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Re: Obedience Today?
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2022, 07:41:35 PM »
You are calling to be obedient to the antichristian "bishops" of the robber church of the "new pentecost"?

Are you joking?
Marion,

If you ask that question, you have not read the OP.

Re: Obedience Today?
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2022, 07:44:25 PM »
Yes, you must use your God-given reason and listen to your conscience. This is what St. Thomas Aquinas, and all Catholic theologians, taught.

Regarding a questionable "command" from a human being, you should compare that command to the authentic Magisterium. If the command contradicts the Magisterium, you must reject the command. Otherwise, anyone one in any religious order would be subject to the dictatorial whim of a superior. The words I quoted above from St. Thomas Aquinas show the proper method for "sifting" these commands.
We really should stick to discussing the laity, for no one here on CI is a cleric under a superior. No?

If only 1% of priest will be saved today, we must choose who we follow very carefully, or we could "obediently" follow the 99% into perdition.


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OP - We are taught to be obedient to our shepherds, the pope, our local diocese bishop, the pastor of the church we attend in our diocese. But yet, few here on CI are obedient to our customary shepherds. We are not obedient because we do not recognize their voice as the voice of the Good Shepherd, the voice of Our Lord Jesus Christ who said:  " He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up another way, the same is a thief and a robber... they follow not, but fly from him, because they know not the voice of strangers."  If we do not recognize the voice of the visible hierarchy what voice do we follow? This is the most important decision to make today, for if we blindly follow one of the priests that is going to Hell, we will go there with him. What priest do we follow, THAT is the question!   


Re: Obedience Today?
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2022, 12:03:53 AM »
So if a Catholic "chooses" to join a religious order and "chooses" to follow the superior of that religious order in disciplinary matters, you would not call that "obedience?"

Before a Catholic starts to choose anything, he belongs to a diocese and is subject to the head of that diocese. He may ask to be allowed to join a religious order.

Re: Obedience Today?
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2022, 04:46:40 AM »
“Obedience” is a Vatican II term to hide and justify mortal sin.  It is false “obedience” to man instead of God.  “Obedience” has and is  being used to persecute and silent good and holy Priests.  







Re: Obedience Today?
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2022, 04:59:44 AM »
“Those good priest today will be a rare gift, so the majority of us, should not expect more than the (undoubtable valid) sacraments, we are on our own to learn the time-honored traditions and how to really live the Faith.“ 

Yes.  My beloved late mother in law years ago advised “ Go to Mass and come home.