Author Topic: Nothing Said at Parish Level - Is that by Order? (Read 5171 times)

bowler · « **on:** October 27, 2012, 05:24:56 AM »

At our parish there is nothing ever said directly in the sermons about the accord, or the priests who defied it, or the situation with Bishop Williamson.
The sermons beat around the bush but never really come out and say anything clear. The only people who know that anything is happening are the ones on the internet. I'd say that as many as 95% of the parishioners do not know anything other than "the talks with Rome are still ongoing, last news was they rejected what we asked for".

Nobody understands what the obscure sermons mean, so, they turn off mentally during the sermons, which are always about obedience and how evil the internet is.

Is this going on all over? If so, I believe is a planned tactic of Menzingen, to keep the laity ill informed.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** October 27, 2012, 06:04:00 AM »

Menzingen Mission:

keep them praying
paying
obeying

Francisco · « **Reply #2 on:** October 27, 2012, 06:30:32 AM »

Quote from: bowler

At our parish there is nothing ever said directly in the sermons about the accord, or the priests who defied it, or the situation with Bishop Williamson.
The sermons beat around the bush but never really come out and say anything clear. The only people who know that anything is happening are the ones on the internet. I'd say that as many as 95% of the parishioners do not know anything other than "the talks with Rome are still ongoing, last news was they rejected what we asked for".

Nobody understands what the obscure sermons mean, so, they turn off mentally during the sermons, which are always about obedience and how evil the internet is.

Is this going on all over? If so, I believe is a planned tactic of Menzingen, to keep the laity ill informed.

They don't want to disturb the collection plate. Somehow, in these days of the internet and the sms, I think the collection plate is going to be disturbed. Another thing, some people ( I think Mr John Lane is one ) have said that many (if not all? ...And how do they know? ) of the (anti-Fellay) posters on IA and CI are non-SSPX adherents who seek only disruption in that Society. If this is true, then the collection plate will not be affected that much. Now, let's see!

bowler · « **Reply #3 on:** October 27, 2012, 06:40:06 AM »

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I'd say that as many as 95% of the parishioners do not know anything other than "the talks with Rome are still ongoing, last news was they rejected what we asked for".

Those 95% are breaking their backs working and providing for their children, and they don't have the time to study these things. It is up to the ones that know, to educate them as to what is really going on, but in a prudent way, never assuming that they are your enemy. Go for the biggest families, the most important people and educate them. SSPX parishes are really only composed of a few families, like four big families can clear out a chapel. Most of the parish work is done by very few people. Educate them!

"A foreign body, foreigners have come into our parishes to divide us. It is not us who have changed, we are still the same friends that you've known for 2-30 years. These people have taken our church from us. They now have started throwing out our best priests (Hewko, Pfeiffer,...etc., and now Bishop Williamson.), and will eventually throw us out, and keep everything WE BUILT!!!"

Raphaela · « **Reply #4 on:** October 27, 2012, 06:56:45 AM »

Quote from: bowler

At our parish there is nothing ever said directly in the sermons about the accord, or the priests who defied it, or the situation with Bishop Williamson.

Obviously, they will play it down. Silence is safest for them. The less people know, the fewer questions they will ask, and the idea that there is any opposition at all can be swept under the carpet.

John Grace · « **Reply #5 on:** October 27, 2012, 07:00:49 AM »

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Those 95% are breaking their backs working and providing for their children, and they don't have the time to study these things. It is up to the ones that know, to educate them as to what is really going on, but in a prudent way, never assuming that they are your enemy. Go for the biggest families, the most important people and educate them. SSPX parishes are really only composed of a few families, like four big families can clear out a chapel. Most of the parish work is done by very few people. Educate them!

I agree.It's necessary to educate them but in a polite way. I was taken to task over the telephone for suggesting people were sheeple. It was a total misunderstanding.
It took one woman eight months to learn about 'Krahgate'. I found it hard to believe.

I accept some might find it difficult that Bishop Fellay or their priest has betrayed them but they must face reality.

John Grace · « **Reply #6 on:** October 27, 2012, 07:25:17 AM »

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never assuming that they are your enemy.

A valid point.

John Grace · « **Reply #7 on:** October 27, 2012, 07:26:48 AM »

Quote from: Raphaela

Quote from: bowler
At our parish there is nothing ever said directly in the sermons about the accord, or the priests who defied it, or the situation with Bishop Williamson.

Obviously, they will play it down. Silence is safest for them. The less people know, the fewer questions they will ask, and the idea that there is any opposition at all can be swept under the carpet.

Indeed.

John Grace · « **Reply #8 on:** October 27, 2012, 07:35:58 AM »

In my experience, the people I know are the greatest you could meet, and on good terms with eachother. One or two here and there are for the agreement but my advice would be to oppose this agreement with Rome. The one or two may not always remain friends but I am sticking with our anti-agreement comrades.

Sad if a parish divides but my support is for those opposing the agreement. I don't support the agreement.

stgobnait · « **Reply #9 on:** October 27, 2012, 07:43:16 AM »

well i find the silence on BW's expulsion deafening.... people are fearful to speak of it, so unless something is said from the pulpits, this could become a non event for most people....

John Grace · « **Reply #10 on:** October 27, 2012, 07:58:11 AM »

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well i find the silence on BW's expulsion deafening.... people are fearful to speak of it, so unless something is said from the pulpits, this could become a non event for most people....

The only way to deal with the expulsion of the Bishop is

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11198

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Hit Them Where it Hurts Them Most!

Withdrawal of Donations and Project Funding and Legacies. Only Pennies in the Plate.

Withdrawal of Practical Assistance: Tea Rooms, Book Repositories, Chauffering, Cleaning, Flowers, Cooking

Let them Whine Instead of Wine!

Force Them to Stand Up and Act.

All Funding and Assistance Should Be Directed to:

Bishop Williamson via Eleison Comments PayPal
http://www.dinoscopus.org/

Fr's Chazal and Pfeifer
c/o Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church
1730 N. Stillwell Road
Boston, Kentucky 40107
USA

Benedictine Monastery of the Holy Cross via PayPal
dan_rp1@hotmail.com

bowler · « **Reply #11 on:** October 27, 2012, 08:09:51 AM »

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well i find the silence on BW's expulsion deafening.... people are fearful to speak of it, so unless something is said from the pulpits, this could become a non event for most people....

I disagree that "people are fearful to speak of it". From my experience 95% don't even know there's anything happening other than as I said:

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"the talks with Rome are still ongoing, last news was they rejected what we asked for".

It's up to us to educate them. The Bishop williamson expulsion is a great opportunity to start educating people. I'll bet the expulsion won't even be mentioned in the sermons around the USA. Transparency is totally missing in the SSPX now.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #12 on:** October 27, 2012, 09:30:19 AM »

Quote from: bowler

Quote from: bowler
I'd say that as many as 95% of the parishioners do not know anything other than "the talks with Rome are still ongoing, last news was they rejected what we asked for".

Those 95% are breaking their backs working and providing for their children, and they don't have the time to study these things. It is up to the ones that know, to educate them as to what is really going on, but in a prudent way, never assuming that they are your enemy. Go for the biggest families, the most important people and educate them. SSPX parishes are really only composed of a few families, like four big families can clear out a chapel. Most of the parish work is done by very few people. Educate them!

"A foreign body, foreigners have come into our parishes to divide us. It is not us who have changed, we are still the same friends that you've known for 2-30 years. These people have taken our church from us. They now have started throwing out our best priests (Hewko, Pfeiffer,...etc., and now Bishop Williamson.), and will eventually throw us out, and keep everything WE BUILT!!!"

It is encouraging to see this message getting circulated. It must be done in all
charity. The manner of speaking is sometimes more important than the content.
Do not be concerned you are not saying enough, but rather be concerned that
you are not saying it in a way that will not be rejected out of hand.

People today (and always) are very sensitive to attitude.

Obama would never have been elected the first time around if he had shown his
true meanness and contemptuous character, which is now starting to emerge, and
will be his downfall. But this thread isn't about politics.

Catholics need to know but how to tell them when they don't like to feel ignorant?

eddiearent · « **Reply #13 on:** October 27, 2012, 12:42:30 PM »

I have sent a small donation today to Our Lady of Mt. Carmel church. Vote with your wallet.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #14 on:** October 27, 2012, 04:19:36 PM »

Quote from: stgobnait

well i find the silence on BW's expulsion deafening.... people are fearful to speak of it, so unless something is said from the pulpits, this could become a non event for most people....

When I went to Mass last week, alot of the senior citizens were talking about it. One little old lady was cute. She said that they will fight for their Church.

There are many younger families with alot of children who really don't need this betrayal. Here they are trying to maintain a household, homeschool and gas money etc and high taxes because many had Jersey tags.. and the sspx hierarchy are selfish and mean....

I feel that many priests especially maybe the younger ones are just caught in the middle...

and some of them are flying to various parishes.