized it would be better for them to have someone other than Pablo distributing their "official" statements and are using other outlets.

This is wonderful news, an answer to many prayers. Thanks be to God.

richard · « **Reply #9 on:** November 08, 2015, 05:00:14 AM »

Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant

Quote from: Neil Obstat
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I get a creepy feeling about this "official statement."

If it were to be openly and officially announced, wouldn't Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko choose a more recognized venue than one little website in Canada?

It might make sense that PTM (Pablo) is not cooperating with them and that's why there is no word of this on the PTMP website. (second P=Production)

As it is, it has the aspect of a trial balloon, especially with the "Archbishop" tag attached.

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Maybe it means they have realized it would be better for them to have someone other than Pablo distributing their "official" statements and are using other outlets.

This is wonderful news, an answer to many prayers. Thanks be to God.

So is Fr.P going to apologize to Bp.W. or is he going to continue on his own and try to find another Bishop some where else?

Centroamerica · « **Reply #10 on:** November 08, 2015, 06:02:18 AM »

Quote from: richard

Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
Quote from: Neil Obstat
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I get a creepy feeling about this "official statement."

If it were to be openly and officially announced, wouldn't Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko choose a more recognized venue than one little website in Canada?

It might make sense that PTM (Pablo) is not cooperating with them and that's why there is no word of this on the PTMP website. (second P=Production)

As it is, it has the aspect of a trial balloon, especially with the "Archbishop" tag attached.

.

Maybe it means they have realized it would be better for them to have someone other than Pablo distributing their "official" statements and are using other outlets.

This is wonderful news, an answer to many prayers. Thanks be to God.

So is Fr.P going to apologize to Bp.W. or is he going to continue on his own and try to find another Bishop some where else?

Something tells me that this mess is far from over.

Ecclesiae · « **Reply #11 on:** November 08, 2015, 07:10:32 AM »

The same situation as it was with Bishop Fellay and the SSPX!

1. Bishop Fellay wanted an agreement with Rome (he wants it).

1. Fr Pfeiffer wanted an agreement with Moran Ambrose, he wanted to be connected with him and use him in his own interest.

2. Many faithful and some priests were greatly disturbed and angry (the Resistance was born) and by that he (bishop Fellay) was prevented to HANDOVER the SOCIETY to ROME (but in 2012 they already did... although not officially).

2. Many faithful and some priests were greatly disturbed and angry (the TRUE or a NEW Resistance was born!) and by that he (Fr Pfeiffer) was prevented to HANDOVER the SOCIETY to AMBROSE (and the Orthodox Church!).

BUT THE KY SITUATION IS MUCH MORE WORSE! While B. Fellay apologized and said that an agreement is not possible because of the apostasy of the city of Rome ... Fr Pfeiffer and Fr Hewko do not apologize themselves!
They still insist to call Ambrose Moran "Archbishop!" and are not ashamed to have left him celebrate Mass in "Resistance chapels"!

You cannot force someone to admit they were wrong or apologize. In this case, even if they admit it, one must unfortunately expect that this only happens for their own interests, not those of our Lord Jesus Christ.

"For they all seek after their own interests, not those of Christ Jesus." Philippians 2:21

To attend their mass and "seminary" makes them complicit...

Croixalist · « **Reply #12 on:** November 08, 2015, 07:13:46 AM »

This can be summed up in one phrase: too little, too late. All credibility has been lost, all good faith has been squandered. Only God knows what the appropriate penance might be for this, but it's time to drop the pretense of having an actual seminary.

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #13 on:** November 08, 2015, 07:36:27 AM »

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To attend their mass and "seminary" makes them complicit...

Can you provide a reference to a catechism or such that you used to come to this decision? Because I don't think attending their Masses makes someone complicit if they are not associated with Ambrose any longer. Assuming the motive for attending their Masses is the salvation of one's soul that is the greater good.

Would like to hear your explantion.

Ecclesiae · « **Reply #14 on:** November 08, 2015, 08:32:53 AM »

It is the old same story as with the Novus Ordo and the SSPX. Who attend the SSPX MC Mass and listen to the sermons of these priests, exposes himself to great danger of being manipulated and to be brainwashed... Do not forget that the devil can seduce souls even in Mass and we know how wonderful Father Pfeiffer can preach (and the actions?)... He and Fr Hewko can so wonderful preach that you trust them and therefore you went in the sacrilegious Mass of the OLMC Chapel. You've participated at the sacrilegious Mass of Moran Ambrose. To make myself understood I don´t need to quote the Catechism. With enough common sense and love to Christ you will realize that the best and wisest thing you can do is: to avoid in future the mass of these priests... and to do penance.

Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God! Deuteronomy 6:16
Getting wisdom is the wisest thing you can do!