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Offline Marion

Re: Obedience Today?
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2022, 05:35:57 PM »
Quote from: Angelus on January 12, 2022, 05:28:14 PM
If I had a question about "a lawful command" from a religious superior that I could not answer with a traditional Catholic Catechism and logic, I would ask Bishop Williamson. This hasn't come up for me yet, however.

How can you call that obedience, if you yourself choose the "authority"?
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Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: Obedience Today?
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2022, 05:44:48 PM »
Quote from: Marion on January 12, 2022, 05:35:57 PM
How can you call that obedience, if you yourself choose the "authority"?

Don't ask difficult questions! :laugh1:
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Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: Obedience Today?
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2022, 05:49:09 PM »
Quote from: Angelus on January 12, 2022, 05:04:15 PM
Obedience to lawful authority is a commandment of God. So we must take it seriously and understand that just because an authority (bishop or priest) makes errors in some areas, if he is truly an authority for us, we must consider each command and measure it against what our informed Catholic conscience tells us is true.

So, you must sift each and every command, even when it comes from certainly lawful authority?  That is NOT obedience; that is making oneself the final arbiter of the merit of each and every command.
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Offline Angelus

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Re: Obedience Today?
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2022, 07:29:07 PM »
Quote from: Marion on January 12, 2022, 05:35:57 PM
How can you call that obedience, if you yourself choose the "authority"?

So if a Catholic "chooses" to join a religious order and "chooses" to follow the superior of that religious order in disciplinary matters, you would not call that "obedience?" 

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Offline Angelus

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Re: Obedience Today?
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2022, 07:41:12 PM »
Quote from: gladius_veritatis on January 12, 2022, 05:49:09 PM
So, you must sift each and every command, even when it comes from certainly lawful authority?  That is NOT obedience; that is making oneself the final arbiter of the merit of each and every command.

Yes, you must use your God-given reason and listen to your conscience. This is what St. Thomas Aquinas, and all Catholic theologians, taught.

Regarding a questionable "command" from a human being, you should compare that command to the authentic Magisterium. If the command contradicts the Magisterium, you must reject the command. Otherwise, anyone one in any religious order would be subject to the dictatorial whim of a superior. The words I quoted above from St. Thomas Aquinas show the proper method for "sifting" these commands.
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