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Offline Capt McQuigg

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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2012, 03:15:50 PM »
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  • Questions make for a good thread.

    1st Mansion, what is your status as a Catholic?  Are you new to Tradition?


    Offline 1st Mansion Tenant

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    « Reply #16 on: November 09, 2012, 05:15:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    Questions make for a good thread.

    1st Mansion, what is your status as a Catholic?  Are you new to Tradition?


    I only have about 4 years in Tradition. Lapsed from NO many years before returning.
    Now I wonder if that isn't for the best, since they didn't have those many, many years to influence me. I did go to Catholic school throughout childhood, though. But I think the nuns there still had alot of traditional leanings even then,in the late 60's-early 70's.


    Offline TKGS

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    « Reply #17 on: November 09, 2012, 06:06:35 PM »
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  • There is a recent topic on CathInfo asking whether or not one should attend the traditional Mass given by the FSSP or ICK or other indult communities.

    A lot of very good reasons why one should stay away from such indult communities were provided by a number of posters.  I daresay virtually every reason to avoid their services applies to why one should avoid their other sacraments--most especially "Reconciliation".

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    « Reply #18 on: November 09, 2012, 06:41:41 PM »
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  • Isn't the issue with the OP's question, how can a priest who may not be validly ordained absolve us of sin?  
    and have you heard the N.O. 'absolution''?
    Which I suppose leads us to a discussion on the new rite of ordination, and whether the SSPX priest who counseled our dear OP perhaps has not vetted this issue.

    Last year when I was traveling. I felt strongly compelled to seek out a priest for confession. There were no trad churches/priests available.  I choked on the thought of going N.O., but researched each parish in the area for many hours, looking up the priests in residence, until I found an older priest (who fit the age range to be validly ordained) at a somewhat "conservative" looking parish.  I have no critique about this confession, except the tone was a little too lighthearted, and the penance he imposed was sans trad counsel.  

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    « Reply #19 on: November 09, 2012, 08:26:42 PM »
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  • Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
    I was recently told by a SSPX priest that it is okay to go to a NO priest for Confession, but only Confession. The way he explained it, to the best of my understanding, is that Confession is a "personal" sacrament, where as the Mass or Communion is for the Church. He warned me not to attend the NO Mass however, because it can cause the loss of faith, and that the sacrament of Communion may not be valid, and it wasn't worth the risk.

    Does this sound right to you guys? It seemed to make sense to me as he explained it, but I am a bit unsure now.


    I once many years ago went to a NO priest because that was all that was available here in Utah.  He denigrated Tradition, told me I was behind the times and that I 'needed to come into present time' with the church and on and on.  He basically mocked my "silliness" in wanting to lead an authentic Catholic life.  Needless to say, that is the last time I went to a NO priest for confession. :cry:


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    « Reply #20 on: November 09, 2012, 09:20:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
    I was recently told by a SSPX priest that it is okay to go to a NO priest for Confession, but only Confession. The way he explained it, to the best of my understanding, is that Confession is a "personal" sacrament, where as the Mass or Communion is for the Church. He warned me not to attend the NO Mass however, because it can cause the loss of faith, and that the sacrament of Communion may not be valid, and it wasn't worth the risk.

    Does this sound right to you guys? It seemed to make sense to me as he explained it, but I am a bit unsure now.


    Why take the chance of "spilling your guts" to someone who may not even be properly ordained, and thus not able to give absolution? I wouldn't even consider it for a moment!

    It would be like knowing there was a pill that could cure cancer, but opting to go to a Doctor who mixes placebos with the real McCoy and not being sure which one you got until it was too late.

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #21 on: November 10, 2012, 12:34:27 AM »
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  • Quote from: St Gertrude
    Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
    I was recently told by a SSPX priest that it is okay to go to a NO priest for Confession, but only Confession. The way he explained it, to the best of my understanding, is that Confession is a "personal" sacrament, where as the Mass or Communion is for the Church. He warned me not to attend the NO Mass however, because it can cause the loss of faith, and that the sacrament of Communion may not be valid, and it wasn't worth the risk.

    Does this sound right to you guys? It seemed to make sense to me as he explained it, but I am a bit unsure now.


    I once many years ago went to a NO priest because that was all that was available here in Utah.  He denigrated Tradition, told me I was behind the times and that I 'needed to come into present time' with the church and on and on.  He basically mocked my "silliness" in wanting to lead an authentic Catholic life.  Needless to say, that is the last time I went to a NO priest for confession. :cry:



    It seems to me that telling a Novus Ordo priest in confession anything about your
    normal attendance at the CTLM is a mistake.  It's not a sin to go to the Traditional
    Mass, so why tell about it when you're supposed to be talking about your sins?  
    When you bring it up, you may be opening a can of worms, because the priest is
    likely prejudiced against the CTLM for any one or a combination of reasons.  

    Now, there's a possibility that he will sense something is 'different' about you, due
    to your description of your sins.  If you tell him, for example, that you started to
    eat meat on Friday by mistake but finished it anyway, that may be a red flag for
    him.  Even though it shouldn't, really, because Friday abstinence is still the norm,
    you're just told you can 'substitute' an equivalent penance, and so on.  But he
    probably never hears about that, so he'll start asking questions, like "Where do
    you normally go to Mass," and the like.  

    So you can avoid that whole thing by being more circuмspect, provided it doesn't
    conceal a mortal sin.  You're not obliged to tell the confessor every venial sin for
    which you seek absolution, you know.  You can get absolution for venial sin by
    making a devout sign of the cross with holy water, and asking God for
    forgiveness.  You can even get it by kissing your brown scapular and asking the
    same thing.  

    The last time I went to a Novus Ordo priest for confession, my daughter was in
    line in front of me.  When she went in, there was some noise audible from inside,
    and then she emerged with tears in her eyes.  I left the lineup (about 5 people)
    for a few minutes and spoke to her about it privately.  She said that the priest
    asked her where she went to Mass (it was in regards to some sin she had
    confessed in connection with Mass, but I didn't want to know what it was
    because that's under the seal) and she had told him it was the "old Mass, the
    traditional Mass."  That's when the priest got loud, and scolded her for going
    to a Mass that is not 'approved' because that's a mortal sin!  That must have
    been the noise I had heard.  I assured her that he had been wrong, and that
    I would take care of this for her.  Let me put it this way:  the priest had picked
    on the wrong child that day.

    So I got back in line, and when it was my turn, I went in and did the preliminaries,
    and then at last, I said that I had taken my daughter to an older liturgy Mass.  I
    could hear him sit up straight and take notice.  His tone changed.  He was
    gearing up for battle with me!  He asked me a question and I answered it, and
    he started to get very cross and angry.  Right in the middle of his diatribe, which
    made very little objective sense, for it was a bunch of Novordien doublespeak, I
    interrupted him by saying that I had taken her "to an Armenian Orthodox Divine
    Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom."  It was true, for I had actually done this with
    her, only a few weeks prior to this time.  I was dumbfounded by his reaction!

    He stopped dead in his tracks, audibly releasing pent-up air, sank into his seat,
    and hemmed and hawed for a moment, then meekly assured me that was okay,
    and nothing to worry about!  It was a 180-degree about-face!  He entirely
    reversed his manner and message, as if he were utterly terrified of the prospect
    of having anything critical to say of the Orthodox.  Most instructive.  

    I'm telling you this to demonstrate that what you tell a Novus Ordo priest in
    confession has to be within his own sphere of expertise.  Do not expect him to
    handle something outside his area of knowledge.  You are going there for his
    absolution (provided it's valid) and you are not looking for erroneous
    indoctrination.  

    Additionally, your purpose in confessing is not to instruct the ignorant priest.  
    You are not going in there to wage war with the enemy.  That is, you're waging
    war with the Adversary, not with the priest who hears your confession!  And
    that is actually why that was my last time, because I realized, I went in there
    with a double purpose, to confess my sins, and to put the priest into his place.

    I may have succeeded, but I did not want to make a habit of abusing the
    sacrament.  After all, I wasn't the one who started that, and I had to defend
    my dear daughter who was a victim of his abusive lie.  I said a few prayers for
    him, and my daughter was okay after I explained it all to her.  It worked for her
    spiritual maturity beyond words can describe.  So all is well...............




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    « Reply #22 on: November 10, 2012, 09:19:45 AM »
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  • The issue was my anger over the way Tradition is treated in this diocese.  In retrospect, I should not have brought it up in confession.  But it really made it clear to me what would happen in confession with a NO priest.


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    « Reply #23 on: November 10, 2012, 02:47:35 PM »
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  • Quote from: St Gertrude
    The issue was my anger over the way Tradition is treated in this diocese.  In retrospect, I should not have brought it up in confession.  But it really made it clear to me what would happen in confession with a NO priest.


    That is common treatment in most US Dioceses, which is why Bishop Fellay's proposed agreement with Rome is sheer lunacy. I wouldn't consider receiving any sacraments from the Novus Ordo Church, but especially Confession. That Church simply isn't Catholic. No better than the Baptist Church down the block.

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    « Reply #24 on: November 10, 2012, 05:33:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: Sienna629
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    The issue was my anger over the way Tradition is treated in this diocese.  In retrospect, I should not have brought it up in confession.  But it really made it clear to me what would happen in confession with a NO priest.


    That is common treatment in most US Dioceses, which is why Bishop Fellay's proposed agreement with Rome is sheer lunacy. I wouldn't consider receiving any sacraments from the Novus Ordo Church, but especially Confession. That Church simply isn't Catholic. No better than the Baptist Church down the block.


    Yes, there is a Unitarian Church on the same block as where I live and I often say that why should people bother to get to the downtown NO cathedral (which is a real feat on our bus system) but just go over to the Unitarian Church.  Both the NO Cathedral and the UUs make no sense whatsoever--and both are about equadistant from anything resembling Catholic Tradition.  Not sure what the services are like at the UUs, as I have never gone there, but at the Cathedral, you will be treated to Stations of the Cross adorned with new age symbols, etc.

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    « Reply #25 on: November 11, 2012, 05:24:45 PM »
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  • To answer the OP, of course it is.  :smile: As the NO has been recognised by the Pope as legitimate, you are free to go there as often as you please.


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    « Reply #26 on: November 11, 2012, 06:26:59 PM »
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  • Priest have not true ordinations since 1969, before Young Ireland came to be. No ordination = no powers from God, no Precious Blood., which is required to take away sin.

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    « Reply #27 on: November 11, 2012, 06:39:12 PM »
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    Priest have not true ordinations since 1969, before Young Ireland came to be. No ordination = no powers from God, no Precious Blood., which is required to take away sin.

    don't you mean riests not ordained in the traitional rite are not valid..there are priests ordained after 1969 i the traditional rite...just not in the nuovus order...no?

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    « Reply #28 on: November 11, 2012, 08:32:18 PM »
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  • Some traditional.  SSPX are taking in NO priest and are not being re-ordained.  That is a problem.

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    « Reply #29 on: November 11, 2012, 09:07:15 PM »
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    Some traditional.  SSPX are taking in NO priest and are not being re-ordained.  That is a problem.

    then those confessions wouldn't be valid, why wouldn't they re ordain them?