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Offline SeanJohnson

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Novena to Blessed John Paul II the Great:
« on: October 06, 2013, 08:37:03 AM »
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  • An Anonymous SSPX Priest
    Internet - 2012
    (Quoted in Fr. Rioult's "The Impossible Reconciliation," pp. 42-47).
    -Numerous footnotes omitted


    "O Blessed John Paul, you who so 'respectfully' kissed the Koran; you who in the "sacred forest" of Togo, leaning over a 'dried pumpkin full of water and corn flour,' 'prayed for the first time with the animists'; you who invoked the 'Powers of Water'; you who praised the 'deep religiosity of Luther'; you who put Confucious, Buddha, Zoroaster, and Muhammad on par with Jesus Christ; you who through love of religious freedom pushed the last Catholic states to no longer profess the true religion as the state religion; you who have always known how to please our 'elder brothers,' by recognizing that 'the old Covenant has never been revoked,' help your traditionalist brothers so that they may arrive at 'full reconciliation' so 'that they may become one.'

    "O Blessed John Paul, you who suffered so much from the integrists Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop de Castro Mayer who refused you the title of Good Shepherd, intercede with the God of the modernists and with the UN consciousness of humanity, ana strengthen your faithful successor, Benedict, who has happily glorified you, that he may succeed 'in breaking down the obstinacy and narrowness' of the SSPX 'to make room for what is positive and retrievable for all.'  Grant also that he remembers his experience, where he 'saw, in the years after 1988, how the return of communities which had been separated from Rome changed their interior attitudes; saw how returning to the bigger and broader Church enabled them to move beyond one-sided positions and broke down rigidity so that positive energies could emerge for the whole.'

    "Oh Blessed John Paul, may Benedict persevere faithfully in your teaching corrupted with heresies, to 'confirm his brothers' with zeal, without abandoning 'the compass of the Church for the 21st Century: the Second Vatican Council," that he may keep the 'post-conciliar magisterium of the Popes' because 'the Church's teaching authority cannot be frozen in the year 1962 - this must be quite clear to the Society,' In this way the Church can be the sacrament of world peace.

    "O Blessed John Paul, fortify Bishop Fellay so that he enlightens the skeptics who doubt that the SSPX has obtained, by its millions of Rosaries, what had been requested.  May these 'men of little faith' understand that asking for the social kingship of Christ and achieving a 'healthy secularity' is the same thing.  That asking for 'the reinstatement of the rights of the Tridentine Mass' and getting an 'Extraordinary Rite' deemed to be as holy as the bastard Mass promoted as the 'Ordinary Rite' is the same thing.  That requesting the withdrawal of and obtaining the lifting of the excommunications the Society has always contested, it is the same thing.  That to attribute these graces to the Holy Virgin is not blasphemy, but reveals a supernatural spirit.

    "O Blessed John Paul, help the priests and faithful always to trust blindly the Superior General of the SSPX; that he will come to persuade them that things have changed in Rome.  That Benedict XVI didn't want Assisi III, and this is why he 'caused Assisi to flop,' and 'wanted it to fail.'  And, after your beatification, so desired by the villainous partisans of the hermeneutics of rupture, he heroically declared, but in private, 'And now that's enough!'  Otherwise saying, leave me in peace with this doccier.  In short, help them to trust this pope who through diplomacy does things that are gravely contrary to the faith, and who does not adhere to it himself, and who is prepared to do evil and work better afterwards for the glory of God, the good of the Church and the salvation of souls.

    "O Blessed John Paul, give more and more supernatural prudence to Bishop Fellay to successfully go against the wished of the General Chapter of 2006 regarding the 'Relations with Rome.'  That the members accept that the ultimate decision belongs only to the 'Superior General in his Council' and that the true principle which must direct the SSPX is no longer the 'luminous principle' of the founder" 'The official link to modernist Rome is nothing next to the preservation of the faith,' nor the Chapter's: 'no practical agreement without a doctrinal agreement,' but 'the only true principle is to remain Catholic' in the Conciliar Church.

    "Oh Blessed John Paul, thank you for having changed Bishop Fellay's mind, who mistakenly thought that Benedict XVI 'himself feels completely and theologically committed to Vatican II.  His teachings and government of the Church fall directly within the spirit of the Council.  The proof is that he wants to incorporate us into the Church, according to ecuмenical concepts.  He is practicing ecuмenism with us.'  Thank you especially for making him understand the errors of Archbishop Lefebvre who was among those who 'do things to facilitate an identification between the official Church and the modernist Church.  But it is an error, because we're talking about a concrete reality.'

    "Oh Blessed John Paul, we ask that the un-Catholic and completely unrealistic claim of Archbishop Lefebvre be stopped forever, since 'Rome never loses face;' that the SSPX agrees to be free in a free Church.  That blessed John XXIII and Blessed Pius IX make understandable, to those who have a false notion of 'living Tradition,' and its 'concrete reality,' that the pope of the aggiornamento and the pope of the Syllabus must coexist peacefully in the great Church, which is 'Communion.'  That 'the Roman Pontiff' with the SSPX 'can, and ought to, reconcile himself, and come to terms with progress, liberalism, and modern civilization.'  That the SSPX too must be 'from now on a miserable tributary of the great movement of apostasy being organized in every country for the establishment of a One-World Church.'

    "Oh Blessed John Paul, appeal to the Father of Lies that Christian hope and optimism silence the 'prophets of doom.'  O Prince of Darkness finish your work!  You have no time to deceive 'if you can, even the elect.'  Convince them that it is not necessary for the Catholic Church to be against the Conciliar Church.  Help them, as modern men, 'to baptize good what is evil and true what is false, so they become untruth themselves.'  Smoke of Satan, make it that we no longer know what or when to believe or think.  O prophetic words: 'In this new climate, we have the firm hope to obtain soon the recognition of the rights of Catholic Tradition.'  O captious words said six months later: 'We are at war, we must not forget!'  The happy ending approaches because if 'Rome denies the principle of non-contradiction,' today it is no longer alone.

    "Oh Blessed John Paul hasten the coming of the sweet day of the beautiful 'agreement' of those who 'disagree!'  And give us peace and kissed.  Shalom!"
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


    Offline John Grace

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    Novena to Blessed John Paul II the Great:
    « Reply #1 on: October 06, 2013, 08:42:02 AM »
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  • Have you stopped attending the SSPX and joined the Catholic Resistance, Sean? Are you one of those who 'resists' from within? As The Recusant pointed out and using a quote from Archbishop Lefebvre, that position is an  illusion.



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    « Reply #2 on: October 06, 2013, 12:41:20 PM »
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  • Quote from: John Grace
    Have you stopped attending the SSPX and joined the Catholic Resistance, Sean? Are you one of those who 'resists' from within? As The Recusant pointed out and using a quote from Archbishop Lefebvre, that position is an  illusion.



    Pffft....

    Are you one of those sitting in your basement this morning, trying to convince yourself you are sinning if you go to Mass?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #3 on: October 07, 2013, 08:48:26 PM »
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  •  :nunchaku: :nunchaku:Are you one of those sitting in your basement this morning, trying to convince yourself you are sinning if you go to Mass?

    Sean, be gentle, use sparingly.

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    « Reply #4 on: October 07, 2013, 09:40:25 PM »
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  • Everyone should have to answer the question-directly: DO YOU GO TO YOUR LOCAL SSPX PARISH ANY LONGER OR NOT?  It's a simple question....there's no need to impugn bad intentions to EVERYONE who asks it...I still go...I didn't care for the Indult...or the Maronite Mass in Greer...in fact we only go there when they have a big barbeque-which cost $ btw-but the food is worth the trip...


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    « Reply #5 on: October 07, 2013, 09:47:06 PM »
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  • Of course, naturally. we attend the Resistance Mass whenever it's available...but I feel bad about NOT going to the Rosary March in dowtown Charlotte on saturday...I neglected to put it on our calendar and we forgot..but I wish we had gone...not everyone in the SSPX is a Fellay-bot...but that lttr that was posted was pretty bad..so bad, in fact, that I almost thought he was being facetious..

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    « Reply #6 on: October 08, 2013, 01:21:45 PM »
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  • .

    Note:  Pls use attached .doc file to download and print
    my corrected copy of your very useful prayer to JPII the... well, whatever.
    It no doubt will come in very handy at your next Accordista gathering.
    We must show our 'solidarity' with The Great One, who demands our 'obedience'
    (even though he has no jurisdiction).



    BTW ~ What corrections, you may ask?  FYI there are several typos that do
    not "sit" very well when you pass out printed copies of stuff, e.g.:



    THIS:

    "O Blessed John Paul, give more and more supernatural prudence to Bishop Fellay to successfully go against the wished of the General Chapter of 2006 regarding the 'Relations with Rome.'..."

    SHOULD READ:

    "O Blessed John Paul, give more and more supernatural 'prudence' to Bishop Fellay so as to more successfully go against the wishes of the General Chapter of 2006 regarding the Society's 'Relations with Rome.' ..."



    Quote from: SeanJohnson
    Quote from: John Grace
    Have you stopped attending the SSPX and joined the Catholic Resistance, Sean? Are you one of those who 'resists' from within? As The Recusant pointed out and using a quote from Archbishop Lefebvre, that position is an  illusion.



    Pffft....


    Sound effects department:  Sean pops the top
    of another "cold one" while he bemuses the
    ridiculousness of his situation.  
    We do hope our friend S. Johnson is keeping a 'grip'
    because these are suspiciously dangerous behavior patterns.
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    Are you one of those sitting in your basement this morning, trying to convince yourself you are sinning if you go to Mass?



    It might be interesting to find out, at the Last Judgment, just
    how many saints there were in our time to be found from time
    to time occasionally "sitting in their basement" praying their
    Rosary, singing hymns and litanies, offering their sufferings as
    penance, examining their lives, for "the unexamined life is not
    worth living," and planning their next move, because to act
    without a plan is to abandon all action to the vicissitudes of
    that which may be or that which might not be, but it in no way
    is to be "wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove."

    Maybe someone (perhaps Sean?) will have the gumption
    to stand up at a Society Mass and make an announcement,
    when one of their conspicuous heresies are pronounced from
    the pulpit?  



    And then again,.............. maybe not.  (Lumiere from Beauty and the Beast)



    Quote from: Charlotte NC Bill
    Everyone should have to answer the question-directly: DO YOU GO TO YOUR LOCAL SSPX PARISH ANY LONGER OR NOT?  It's a simple question....there's no need to impugn bad intentions to EVERYONE who asks it...I still go...I didn't care for the Indult...or the Maronite Mass in Greer...in fact we only go there when they have a big barbeque-which cost $ btw-but the food is worth the trip...

    ...

    ...Of course, naturally. we attend the Resistance Mass whenever it's available.


    For you, CNC B., the Resistance Mass must be as a breath of fresh air.

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    ..but I feel bad about NOT going to the Rosary March in downtown Charlotte on Saturday...I neglected to put it on our calendar and we forgot..but I wish we had gone...not everyone in the SSPX is a Fellay-bot...



    Thanks, Bill, that's great to hear.  Likewise, therefore, not everyone
    in the SSPX is Not-A-Fellay-Bot.  

    That gives me an idea for a Halloween costume!  


    Quote
    but that lttr that was posted was pretty bad..so bad, in fact, that I almost thought he was being facetious..



    What letter????





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    « Reply #7 on: October 08, 2013, 07:04:21 PM »
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  • Wow Neil..if I thought I was providing you that much to plow through I might have written less :cheers:


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    « Reply #8 on: October 08, 2013, 11:31:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: Charlotte NC Bill
    Wow Neil..if I thought I was providing you that much to plow through I might have written less :cheers:



    On that note, I'm gonna have me a Guinness.  And a cigar.   :smoke-pot:




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    « Reply #9 on: October 09, 2013, 12:31:48 PM »
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  • Now I have finally figured out why I really like this guy.

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    « Reply #10 on: October 09, 2013, 02:44:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: SeanJohnson
    Quote from: John Grace
    Have you stopped attending the SSPX and joined the Catholic Resistance, Sean? Are you one of those who 'resists' from within? As The Recusant pointed out and using a quote from Archbishop Lefebvre, that position is an  illusion.



    Pffft....

    Are you one of those sitting in your basement this morning, trying to convince yourself you are sinning if you go to Mass?





            Is this the mindset of the Ignis Ardens boat people?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    « Reply #11 on: October 09, 2013, 03:11:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: Incredulous
    Quote from: SeanJohnson
    Quote from: John Grace
    Have you stopped attending the SSPX and joined the Catholic Resistance, Sean? Are you one of those who 'resists' from within? As The Recusant pointed out and using a quote from Archbishop Lefebvre, that position is an  illusion.



    Pffft....

    Are you one of those sitting in your basement this morning, trying to convince yourself you are sinning if you go to Mass?





            Is this the mindset of the Ignis Ardens boat people?



    ...the implication of the insinuation being that there are roughly only 24 priests on the face of the planet offering worship acceptable to God?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #12 on: October 09, 2013, 05:34:47 PM »
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  • Isn’t it true that only the integral Faith can please God?

    Isn’t it also true that the Prophet Elias, as with his other Israelites offered the same sacrifice to God, and it was only Elias who pleased God with the True integral Faith, and the others went to shame and death (1 Kings)?

    In the same example too for the integral Faith of Able offering a sacrifice to God with his brother Cain (Geneses)?  Same too with King David; Abraham; Noah; Melchisedech; Solomon; Moses; etc… who pleased God, and the others were put to shame and death?

    In the vastness of Scripture and Church History of the New Testement, isn’t then only those souls who have the True integral Faith, without compromise, that have pleased God with their sacrifice?

    Such is the central crisis of the SSPX in our time…

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  • Quote from: Machabees
    Isn’t it true that only the integral Faith can please God?

    Isn’t it also true that the Prophet Elias, as with his other Israelites offered the same sacrifice to God, and it was only Elias who pleased God with the True integral Faith, and the others went to shame and death (1 Kings)?

    In the same example too for the integral Faith of Able offering a sacrifice to God with his brother Cain (Geneses)?  Same too with King David; Abraham; Noah; Melchisedech; Solomon; Moses; etc… who pleased God, and the others were put to shame and death?

    In the vastness of Scripture and Church History of the New Testement, isn’t then only those souls who have the True integral Faith, without compromise, that have pleased God with their sacrifice?

    Such is the central crisis of the SSPX in our time…


    Yea Machabees,

    Your holy forum name... mirrors the wisdom of your post.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #14 on: October 09, 2013, 07:15:33 PM »
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  • Quote from: Machabees
    Isn’t it true that only the integral Faith can please God?

    Isn’t it also true that the Prophet Elias, as with his other Israelites offered the same sacrifice to God, and it was only Elias who pleased God with the True integral Faith, and the others went to shame and death (1 Kings)?

    In the same example too for the integral Faith of Able offering a sacrifice to God with his brother Cain (Geneses)?  Same too with King David; Abraham; Noah; Melchisedech; Solomon; Moses; etc… who pleased God, and the others were put to shame and death?

    In the vastness of Scripture and Church History of the New Testement, isn’t then only those souls who have the True integral Faith, without compromise, that have pleased God with their sacrifice?

    Such is the central crisis of the SSPX in our time…


    Is it true that only 24 priests have the integral faith?



    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."