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Re: Obedience Today?
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2022, 05:08:36 PM »
Obedience to lawful authority is a commandment of God. So we must take it seriously and understand that just because an authority (bishop or priest) makes errors in some areas, if he is truly an authority for us, we must consider each command and measure it against what our informed Catholic conscience tells us is true.

St. Thomas Aquinas provides the formulation for determining whether a command is lawful or not:

“Law is an ordination of reason, by the proper authority, for the common good, and promulgated.”

If the bishop or priest bases his command on incomplete facts or invalid logic, then his command is not an "ordination of reason." If the person is not actually the bishop or priest with authority over you, then his command does not need to be followed by you. If his command is for his private gain or has an evil end, then he must be ignored. If he does not tell you that he is commanding you to do what he says, then it is not required.

Being obedient to a bishop's lawful command or taking a bishop's advice are two very different things. The former is a required under the fourth commandment. The latter is a matter of prudence.

Which are the bishops you're talking about?

Re: Obedience Today?
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2022, 05:08:56 PM »
Who exactly are those traditional shepherds to be obedient to?
The pope, our local bishop, the pastor of the church local diocese church we attend. It is what has always been "tradition".


Re: Obedience Today?
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2022, 05:11:53 PM »
The pope, our local bishop, the pastor of the church local diocese church we attend. It is what has always been "tradition".

You are calling to be obedient to the antichristian "bishops" of the robber church of the "new pentecost"?

Are you joking?

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Re: Obedience Today?
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2022, 05:28:14 PM »
Which are the bishops you're talking about?

If I had a question about "a lawful command" from a religious superior that I could not answer with a traditional Catholic Catechism and logic, I would ask Bishop Williamson. This hasn't come up for me yet, however.

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Re: Obedience Today?
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2022, 05:31:51 PM »
If I had a question about "a lawful command" from a religious superior that I could not answer with a traditional Catholic Catechism and logic, I would ask Bishop Williamson. This hasn't come up for me yet, however.

There are no religious superiors, properly speaking, within Traddieland.  No one within Traddieland has any meaningful canonical status and all vows are private.