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Re: Official position of the FSSPX on the 'Vaccine'?
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2021, 04:40:03 PM »
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  • Fr Frey (SSPX District Superior in Austria) Four Reasons Against C0VlD 

    Fаthеr Stеfаn Frеy, thе SSPX district supеriоr in Austriа, wаrns in his April nеwslеttеr “urgеntly” аgаinst rеcеiving CÖVÌD-19 "νаccιnаtiоns".  Frеy оffеrs fоur rеаsоns:

    1. Thе оrigin оf thе “ναccιnєs" which аrе linkеd tо “slаughtеring” bаbiеs tоrn frоm thеir mоthеr's wоmb whilе still аlivе.  Rеcеiving thе “νаccιnаtiоn” suppоrts thе аbоrtiоn industry whеthеr оnе wаnts this оr nоt.

    2. Thе risk аssеssmеnt: Thеrе аrе rеpоrts оf sеvеrе sidе еffеcts аnd numеrоus dеаths аftеr "νаccιnаtiоn". Lоng-tеrm dаmаgе cаnnоt bе rulеd оut.  Nо оnе knоws whеthеr thе mаss "νаccιnаtiоn" will nоt lеаd tо а glоbаl humаnitаriаn cаtаstrоphе.

    3. Thе prоpоrtiоnаlity:  Thе 2020 mоrtаlity wаs within thе frаmеwоrk оf prеviоus yеаrs аnd CÖVÌD-19, likе thе flu, is аlmоst еxclusivеly dаngеrоus fоr thоsе оvеr 80.

    4. In whоsе intеrеst аrе thе "νаccιnаtiоns"? Thе еvidеncе is bеcоming incrеаsingly clеаr thаt thе glоbаl "νаccιnаtiоn" cаmpаign is in thе sеrvicе оf а "pоliticаl аgеndа" thаt wаnts tо bring аbоut а nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, а sоciаlist-stylе dictаtоrship thаt prоmisеs еquаlity, justicе, pеаcе, аnd sеcurity - "аs аll dictаtоrships hаvе dоnе sо fаr" - but tаkеs аwаy оur privаcy аnd frееdоm.



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    Re: Official position of the FSSPX on the 'Vaccine'?
    « Reply #16 on: July 26, 2021, 04:42:24 PM »
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  • Dear Faithful and Friends of Our Lady of the Angels,

    Blessed Easter Season! May the King of kings bring you great consolation and strength. You are remembered in my prayers as Pastor, and the prayers of all the clergy and religious. Persevere. “Be not afraid.”

    After living through the events of the past year, and after talking to many of you about current affairs I am glad that we have good people and good thinkers, who are people willing to hold on to common sense and use it!  Although there are many of the faithful now attending SSPX chapels who are well informed on health, world events, politics, and the Great Reset promoting the Sustainable Goals, there are many who find their main source of news and authority in the modern media and secular and humanistic Health Agencies. If you are one of these ill informed or bullied individuals be careful, watch out and beware.

    The same media outlets and the local and աօʀʟd ɦɛaʟtɦ օʀɢaռiʐatɨօռs are the same institutions, who are all too ready and willing to promote immorality and licentiousness among Nations and our youth. Consider their approval of Abortion, Contraception, BisɛҳuąƖity, Transgenderism, etc.  We cannot trust them. Has the Media been any more a friend of ours with Socialist politics or the open promotion of anti-Christ or anti-American agendas?  Far from it. Recently I asked a friend in Portland, Oregon how the revolution looked there after the 2020 Elections. He said that he and his wife are discerning the future for their little and young family. What to do? Where to move? When to take action? The riots and burning continued, and more recently a pig hanging from a gallows was painted on the I 5 highway overpass. Is this proper for order and civility among men?

    [With rare exceptions], the approved vaccines all use aborted fetal cells as origin and continued testing.  They do not hide the facts.  Amazing we are willing to benefit from aborted babies’ stolen tissues!  A new fountain of youth?  This is immoral.
    Then of course men feel compelled for numerous reasons to take and relish in the health sacrament of the Covid-19 Vaccine. These reasons vary from ” I am old; I have a underlying health condition; I am a health worker; My boss and company urges me to do so for the good health of the company; I need to travel; I am going on a vacation; I do not really want to take the vaccine, but my family is threatening me so I guess I must..; I am not going to work with people unless I get the vaccine; Everybody asks me, so I feel pushed and do not want to be bothered by them; I want to be free from masks and social distancing; They are offering a free beer or donut, if I take the vaccine; I know of a place where they offer a flight, room and meal for those willing to travel for the vaccine”  Yes, these and many other statements have been made. Yikes!  We are not children. Should we be bullied? Persecuted by our neighbor? Are we ready to be bought or given a candy for this treatment?!  With a 99.7% chance of recovery do people need a vaccine? Certainly not. Do not become a statistic or experimental victim. Stand strong.

    Masks do nothing for us. We look ridiculous and we are becoming less human. Most of the people I know who wear masks do so to conform because the person in the store has been deputized by the health agency, and they do not want to get in “trouble from above.”  It is not for health benefits.  Ask the experts.

    Something is terribly wrong, and we are being lied to all along the way. Look back and see. Lies and false promises have been served us from the beginning. Do not forget the conversation I had with the now famous health agents who gave us the citation and fine. They said the reason we could not receive a consistent protocol was that they were working with limited data. Exactly! So I said in return you cannot make rules/laws and turn us out of churches on such mutating information.

    There is One Truth and One Way. It is Christ and He will not deceive us. Awake up. Stay alert. Watch and Pray.

    In Christ,
    Fr.Burfitt


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    Re: Official position of the FSSPX on the 'Vaccine'?
    « Reply #17 on: July 26, 2021, 04:48:14 PM »
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  • Here is a letter written by a French priest, after they published that first lame article, I think: 



    [The context of this communication is a group email correspondence, in which he is responding to another priest who notified him of the SSPX article.   It is translated and published with permission.]


    "This article is repugnant, scandalous, completely in line with the new progressive moral theology and slavishly attached to the media soap opera. It is full of implications that are worth unfolding.  It seems as though it could have been written by Fr. Paul Robinson, with this concern to follow "Modern Science".


    Implications:

    1. What right do they have to say that taking a vaccine or drug made from an aborted fetus is a material collaboration? What other abuses does this open the door to?  Can we imagine Pius XII making such recommendations?


    Aborted fetal tissue is a material substantially united to an aborted human form...

    We are in the most formal of situations, unlike the plumber who repairs leaks in an abortion room. The starting point of the action is a baby abortion.

    In 2000, Fr. Peter Scott argued that there is a [direct] causal relationship between the baby abortion and the vaccine. In 2006, he recognized the insidious Roman docuмent of 2005.

    What remains of the doctrinal rigor of the SSPX of yesteryear? It is completely outdated on this subject, even by conservative liberals.

    Let us summarize: there is a FORMAL LINK, and an obvious CAUSALITY LINK between abortion and these vaccines. "Let us not do evil to obtain good," says St. Paul. "The end justifies the means," says Machiavelli.


    2. The laboratories mentioned as honest, competent institutions are both criminal and ʝʊdɛօmasonic enterprises, this is abundantly proven. (See the excellent article by Abbe Rioult).
    I learn that the remdesivir (Gilead) is made from aborted tissue, further confirmation of the degree of criminality of these organizations.

    A show of hands is not enough.

    Calling people who did the research and inform people, such as RFK jr., Professor Raoult, etc., "fundamentalists" bears witness to typically liberal contempt. Liberals do not want to find the truth where it really is, while they err on the side of the single thought as the foundation of all thought. They are the fundamentalists.


    3. The author further assumes that covid is a serious health phenomenon, which is still a huge lie. The official motive of cutting off the population in a neocommunist surveillance regime is supported.

    It assumes that there has not been an excessive vaccination policy for 40 years... despite all the studies that have been done on this subject.

    We are told about "Promising Vaccines" even though their development is rushed (In theory, we must trust vaccines because they are tested over years): the author repeats what has just come out of La Figaro and the world... on TV, on CNN... or on "The Lancet".

    He refuses to warn that the vaccine is only the gateway to a multitude of other totalitarian measures. Covid is a political phenomenon, a seizure of power of the political body by medicine and over medicine.

    It assumes that there is no alternative to the vaccine, (i.e. Hydroxychloroquine+Azithromicine in the first two stages of the disease).

    It only recommends Remdesivir, which is criminally manufactured using aborted cells, and proves ineffective.  ...



    4. "What does the Church say? The docuмent quoted, from the year 2005, comes from the Conciliar Church, our enemy, the one we must bring down. And this docuмent insinuates that if we are far enough away from the act of abortion, the moral link with abortion that made the vaccine possible becomes purely material, free of fault. This docuмent is very subtle, but remains an open door... and as proof, we must accept Remdesivir, also developed from aborted tissues.

    Since when do we have to comply with the conciliar magisterium?


    5. How did we come to a DUTY ("recommended as prudent") to take unnecessary vaccines or even vaccines derived from aborted babies? Where is the limit? When will people see fetal organs in their pills? (I exaggerate of course, being a fundamentalist).

    Abortion is Niet! What is this Wojtylian theology bordering on Bergoglian? Francis says we mustn't exaggerate about abortion...

    Now we should stop exaggerating about the atrocious manipulations resulting from abortion.

    In all satanic civilizations, the counterpart of human sacrifice is cannibalism. The Mayan Empire was the perfect example. The criminal practices of abortion, duly affine of science (as if stem cells could not be taken from the placenta), have this same double counterpart.


    WHAT TO DO?

    Under threat and restrictions, (In fact we are already promised the gulag,... sorry, the perpetual confinement says Christophe Barbier, or I don't know which one the preventive health internment center), a Catholic could take a synthetic vaccine.

    But even then, it is also necessary to know what such a vaccine contains and what are the dangers and finally the stupidity to be vaccinated against some usual flu, even if it is of artificial origin, as Montagnier says. Normally, with the Orwellian Ministry of Health, the cure will be much more dangerous than the disease, and we just have to observe its effects on those who will be in a hurry, and our corresponding well-being.

    With this pseudo-scientific juice, let us count on the neoSociety to collaborate until the end, and more and more with those who seek to shed us.

    Is Fr. Pagliarani going to have this damning cloth removed?  In my opinion, yes if there are waves, but not without.  

    In any case, this article is for the English-speaking world, even German-speaking, controlled by more liberal priests... while another speech half fig and half grape is the law elsewhere.

    Thank you for warning me and giving the subject of my sermon.

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    Re: Official position of the FSSPX on the 'Vaccine'?
    « Reply #19 on: July 26, 2021, 10:48:07 PM »
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  • Sean, thank you for going into details, and for deciphering Fr. Arnaud Selegny commentary that the SSPX endorsed.

    Many youth, including my children are divided on this subject , so I started this thread to get counter-rebuttal points that drive home the necessity to resist the vaccine at all cost.

    My observation is that, it is easier to make a decision for the older 50+ trads as compared to younger trads....the struggle is centered around a) employment b) Travel ( trains , buses, flights) c) economic sustainability and d) Educational opportunities

    We are praying that like many Courageous Bishops and Priests(including some from the SSPX)..... the SSPX too endorses a statement from one of their clergy that unequivocally condemns this Covid Vaccine as Evil. I am not sure, and I might be wrong, but I estimate that around 60% of all trads follow the FSSPX, so such an official statement/position is even more pressing at this time as time is running out.....as mentioned after the happenings of July 16th...it should be easier for the SSPX to release such a statement.

    NAM-

    Are your children still living with you?

    As regards the SSPX reversing its policy, forget about it:

    They’d have to be willing to close all their schools, travel by boat, infiltrate countries illegally to care for the faithful, etc.

    That’s not going to happen.

    That kind of apostolic charity only exists in the Resistance.

    Even before the manufactured covidian cult, the SSPX has been permitting the MMR abortion jab since 2005/6 (when/where there was clearly neither necessity nor proportionality).

    Had they not done so, my son might not be profoundly autistic today (perfectly normal until one month after that jab, when everything changed.  Most of that fault is mine, of course, as I had a conflicted conscience, but thought hey, this is the SSPX, and they say it is ok, so it must be).

    And despite Fr. Pagliarani saying we must be willing to shed our blood to oppose the humanist religion (or was that bƖσσdshɛd limited to the Mass?),  the Society nevertheless seems not to lose sight of its own particular (material) good.

    Don’t let your kids make moral decisions based upon self-interest and convenience.  It ain’t worth it.

    God needs champions with the spittle to withstand the rising tide.

    If it doesn’t come from normal, pious Catholics, it won’t come from anyone, and the world your children will inherit will leave them wondering if they wouldn’t be better off dead, than giving unto Caesar that which is God’s.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Official position of the FSSPX on the 'Vaccine'?
    « Reply #20 on: July 27, 2021, 12:24:39 AM »
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    My observation is that, it is easier to make a decision for the older 50+ trads as compared to younger trads....the struggle is centered around a) employment b) Travel ( trains , buses, flights) c) economic sustainability and d) Educational opportunities

    See? it's all about being pragmatic. 100% practical, 0% principles.

    I'm part Irish, and much more Irish by culture (how I was raised). So I can certainly appreciate a down-to-earth or practical attitude.

    HOWEVER, you have to draw the line. The saints weren't "practical" -- they did everything they could to reduce their chance of going to Hell as close to 0 as possible, and increase their chances for heaven as high as possible. They were the smart ones.

    I'd rather my children live unsatisfied, unfulfilled lives far below what they're capable of, as long as they end up in heaven. On the other hand, if they fully reached their top potential -- developed and honed all they were given by God and genetics -- but ended up worldly, and ultimately in Hell -- then WHAT GOOD WAS IT that I was a father to several highly-paid and/or famous professionals? Who cares!

    Or if one of my children takes "the jab" so he can attend Med School to become a doctor, only to die of complications a few years later? Or maybe he doesn't die, but he's just permanently disabled? Or sterilized? What the hell good is all that doctor money going to do him? That is to say, if he even sees the first dollar of it.

    Economic considerations,  educational opportunities -- those are fine and dandy, when we're not in a godless Communist dystopia. They are nice EXTRAS at best. But in today's world, those might be luxuries we just can't afford. Not at the price of our souls. You think everyone born on earth "deserves" or has a "right" to those things you listed? God doesn't seem to think so. Who are we to criticize God?
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    Re: Official position of the FSSPX on the 'Vaccine'?
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    Had they not done so, my son might not be profoundly autistic today (perfectly normal until one month after that jab, when everything changed.  Most of that fault is mine, of course, as I had a conflicted conscience, but thought hey, this is the SSPX, and they say it is ok, so it must be).

    I suspected something like this was the case, Sean.

    I actually permitted I think *some* vaccines for my oldest son, up until 6 months old. Then I got more and more into alternative news (I started CathInfo in late 2006 remember -- my son would have been 5 months old in August 2006).

    I remember specifically watching one Alex Jones docuмentary, and I said "NO MORE VACCINES."

    He didn't get autism, although I'm no expert on "the spectrum". I'm sure mild cases are easier to hide or miss. I don't really want to discuss his medical details on the open Internet, but I could talk to you (Sean) personally about it sometime.

    Since then, 8 more kids, all unvaxxed, and no cases of food allergies, ear infections, autism, autoimmune disorders, or all the other modern plagues since kids started getting 40 injections before age 5 (?) I forgot the exact number, but it's SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER than kids born in the 70's and 80's experienced.
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