Author Topic: Novus Ordo SSPX???? (Read 11475 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #15 on:** September 24, 2012, 03:25:35 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Sigismund
Quote from: CathMomof7
I left Mass today very confused and disturbed. My husband left with the same impression, only he is prone to hot-headedness, so he was a bit angry as well.

Our priest today publicly chastised those of us who visit internet forums and criticize the superiors of the Society. He gave a sermon on Obedience as taught by St. Ignatius. He even went so far as to say "if you superiors tell you black is white then you must believe it." He said, also, that he has been to these forums and read some of the comments criticizing Bishop Fellay and Fr. Rostand, and that those who are doing this are no true Catholics, but Catholics without charity.

Worse, he compared those critical of the Society to Protestants, inferring that this is what Martin Luther did. He said we are wrong to think we can "form our own opinions" about what is happening within the Society.

This is not Catholicism. It is Stalinism. A priest without jurisdiction can not command you to do anything. And criticizing the SSPX only makes you a Protestant if the SSPX has decided to formalize the arrogance that I have always thought was just below the surface within it and formally declare that it IS the Church.

Well said, Sigismund!

So.......................

Criticizing the SSPX only makes you a Protestant if the SSPX has decided to
formalize the arrogance ... and formally declare that it IS the Church, in which
case you "protested" against the Church...

Hmmm... something doesn't quite add up here. For one, "to decide to formalize
and formally declare" literally does not mean that the declaration took place. To
decide to do something is not the same thing as doing it, in this case. It's not like
having lust in your heart and thereby committing mortal sin, for example. All
it literally means is that the INTENTION to declare is there. That's not the same
thing as a formal declaration, by ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION..........................

It took me a while to "unpack" this message....

Criticizing the SSPX would only appear to

make you a Protestant if you were to believe that

the SSPX had formally declared that it IS the Church,

in which case you would have

"protested" against what would seem to be

the Church.

How would the SSPX formalize its arrogance in

this matter? For example, if it were to proclaim that

"outside the SSPX there is no salvation," or, that

"membership in the SSPX is necessary for anyone

to be truly Catholic."

There. Message unpacked............................ :reporter:

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #16 on:** September 24, 2012, 03:28:25 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
I think this is just another example of the SSPX gone wrong. It's "Opus Fellay" at work again, it's become cultish. That priest needs to study what the Church teaches on obedience - and while he's at it, study the quotes of his founder, Archbishop LeFebvre - before he gives garbage sermons like that.

"Opus Fellay"... that's it in a nutshell.

Thank you Spiritus Sanctus!

Well, thank you for the kind post, Incredulous. But I cannot take credit for the term, it was actually Telesphorus who used it first.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #17 on:** September 24, 2012, 04:21:14 PM »

I'm sorry to hear about the priest acting so rudely. Has he been unpleasant on other occasions?

If you left the SSPX chapel, is there a sede chapel or an independent chapel that you could assist?

Or would you become a home aloner? In the absence of any traditional chapels, this would be an acceptable alternative.

God help the SSPX in these hours of turbulence.

God bless the CMRI and all Traditional Catholic.

Sigismund · « **Reply #18 on:** September 24, 2012, 05:17:35 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Quote from: CathMomof7
I left Mass today very confused and disturbed. My husband left with the same impression, only he is prone to hot-headedness, so he was a bit angry as well.

Our priest today publicly chastised those of us who visit internet forums and criticize the superiors of the Society. He gave a sermon on Obedience as taught by St. Ignatius. He even went so far as to say "if you superiors tell you black is white then you must believe it." He said, also, that he has been to these forums and read some of the comments criticizing Bishop Fellay and Fr. Rostand, and that those who are doing this are no true Catholics, but Catholics without charity.

Worse, he compared those critical of the Society to Protestants, inferring that this is what Martin Luther did. He said we are wrong to think we can "form our own opinions" about what is happening within the Society.

This is not Catholicism. It is Stalinism. A priest without jurisdiction cannot command you to do anything. And criticizing the SSPX only makes you a Protestant if the SSPX has now decided to formalize the arrogance that I have always thought was just below the surface within it and formally declare that it IS the Church.

I really should be more careful about typing. My post quoted above now says what I wanted it to say.

Sigismund · « **Reply #19 on:** September 24, 2012, 05:19:29 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Sigismund
Quote from: CathMomof7
I left Mass today very confused and disturbed. My husband left with the same impression, only he is prone to hot-headedness, so he was a bit angry as well.

Our priest today publicly chastised those of us who visit internet forums and criticize the superiors of the Society. He gave a sermon on Obedience as taught by St. Ignatius. He even went so far as to say "if you superiors tell you black is white then you must believe it." He said, also, that he has been to these forums and read some of the comments criticizing Bishop Fellay and Fr. Rostand, and that those who are doing this are no true Catholics, but Catholics without charity.

Worse, he compared those critical of the Society to Protestants, inferring that this is what Martin Luther did. He said we are wrong to think we can "form our own opinions" about what is happening within the Society.

This is not Catholicism. It is Stalinism. A priest without jurisdiction can not command you to do anything. And criticizing the SSPX only makes you a Protestant if the SSPX has decided to formalize the arrogance that I have always thought was just below the surface within it and formally declare that it IS the Church.

Well said, Sigismund!

Matthew,

Perhaps it was well said after you corrected my typos. Thanks.