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Offline John Steven

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Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2017, 11:47:13 AM »
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  • Any estimate on the number of people who attended? None of the pictures really give any indication of it.

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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #46 on: May 12, 2017, 12:55:56 PM »
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  • It's a consecration.  What's there to cherry pick?
    I second that.
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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #47 on: May 12, 2017, 03:54:44 PM »
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  • Any estimate on the number of people who attended? None of the pictures really give any indication of it.
    Counting the chairs, which were almost completely filled; there was one section on each side of the processional aisle, each with 15 rows, and 15 chairs per row.  15x15x2=450 chairs
    Great turnout. 
    Very distracting audio problems, which I hope can be edited out with the finished product of video that will be available. 

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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #48 on: May 12, 2017, 04:02:59 PM »
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  • For what reason was A/V recording forbidden?
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    Especially in a day and age where so many clerics are spuriously ordained or consecrated, the more proof the better!  It's important for clerics to be able to ease the minds of those who approach them for sacraments, especially if they are coming from without.
    The reason given by Father Ringrose, to the entire congregation just prior to the consecration Mass, was that this is a sacred religious ceremony and not to be treated irreverently or like some media spectacle.  They didn't want folks who were supposed to be prayfully assisting to instead be standing up or entering the aisles to take videos and photos, thereby distracting themselves and others.  Unfortunately, several people disobeyed this, and some even entered the processional aisle during the consecration to take videos.  Sad. 

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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #49 on: May 12, 2017, 04:16:55 PM »
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  • I got a TON of pictures to go through...here are a couple to start.

    I've been incredibly busy though. I've hardly seen much of my hotel room. All the days I've been here. No time to kick back, relax, or any of that.
    The closest to "relaxing" has been socializing with and meeting Catholics from all over. But that isn't the same as resting or getting pictures/video processed...
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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #50 on: May 12, 2017, 04:35:55 PM »
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  • For what reason was A/V recording forbidden?
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    Especially in a day and age where so many clerics are spuriously ordained or consecrated, the more proof the better!  It's important for clerics to be able to ease the minds of those who approach them for sacraments, especially if they are coming from without.
    There is absolutely no down-side to forbidding "anyone and everyone" from recording at the ceremony.

    There was professional audio help which did some amount of video recording as well, and SoldierOfCTK was the OFFICIAL videographer/photographer. Right there, so far, you have your "evidence of the event". So talking about proof, easing the minds of the faithful, docuмentation, etc. is a moot point.

    Plus I was the semi-official "Catholic media" representative, given special permission to take all the video and pictures I wanted. So now you have TWO sources of exhaustive video and pictures.

    Any more than that, and it would have looked like any modern "event" with 100-200 people all craning their phones up in the air with one or both hands, creating a paparazzi media circus. That wouldn't do for such a solemn event.

    If you want memories of the event, buy the official DVDs when they come out. Or if you can't afford that, just get it all from CathInfo for free. But if you stand aloof from forums, then I guess it's too bad for you. Time to join up, isn't it? CathInfo is free to join.

    I, for one, don't see the problem.
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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #51 on: May 12, 2017, 04:50:17 PM »
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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #52 on: May 13, 2017, 09:19:30 AM »
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  • Any photos, videos, or first hand reports of the consecration which took place today?

    It is surprising with the plethora of smart phones and mobile internet access that nothing has come out yet. I admit my expectations are probably formed by the instant communication word we live in. :-[
    Most of us who went to the Masses were kept rather busy without much time to post anything here to keep everyone updated...  Sorry!   :-[

    For Thursday's Mass there was a constant downpour of rain and many of us in the back got rather wet.  There were actually puddles all over where the choir was singing!  Friday was much better though, and things had a little bit of time to dry out.   :)

    We did not have the speakers we were supposed to have in the sanctuary.  So, it was a bit tough to keep track of what was going on.  Yet, over all everything seemed to go rather well.

    At the banquet on Thursday Father Ringrose, Dr. White, and Bishop Williamson, and Bishop Zendejas gave some great speeches.  

    Father Ringrose made a great joke about how whenever we have a big events with bishops at our place it is always "in tents" - "intense".  

    Dr. White several jokes, but my favorite was a joke about how there was a man who went out to eat at a restaurant and ordered soup.  When his food was brought out he noticed that there was a fly in his bowl.  He called the waiter and asked, "What is this fly doing in my soup?"  The waiter paused for a second and then answered, "I think, sir, that he is doing the back-stroke."  ;D

    The Consecration Mass on Thursday was about 3 1/2 hours long, so Bishop Zendejas' first Mass yesterday seemed really short when it was only about 2 hours long!   :)

    I was delighted that several people decided to bring their musical instruments.  We even managed to sing the "Que viva mi Cristo" song with mandolin, accordion and violin!  Thanks to those who played!  It was great!  ...Bishop Williamson saw us setting up and was a little concerned about what type of music we would sing.  Yet, when it was an folk, he seemed quite please.   :)

    I did not have a good camera with me.  So, I didn't really take pictures.  At any rate, give people a few days to get home and maybe there will be more!  
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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #53 on: May 13, 2017, 11:39:40 PM »
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    Fr Chazal is still wearing the same style garb as Fr Pfeiffer. White cassock with red sash. The Jesuits of their Madura province in India were allowed to use this red sash to commemorate the martyrdom of their confrere, St John Britto. Later, the secular priests of the Madurai diocese also began to use it. The SSPX which set up in south India, for whatever reason, began dressing up like this. And now the M-C have adopted it.

    This is a story I heard several years ago. At a church fair in Malad, Mumbai an SSPX priest was strolling around in the company of some faithful. He was wearing a white cassock with a red sash.
    An announcement was made on the PA system: Beware a fake priest walking around and pretending to be a bishop! ;D

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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #54 on: May 14, 2017, 03:58:46 AM »
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  • An announcement was made on the PA system: Beware a fake priest walking around and pretending to be a bishop! 

    :applause: nice one AJNC

    I think Fr. Chazal and the MC-SPX should be in black cassock as the missionaries of the old days. Case closed!  ;)
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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #55 on: May 14, 2017, 09:15:06 AM »
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  • An announcement was made on the PA system: Beware a fake priest walking around and pretending to be a bishop!

    :applause: nice one AJNC

    I think Fr. Chazal and the MC-SPX should be in black cassock as the missionaries of the old days. Case closed!  ;)
    Dont be surprised if this white cassock thing was ushered in by the Bugnini change agents during the reign of Pius XII.  Muslim women all over the tropics and in hot desert lands wear the black burka with no complaints despite the heat. But some bureaucrats in Rome decided that the clergy in these very areas needed to stay cool and should switch to white.
    Nice to see you around again Chrstnoel. Was beginning to worry!


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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #56 on: May 14, 2017, 06:36:42 PM »
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  • Hi. Thanks for reporting some of what happened. ¿That priests were present, besides Chazal, Ringrose and the Dominican friar?

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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #57 on: May 20, 2017, 09:05:12 AM »
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  • Good morning: 

    I was blessed with the opportunity to attend the events of May 11th and 12th. The winds and heavy rains and traces of rolling thunder and flashes of lightening off in the distance made for a very dramatic setting. And while uncomfortable--we Catholics were not made for comfort, but to be set apart. 

    I am especially grateful to have gotten the opportunity to meet so many of you. 

    I would like to track down as many of the people I met as I can. I would like to stay in contact as much as possible. I was able to give out my business card and get some contact info from some of the people I met, but not nearly as many as I would have liked. If you recognize me, send me a note, stay in touch, and know that you will always be welcome in Limerick, PA (outside of Philadelphia). 

    And while I realize in these times it may be difficult (if not futile) to forge a community of like minded and faithful Catholics (especially when the sheperd is struck) I think it is still helpful to do what we can, where we are, with what limited resources we have to stay connected. It will be the great difficulty, challenge, and mission of my life to raise a strong Catholic family. It is difficult (and by every human measure nearly impossible) to raise up strong Catholic families without strong Catholic community (not to mention, society, government, and so many other treasures of Catholic civilization long gone in our history, but that modern man in his wickedness takes for granted and still basks in like the light of a distant star that has long since ceased to be). 

    I am very new to tradition. I was born and raised within the Novus Ordo. However, I was raised within a family that always had strong Catholic instincts. So my awakening to the crisis in the Church really was a lifetime in the making, but only accelerated and came to its fruition in the last 12 months. 

    By that time Archbishop Lefebvre became a saint in my eyes, but I was reluctant to attend an SSPX chapel. I tried to find a "resistance" Mass. Then, through a series of what can be only seen in my eyes looking back as providential events I was able to contact Father Ortiz, who called me and gave me the information for this online forum. Then to my surprise I received a call from Bishop Zendejas (at the time Father Zendejas). I am very blessed and grateful for this. 

    Where I live, I am the only traditional Catholic that I know (even within my own house). Pray for me brothers and sisters. I will be praying for all of you! 

    God bless you and God bless the four bishops. Vivo Cristo Rey! 

    Michael Collier 
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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #58 on: May 20, 2017, 01:13:24 PM »
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  • Hi. Thanks for reporting some of what happened. ¿That priests were present, besides Chazal, Ringrose and the Dominican friar?
    Fr. Ballini
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    Fr. MacDonald
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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #59 on: May 20, 2017, 07:04:07 PM »
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  • I was able to upload some photos from the Consecration and Pontifical Mass, for those who might be interested. They are high resolution and should print fine, but I currently don't have the free time to post them all here. Feel free to download any or all of them. Please let me know if there are any issues in accessing the folder:

    Bp. Zendejas 2017
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