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Offline Seraphina

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Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2017, 04:53:09 AM »
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  • Biography of Bishop-Elect Gerardo Zendejas



    He exercises his ministry mainly in the states of Texas, Kansas (St. Mary’s), Connecticut and New York.

    Where in New York?  


    Offline Matthew

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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #16 on: May 03, 2017, 11:36:16 AM »
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  • I'm going too!

    AlligatorDicax,
       That is a great idea! But, maybe if all would don Miraculous Medals or Brown Scapulars, that would be easier?

    Or, we could paint crosses on our faces? Kind of akin to the war paint seen in "Brave Heart".

    My sister suggested that you could simply tell every person you pass "Hi, I'm Catholic"! That works too...

    One could even use labeling stickers on their shirt with an "I'm Catholic" on it or something.
    Well, I'm certainly going to do something. I'm not flying 1200 miles to be a wallflower. I want to meet the other solid Traditional Catholics who drove and/or flew in from all over the world. This could be an excellent opportunity to make new friends.

    Your scapular or miraculous medal idea might be the best. I want to do SOMETHING to suggest I'm Catholic, not just a well-dressed Lutheran. Remember, protestants and atheists get dressed up for conferences and special events too. So just a suit & tie and modest dress will NOT give you away as a Catholic. It's not like the pagans around us dress in bikinis and short shorts for every occasion. They only run around in their underwear when they're at a beach or waterpark.

    A long (close to ankle-length) skirt might be a good idea for the ladies. That will nearly give them away as Trad Catholics. When prottys and pagans get dressed up, they tend to go with low necklines, sleeveless dresses, tight dresses, and knee-length AT THE LONGEST for their dresses and skirts.
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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #17 on: May 03, 2017, 06:37:42 PM »
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  • I will be there, and am looking forward to meeting all of you...   :cheers:

    Or at least as many as time allows... ::)  

    Safe travels for everyone!   :)


    Oh, and I like Student of Qi's suggestion about wearing a crucifix, miraculous medal, or something of the sort!  I myself always wear a crucifix and Saint Benedict's medal.

    And Matthew, definitely a good suggestion about women wearing ankle length skirts or dresses.  That is also something which is the norm for me though.  So, we will be understanding for those who are not able to do so.   :) 
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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #18 on: May 04, 2017, 08:35:50 AM »
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  • Banquet bookings: If you have any questions please contact DIRECTLY the person in charge:
    - by email: tehlen@juno.com
    - by phone: (231) 537-6676

    Clergy attendance: by personal INVITATION only.

    Please do NOT call St Athanasius Rectory for problems with your hotel bookings!

    The priests are VERY BUSY!

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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #19 on: May 04, 2017, 09:38:09 AM »
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  • Do Lutherans drink?
    All of the Catholics will be at the bar. :cheers:

    (Just a BAD joke)



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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #20 on: May 04, 2017, 09:56:19 AM »
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  • Do Lutherans drink?
    All of the Catholics will be at the bar. :cheers:

    (Just a BAD joke)
    I understand you were just joking, but seriously -- I think only fundamentalist Christians abstain from alcohol.
    Fundamentalist = "having actual beliefs, which they take seriously"

    In my experience, Lutherans are QUITE mainstream. You will find them at public beaches, waterparks, dressed (or un-dressed) like everyone else. They fully participate in The World, they use birth control, believe in divorce, etc.

    Any "religion" that isn't fundamentalist is just a social club. I don't even acknowledge them as real religions. If your religion doesn't tell you what to do in your daily life, then it's useless.
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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #21 on: May 04, 2017, 10:04:18 AM »
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  • We're getting close now. So close, in fact, that May 11th shows up on the long range weather forecast!

    I hope they have a tent big enough to shelter everyone -- otherwise a lot of people might get wet.
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    And only _official_?/Re: Official information for [...] Consecration
    « Reply #22 on: May 04, 2017, 01:13:52 PM »
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  • Banquet bookings: [...] please contact DIRECTLY the person in charge: [see original reply (#18) for contact-info]
    Clergy attendance: by personal invitation only.
    Please do NOT call St Athanasius Rectory for problems with your [personal travel arrangements !]
    The priests are VERY BUSY !

    Isn't it quite safe to assume that the laypeople who've accepted leadership roles or other responsibilities to make this consecration happen and related events run smoothly are also "VERY BUSY ! "?   And things will go wrong !   From inexperience, if nothing else; as Matthew himself had written (albeit for a different reason):

    1. It is the first consecration of a Traditional Catholic bishop in the United States who is not Sedevacantist and/or Thuc-line. This will also be the first bishop whose priestly apostolate was primarily in the United States since Fr. Williamson was chosen in 1988 !
    2. Even today, there are not THAT MANY Trad bishops in the recognize-and-resist Traditional Catholic world.[....]   Right now the neo-SSPX and Resistance have a total of 6 bishops, most of whom are over 70, and the rest of whom are in their 60's.
    3. It is the first consecration of a new generation of bishops. [....]

    So upon further review, I post this as my mea culpa to the clergy and lay leaders of St. Athanasius (Catholic Church) for participating in cluttering this thread with unofficial content.

    May I be excused for being so bold as to suggest that to keep this particular topic well focused on what its Subject: plainly indicates is "official information", e.g., from responsible sources at St. Athanasius, that henceforth, all social chatter, including personal plans for attending, recommended attire, double-secret recognition signs, &c., be moved to an explicitly unofficial topic that I created yesterday afternoon (May 3) for the purpose?

        <https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/unofficial-informationre-official-information-for-bp-zendejas-consecration/> [sic]

    Yes, the event has its own Web site, but unlike a Web-forum site (e.g., CathInfo), it's not set up with index pages that are designed to easily show visitors to the site what's new and what's changed.  But even on CathInfo, that works well only if unofficial people keep their unofficial content out of the official topic.  Not to put too sharp a point on it.

    Of course, I don't exercise any authority at St. Athanasius, nor on CathInfo, but perhaps I have the paradoxical advantage [$] of being "able to see the forest despite all the trees".

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    Note $:  From absolute certainty that my budget prevents my attendance at the consecration.


    Offline SoldierofCtK

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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #23 on: May 08, 2017, 08:41:26 AM »
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  • What if we wore a "Vendee heart" patch/pin, to declare our Catholicity? It might be a fun project for kids to cut them out from felt, too.

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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #24 on: May 10, 2017, 11:53:25 PM »
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  • I know it's a bit late, but I'd recommend a St. Benedict Crucifix pectoral cross. I've worn one in the past and got a lot of good reactions from Catholics and non-Catholics alike, all of whom recognized it as a Catholic sign. 





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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #25 on: May 11, 2017, 03:00:59 AM »
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  • Just for the record :sleep:

    Statement - Diocese of Arlington


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    Statement from the Most Reverend Michael F. Burbidge on the Consecration of Father Gerardo Zendejas, Member of an Independent Church
     
     
    On May 11, 2017, at the St. Athanasius church in Vienna, Virginia, Bishops Richard Williamson, Jean-Michel Faure and Tomas de Aquino will consecrate Father Gerardo Zendejas a bishop of a schismatic community, that is, a group that refuses to submit to the ecclesiastical authority of the Roman Pontiff.
     St. Athanasius is not a church in communion with the Roman Catholic Church or the Diocese of Arlington, and its clergy do not lawfully celebrate the sacraments in the Diocese of Arlington. As the Bishop of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Arlington, I cannot and will not recommend or condone attendance at St. Athanasius at any time for anyone in communion with the Roman Pontiff and the Roman Catholic Church.
     Bishop Williamson was expelled from the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) in 2012. Since that time he has affiliated himself with an independent church formed by groups around the country. While authoritative information about these groups is incomplete, it appears that they are currently in schism from the Catholic Church, refusing to submit to the authority of Pope Francis, the legitimately elected and governing Successor of Saint Peter. Under church law, “schism” refers to a refusal to submit to the Pope or a withdrawal from communion with the members of the Church subject to him (Canon 751).
     The illicit consecration of a bishop is an act of grave disobedience, a wounding of the unity of the Church and a source of serious scandal. Canon law states, “A bishop who consecrates someone a bishop without a pontifical mandate and the person who receives the consecration from him incur a latae sententiae [that is, automatic] excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See” (Canon 1382). Since Bishop Williamson previously consecrated Bishop Faure and Bishop Tomas without a mandate from the Holy See, these three bishops who plan to participate in the consecration scheduled to take place on May 11 have each already incurred excommunications under Canon 1382.
     Please join me in praying that all those involved in this illicit episcopal consecration may, through Our Lady’s intercession, return to full unity with the Catholic Church.
    :jester:



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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #26 on: May 11, 2017, 05:59:58 AM »
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  • Did Soldier of Christ the King announce that the ceremony is going to be broadcast live? That is what the reconquista blog announces anyway.
    On his youtube channel YouTube.com/SoldierofCTK

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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #27 on: May 11, 2017, 03:09:40 PM »
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  • Any photos, videos, or first hand reports of the consecration which took place today?

    It is surprising with the plethora of smart phones and mobile internet access that nothing has come out yet. I admit my expectations are probably formed by the instant communication word we live in. :-[

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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #28 on: May 11, 2017, 05:07:11 PM »
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  • Our priest, Fr. Waters, who assisted Fr. Zendejas, texted that all went well. Started about half hour later than scheduled.
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    Re: Official information for Bp. Zendejas Consecration
    « Reply #29 on: May 11, 2017, 07:15:39 PM »
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  • Never heard of Father Waters. Can you provide any info? Thanks.