Author Topic: Ok then, what should we do? Argument (Read 1945 times)

Matthew · « **on:** September 16, 2019, 11:14:31 AM »

Inconveniences, privations, sufferings, etc. are not an automatic no-go. The real question is: What is God's will, which can only be determined by the virtue of prudence.

What informs or fuels our virtue of prudence? Information. Knowledge. We can't make prudent decisions unless and until we are in possession of all the facts.
Laboring under various errors and delusions will only lead to imprudent decisions on our part.

I know one thing for sure: Turning one's head away from the truth, willfully, is evil. Rejecting truth and embracing error never helped a single soul get into Heaven, but it did help many souls into Hell.
So whatever happens, we should strive to be faithful to the truth. Never reject it when you encounter it.

God bless,

Matthew

On 9/15/19 6:54 PM, Catholic Man wrote:

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Matthew: Again, so what does this mean for Trad families? What do you propose?

Avoid the SSPX, FSSP, Institute of Christ the King, the Institute of Christ the King and all diocesan parishes that offer the TLM?

And what would the rationale be for the that? Where do we go to practice the Catholic Faith and receive the sacraments?

Best regards,
<Catholic Man>

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** September 16, 2019, 12:12:49 PM »

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I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said. But what we know for sure is what the church taught and teaches and that the hierarchy is responsible for teaching the face and we are responsible to live in the face, receiving the sacraments worthily, and spreading the gospel.

So again, if the sspx and the other options I presented are not Catholic enough, then to whom should we turn?

I am sincerely inquiring.

Well, I can tell you what I'm doing personally, but you are the man of your own house, responsible for guiding your family (especially in the Faith) using the virtue of prudence. You are responsible before God for your family; I am responsible before God for my family.

Prudent decisions are not black-and-white or the same for all and sundry. They depend on your own situation, your options, etc.

So I can't tell you what to do, nor will I attempt to.

Personally I've been supporting the good priests who have stood up for the truth, and determined to carry on the old SSPX position of +Archbishop Lefebvre. The FSSP position has been available for years (since 1988) and I have politely declined it until now. I have no interest in changing my prudent reaction to the Crisis in the Church. I do not wish to adopt the FSSP position; I see no reason to change. The SSPX is trying to force us all to change, and that's not good.

I believe the SSPX ("recognize and resist") position is as necessary, prudent, and valid as it ever was. The FSSP doesn't do enough "resist" and the sedevacantists don't "recognize". So I stick with the blessed, fruitful, and prudent position of +ABL which is the old SSPX position.

There are priests around the world who have left the SSPX (so they are well-trained, validly ordained, etc.) but they aren't part of the new SSPX machine. They got off the SSPX train headed back to Rome. So I support these priests and attend Mass with them, as often as possible.

There are some who say that no one should attend the SSPX under any circuмstances. This is nicknamed the "Red Light" position. I do not hold that position.
I hold the "Yellow Light" position, which means that attending the SSPX Masses -- or not -- is a question of prudence, not dogma. Some can still attend their Masses, but it is also permitted to stop attending. Also, we should be preparing for a world without the SSPX as an option. Today the SSPX should be considered a lifeboat that has sprung a leak. You may stay for a while, but please be careful! Don't end up drowning.

I am helping to build up a new chapel close to me, another option for the Tridentine Mass, served by priests faithful to +ABL. We only have monthly Mass at the moment, but thanks to our efforts and perseverance, we hope (by God's grace) to eventually get weekly Mass. But we need to work hard and stay faithful, to show God we care about the Faith and the future of Tradition. I have a large family with young children to be raised Catholic.

What happens if some SSPX chapels are merged with Indult locations, for example? Once the SSPX is fully merged, why would they maintain old, inadequate chapels (few SSPX chapels are true "churches" in terms of architecture) when the Indult is saying Mass at an actual church or cathedral? That would serve the needs of "Latin Mass Catholics" on paper, but it would mean attending a church with Novus Ordo banners all over the place. It would be harmful to the Faith just to attend such a place on a weekly basis. Even the simple idea that the Novus Ordo is "ordinary" and the Latin Mass is "extraordinary" is toxic to the Faith.

These are very realistic dangers and logical outcomes -- almost a best-case scenario -- of where the SSPX is headed. I believe it would be foolish to not take heed and prepare.

I hope this helps,

Matthew

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #2 on:** September 16, 2019, 12:42:43 PM »

Okay, I may sound like I'm "out there" with this response, but here goes anyway.

I'm not a Bennyvacantist. Lately, though, I've been leaning a bit further THAN EVEN THEY, and I have actually considered that Pope Francis is none other than The beast of Revelations---the one who props up another beast (the materialistic/globohomo paradigm is that 2nd beast). He is like "the beast that is and is not" in Chapter 17, and he and the cabal of satanic/communist/lavendar mafia within the Church hierarchy have pretty much turned Rome into a prostitute with what they've done. I try to gently talk about all of this in last night's post. Basically, I am leaning towards the idea that The RCC as we know it has been turned into the whore of Babylon. I could be wrong. God, help me, I could be wrong. But it all seems to line up. God help us all.

So...with that in mind, if we take a look at Revelation 18:4-5, it recommends:

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Go out from her, my people; that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and the Lord hath remembered her iniquities.

Skipping ahead in the passage, Revelation 18:24's description of The Harlot shows how The Harlot shares the past/legacy of the RCC:

And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

And, at some point---we know from a multitude of Catholic prophecy---that Rome will be destroyed (along with Paris) in the future. But as you can read here, there is/will be some message at some point telling us that we are to somehow separate/divide ourselves from some part of the RCC. Maybe it's simply a warning to get out of Rome itself? I do not know.

But for the meantime, what do we do in the present? "Avoid the SSPX, FSSP, Institute of Christ the King, the Institute of Christ the King and all diocesan parishes that offer the TLM?" I do not think that God is going to begrudge us for trying to worship Him in the best manner we know how. These stated parameters of worship are good and acceptable, I believe. I think that---for now---attending these things is acceptable until we hear Further Instruction. I believe we are on the cusp of hearing some real-time Divine Interventional Instructions.

But most of all---and particular to the OP's question---I believe that we faithful Catholics who continue to worship at the TLM are in the right. We are in clear opposition to The Beast, and we know that we are the enemies of The Beast because we are being singled out and targeted for destruction by Globohomo.

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And a voice came out from the throne, saying: Give praise to our God, all ye his servants; and you that fear him, little and great.

And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of great thunders, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord our God the Almighty hath reigned.

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give glory to him; for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath prepared herself.

And it is granted to her that she should clothe herself with fine linen, glittering and white. For the fine linen are the justifications of saints.

And he said to me: Write: Blessed are they that are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith to me: These words of God are true.

And I fell down before his feet, to adore him. And he saith to me: See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren, who have the testimony of Jesus. Adore God. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Revelation 19:5-10

Franciscan Solitary · « **Reply #3 on:** September 17, 2019, 12:06:06 AM »

Quote from: LaramieHirsch on September 16, 2019, 12:42:43 PM

Okay, I may sound like I'm "out there" with this response, but here goes anyway.

I'm not a Bennyvacantist. Lately, though, I've been leaning a bit further THAN EVEN THEY, and I have actually considered that Pope Francis is none other than The beast of Revelations---the one who props up another beast (the materialistic/globohomo paradigm is that 2nd beast). He is like "the beast that is and is not" in Chapter 17, and he and the cabal of satanic/communist/lavendar mafia within the Church hierarchy have pretty much turned Rome into a prostitute with what they've done. I try to gently talk about all of this in last night's post. Basically, I am leaning towards the idea that The RCC as we know it has been turned into the whore of Babylon. I could be wrong. God, help me, I could be wrong. But it all seems to line up. God help us all.

So...with that in mind, if we take a look at Revelation 18:4-5, it recommends:

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Go out from her, my people; that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and the Lord hath remembered her iniquities.

Skipping ahead in the passage, Revelation 18:24's description of The Harlot shows how The Harlot shares the past/legacy of the RCC:

And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

And, at some point---we know from a multitude of Catholic prophecy---that Rome will be destroyed (along with Paris) in the future. But as you can read here, there is/will be some message at some point telling us that we are to somehow separate/divide ourselves from some part of the RCC. Maybe it's simply a warning to get out of Rome itself? I do not know.

But for the meantime, what do we do in the present? "Avoid the SSPX, FSSP, Institute of Christ the King, the Institute of Christ the King and all diocesan parishes that offer the TLM?" I do not think that God is going to begrudge us for trying to worship Him in the best manner we know how. These stated parameters of worship are good and acceptable, I believe. I think that---for now---attending these things is acceptable until we hear Further Instruction. I believe we are on the cusp of hearing some real-time Divine Interventional Instructions.

But most of all---and particular to the OP's question---I believe that we faithful Catholics who continue to worship at the TLM are in the right. We are in clear opposition to The Beast, and we know that we are the enemies of The Beast because we are being singled out and targeted for destruction by Globohomo.

At least some few are on the right track. Of course Pope Bergoglio is the False Prophet of the Apocalypse. What else could such an incomparably vile thing be? Pope Bergoglio is become the Antichrist — in person. Full stop.

“God help us.” Let’s always remember that such words express our greatest hope and strongest confidence. Men can and often do help us in the little things, but in everything great and lasting it is always God alone who helps us. Every time. This is real hope, not anything to feel gloomy about.

The prophetic destruction of Rome and Paris refer to Catholic Rome and Paris. Those cities have been destroyed long since. We are at the end of human history. (Catholic) Rome and Paris are no more.

“Further Instruction.” We are very much on the cusp of that.

“…destruction by Globohomo.” There is some divine irony here. It is the sodomites who are on the verge of destruction, not the faithful remnant. How true it is that the ways of God are not the ways of men!

It is good here to have some Catholic sense for how it is that the Catholics have always been ruled by the military class, the Catholic aristocracy. Why is that? It is because Catholic history is specifically characterised by the apocalyptic. Our Catholic history is uniquely a series of eschatons, unlike the history of any other part of the human race. Catholic history is a steadily intensifying apocalypse; that is what defines our history.

Hence the Romans (the Pan-Europeans) are the incomparably military (and noble) people among all the others. We Catholics are endlessly accused of combatting and eradicating heretics and their heresies from the face of the earth. But this is simply the expression of the apocalyptic reality of our Catholic history. It is our eschatons, our victories over heresy, that bring the generations of Catholics their eternal life. Each taking up their part in the apocalypses of our long and exceedingly heroic history is what wins for us the prize of eternal life.

The Eschaton is the height, the culmination of hope. The furthest remove from mere common despair. Why are our contemporaries so frozen in hysteric terror? What are they so afraid of? The answer is simple, all too simple: Our Lord appears among us. The human race knows this with great instinctive clarity. Hence the unprecedented fear and hatred of the Catholics. This world is disintegrating before our eyes, more every day. That is because Christ Himself is appearing before us, with a more blinding clarity every day.

The Catholics are gripped by the troubles of the Papacy. Better that we should focus our thoughts on the blindingly bright light that is rising among us, already shattering this world around us to smithereens. He is among us, and the whole world knows extremely well His New Name…

Let us simply celebrate our Latin Masses and humbly rejoice in the terrible glory of His Second Coming that is so fearfully much upon us.

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #4 on:** September 17, 2019, 12:15:55 AM »

Quote from: Franciscan Solitary on September 17, 2019, 12:06:06 AM

The Catholics are gripped by the troubles of the Papacy. Better that we should focus our thoughts on the blindingly bright light that is rising among us, already shattering this world around us to smithereens. He is among us, and the whole world knows extremely well His New Name…

Let us simply celebrate our Latin Masses and humbly rejoice in the terrible glory of His Second Coming that is so fearfully much upon us.

All quite true. On the other hand, God doesn't forewarn us and give us signs for nothing. His signs, their fulfillment, and our noticing them are a kind of grand dialogue.

Tonight, I've read that a lot of folks think that the pope was going to be the 2nd beast of the Apocalypse. Not the 1st. I'll have to re-read things, reconsider, and perhaps write more of this.

Franciscan Solitary · « **Reply #5 on:** September 17, 2019, 02:52:54 AM »

Quote from: LaramieHirsch on September 17, 2019, 12:15:55 AM

All quite true. On the other hand, God doesn't forewarn us and give us signs for nothing. His signs, their fulfillment, and our noticing them are a kind of grand dialogue.

Tonight, I've read that a lot of folks think that the pope was going to be the 2nd beast of the Apocalypse. Not the 1st. I'll have to re-read things, reconsider, and perhaps write more of this.

In his writings Padre Basilio Méramo has presented prophecies that the spiritual Antichrist inherits the powers of the temporal Antichrist and becomes thereby the final Antichrist as such. Some read the Apocalypse in this light. Evidently Obama is the First Beast, Bergoglio the Second Beast and Obama has given up his powers to Pope Bergoglio. Spirit triumphs once again over matter. It is interesting that the mothers of both men were Jєωesses; they are both Communists. The ways of the Almighty among men form a great mystery.

2Vermont · « **Reply #6 on:** September 17, 2019, 04:51:42 AM »

Quote from: LaramieHirsch on September 16, 2019, 12:42:43 PM

Okay, I may sound like I'm "out there" with this response, but here goes anyway.

I'm not a Bennyvacantist. Lately, though, I've been leaning a bit further THAN EVEN THEY, and I have actually considered that Pope Francis is none other than The beast of Revelations---the one who props up another beast (the materialistic/globohomo paradigm is that 2nd beast). He is like "the beast that is and is not" in Chapter 17, and he and the cabal of satanic/communist/lavendar mafia within the Church hierarchy have pretty much turned Rome into a prostitute with what they've done. I try to gently talk about all of this in last night's post. Basically, I am leaning towards the idea that The RCC as we know it has been turned into the whore of Babylon. I could be wrong. God, help me, I could be wrong. But it all seems to line up. God help us all.

So...with that in mind, if we take a look at Revelation 18:4-5, it recommends:

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Go out from her, my people; that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and the Lord hath remembered her iniquities.

Skipping ahead in the passage, Revelation 18:24's description of The Harlot shows how The Harlot shares the past/legacy of the RCC:

And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

And, at some point---we know from a multitude of Catholic prophecy---that Rome will be destroyed (along with Paris) in the future. But as you can read here, there is/will be some message at some point telling us that we are to somehow separate/divide ourselves from some part of the RCC. Maybe it's simply a warning to get out of Rome itself? I do not know.

But for the meantime, what do we do in the present? "Avoid the SSPX, FSSP, Institute of Christ the King, the Institute of Christ the King and all diocesan parishes that offer the TLM?" I do not think that God is going to begrudge us for trying to worship Him in the best manner we know how. These stated parameters of worship are good and acceptable, I believe. I think that---for now---attending these things is acceptable until we hear Further Instruction. I believe we are on the cusp of hearing some real-time Divine Interventional Instructions.

But most of all---and particular to the OP's question---I believe that we faithful Catholics who continue to worship at the TLM are in the right. We are in clear opposition to The Beast, and we know that we are the enemies of The Beast because we are being singled out and targeted for destruction by Globohomo.

The Roman Catholic Church is indefectible; however, I do believe that the Novus Ordo sect is the Whore of Babylon. It is interesting that Revelations very clearly states to "go out from her". The question is, what does that mean? Is it enough to go to the TLM...especially one that is offered in her? I would think not.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #7 on:** September 17, 2019, 10:12:46 AM »

We are living in the general "end times" but it is not THE end time (i.e. time of the antichrist). The Church Fathers are unanimous on many things related to the end times, 3 things of which have yet to happen before the antichrist comes onto the scene:
1) the whole world will be catholic - there will be one faith, one Lord, one baptism (this has nothing to do with 3 baptisms...)
2) the whole world is ruled by the last king of the Holy Roman Empire
3) The Empire's ruler (...Great Monarch?) dies and the Empire is split into 10 kingdoms and there is war between these kingdoms.
4) The antichrist takes charge of 7 of the kingdoms and conquers the 3 who would not bow to him.
5) The antichrist is given power over all kingdoms and creates a world govt and religion, somehow involving Jerusalem.
6) The Great Apostasy is that most of the catholic world would accept the antichrist (100% meaning governments are catholic, not necessarily all people)
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Our Lady said that Her Immaculate Heart will triumph and there will be peace. Scripture is very clear that the antichrist is defeated by Christ Himself, not Our Lady. So, Our Lady's victory is BEFORE the age of the antichrist, and her age of peace is the 6th age. We are living now in the end of the 5th age and Our Lady will have victory of satan's forces of communism/Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ (which are the precursors to the antichrist). Our Lady's peace is the precursor of Christ's peace, which happens after the antichrist and before the end of the world.
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5th age - Protestantism, communism, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ...ends with rise of the Great Monarch and the 3 days of Darkness
6th age - Our Lady's peace for the world and the Church and the last Holy Roman Empire, under the Great Monarch
7th age - Death of the Great Monarch, dissolving of the Holy Roman Empire, rise of antichrist and eventual conquering of antichrist by Christ's 2nd coming. End of world.

Franciscan Solitary · « **Reply #8 on:** September 17, 2019, 05:59:48 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on September 17, 2019, 10:12:46 AM

We are living in the general "end times" but it is not THE end time (i.e. time of the antichrist). The Church Fathers are unanimous on many things related to the end times, 3 things of which have yet to happen before the antichrist comes onto the scene:
1) the whole world will be catholic - there will be one faith, one Lord, one baptism (this has nothing to do with 3 baptisms...)
2) the whole world is ruled by the last king of the Holy Roman Empire
3) The Empire's ruler (...Great Monarch?) dies and the Empire is split into 10 kingdoms and there is war between these kingdoms.
4) The antichrist takes charge of 7 of the kingdoms and conquers the 3 who would not bow to him.
5) The antichrist is given power over all kingdoms and creates a world govt and religion, somehow involving Jerusalem.
6) The Great Apostasy is that most of the catholic world would accept the antichrist (100% meaning governments are catholic, not necessarily all people)
..
Our Lady said that Her Immaculate Heart will triumph and there will be peace. Scripture is very clear that the antichrist is defeated by Christ Himself, not Our Lady. So, Our Lady's victory is BEFORE the age of the antichrist, and her age of peace is the 6th age. We are living now in the end of the 5th age and Our Lady will have victory of satan's forces of communism/Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ (which are the precursors to the antichrist). Our Lady's peace is the precursor of Christ's peace, which happens after the antichrist and before the end of the world.
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5th age - Protestantism, communism, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ...ends with rise of the Great Monarch and the 3 days of Darkness
6th age - Our Lady's peace for the world and the Church and the last Holy Roman Empire, under the Great Monarch
7th age - Death of the Great Monarch, dissolving of the Holy Roman Empire, rise of antichrist and eventual conquering of antichrist by Christ's 2nd coming. End of world.

There are two important issues that Holy Church has always been wisely flexible about: Firstly, the exact details of what Heaven is like. Secondly, how Catholics should interpret the details of the Apocalypse. So there is no required doctrinal unanimity among Catholics on the six points listed above.

The predominant Catholic understanding has been that Our Lady of Fatima indicated that the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart is synonymous with the Second Coming of Our Lord in power and glory. The Two Hearts of Jesus and Mary are inseparable and one could never triumph without the other. Hence the key message of the Marian Apparition of Fatima has been understood by the historic Catholic mainstream as precisely the announcement that the Apocalypse is nigh. A Catholic pronouncement that a humanist reform along the lines of Kant, Hegel and Marx was nigh would scarcely have aroused the bitter oppostion that Fatima did in fact arouse through the last century.

According to the historic Catholic consensus there can be no temporal pease on earth without the temporal presence on earth of Our Lord in person. There was an actual peace on earth during the reign of Caesar Augustus because Our Lord was personally present on earth at that time. There is not any such peace on earth until His return to the earth in power and glory at the time of His Second Coming. No God-man on earth in person, no real actual peace on earth, with no exceptions made. Not even for St. Joseph or Our Lady or my own beloved Seraphic Patriarch St. Francis of Assisi. The personal presence of God alone brings peace on earth.

The understanding that the seventh millennium beginning in the year 2000 A.D. would entail the Second Coming of Our Lord on earth is actually the majority view among the actual historic Church Fathers of the Catholic Church. Even St. Jerome shared in this majority view. Hence the understanding that we are presently in the Seventh Age is quite permissible. And exceedingly so.

A few more relevant points: It has been generally assumed that the Great Monarch must also be the Last Roman Emperor. Whoever we might designate as such a man, it should be clear enough that the Last Roman Emperor was some time ago. Pope Leo XIII thought that Kaiser Wilhelm II was the Last Roman Emperor and, be that as it may and whoever the Last Emperor might have been, surely we can see by now that the great Catholic monarchs are no more. Also the predominant view among the Fathers has been that the Second Coming and the End of the World are by no means that same thing. The usual standard estimate among the historic Church Fathers has been that the year 2000 A.D. would indicate the proximity of the Second Coming, but that the End of the World would occur circa the year 2500 A.D. And then the actual Final and Last Judgment would ensue circa the year 3000 A.D. After which the Endless Day. Just saying…

So perhaps we had best be honing up on our Latin. That is the language in which Our Lord is going to be addressing us. It would be a great pity for Catholics not to be ready to answer Him in proper form.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #9 on:** September 17, 2019, 07:00:14 PM »

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So there is no required doctrinal unanimity among Catholics on the six points listed above.

The vast majority of Church Fathers agree on the 6 points I listed. I believe that they are unanimous on #1. Daniel's prophecy in Scripture is related to #3, #4, #5...so they are unanimous on these as well...with #6 being a logical conclusion of these, plus point #1. Point #2 also follows logically all these points.

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #10 on:** September 17, 2019, 11:19:30 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on September 17, 2019, 04:51:42 AM

It is interesting that Revelations very clearly states to "go out from her". The question is, what does that mean?

I don't know. "Go out from her." When? From where? Go out from an institution? Or go out from a literal city, Rome? Will we hear instructions for when to do this?

I know that Rome is to be burned up pretty badly, according to prophecy. So, yeah---definitely go out from the city before THAT happens. But...isn't it also metaphorical?

Most Catholic prophecy keeps repeating the same message: The Church will become corrupted to the highest levels. But what do we do about it? And when?

And also...just listen to us. Listen to how we are trying to figure out how to collectively deal with this problem. Listen to how democratic we sound. As though we are to form a committee, community organize, and find a "people power" way of dealing with this issue. Is it right to be this way? I don't know.

Franciscan Solitary · « **Reply #11 on:** September 20, 2019, 01:00:47 AM »

Quote from: LaramieHirsch on September 17, 2019, 11:19:30 PM

I don't know. "Go out from her." When? From where? Go out from an institution? Or go out from a literal city, Rome? Will we hear instructions for when to do this?

I know that Rome is to be burned up pretty badly, according to prophecy. So, yeah---definitely go out from the city before THAT happens. But...isn't it also metaphorical?

Most Catholic prophecy keeps repeating the same message: The Church will become corrupted to the highest levels. But what do we do about it? And when?

And also...just listen to us. Listen to how we are trying to figure out how to collectively deal with this problem. Listen to how democratic we sound. As though we are to form a committee, community organize, and find a "people power" way of dealing with this issue. Is it right to be this way? I don't know.

Evidently to “go out from” the Great Apostasy, from the Novus Ordo and as possible into the Latin liturgy and language. From the burning City of Rome that is what remains of our horribly abused Catholic Christian Western Civilisation.

Surely “the point” must be that Catholics are not to “figure out” what is to be done “in committee”. The men should simply hold the ground where we are and await orders. Our Lord will provide every order that can be required as He decides, “flashing across the sky from East to West”, as is said.

And for the ladies everything ought to be much simpler — they are to embody our Western Civilisation in their own humble yet priceless and awesomely privileged sanctuaries of Heaven here on earth.

We have a few legitimate Catholic Lord Bishops and a few actual Catholic Lords. Il capitano Salvini will soon enough lead another March On Rome to deal with that loathsome Antichrist currently holed up in the Santa Marta Guesthouse.

Our Lord Christ the King will command His Lords Spiritual and Lords Temporal. No need for us to go into committees to do that for Him. Our Lord is King. He will make His commands crystal clear to us, with a Voice deafeningly loud as peals of thunder and mounted on a White Horse unbearably bright as flashing bolts of lightning.

No need for committees. None at all. When Christ the King barks out His orders, have no fear. There will be no mistaking His words.

Syracuse · « **Reply #12 on:** September 25, 2019, 02:02:49 AM »

Jesus is Truth & He will slaughter all of His enemies
They hate Jesus Christ, and they hate, persecute and kill you on account of His Name. Do not despair, Luke 19:27 and Apocalypse of St. John 14:14-20 are nigh.

Nadir · « **Reply #13 on:** September 25, 2019, 05:17:58 AM »

Quote from: Franciscan Solitary on September 20, 2019, 01:00:47 AM

And for the ladies everything ought to be much simpler — they are to embody our Western Civilisation in their own humble yet priceless and awesomely privileged sanctuaries of Heaven here on earth.

We have a few legitimate Catholic Lord Bishops and a few actual Catholic Lords. Il capitano Salvini will soon enough lead another March On Rome to deal with that loathsome Antichrist currently holed up in the Santa Marta Guesthouse.

I like the way you have expressed our role, Franciscan.
As for Salvini, I wouldn't hold out much hope of him sorting out the occupant of Santa Marta, until he sorts out his own irregular situation with his wife and his mistress.

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