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Offline Mr G

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Notes from the SSPX 3rd Order Chaplain
« on: March 18, 2020, 04:10:29 PM »
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    • Dear Tertiaries,
     
     As of right now, most of the States throughout the country have limited gatherings to 50 persons. The priests are offering Masses, our churches are open, the Sacraments will be available. The priests will do their best for you!  We do, however, have to comply with the regulations. It is not my job to give directives, but I would just like to make some reflections on what our spirit should be.  
    • while the enemies of Christ work against His Mystical Body, there is no reason to see this as positive persecution of Catholics. Do not get all nutty!
    • regarding the Sunday obligation -
      • we do not speak of sin where there is physical impossibility of attending mass; sanctify the Sunday by extra prayers, e.g. say the 15 mysteries, read your missal, and some spiritual reading. 
      • we do not speak of sin where there is moral impossibility of attending mass; e.g. if you are elderly and you prudently decide not to attend - sanctify the Sunday as above. The Baltimore Catechism teaches this.
    • In the missions, in most cases the priests will offer more masses. This still may not accommodate everyone! It would be a shame if you had mass on Saturday evening then came also on Sunday, meanwhile the family who was further away could not enter. If numbers are going to be pressing, consider your Saturday mass good for Sunday.  
    • Not everyone will get to a mass. Be content with the possibility of distribution of Holy Communion.
    • be charitable to others... 
      • if time in the Church is limited, leave when you are asked so the next group can get in.
      • if you know of elderly people staying away, look out for them and offer to bring them things they may need
    Be patient during this time; offer it as one of your penances of Lent. Be ready to adapt to this difficulty and be of whatever assistance you can to your pastor.
     
     In Christ,
     Fr. Adam Purdy
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    Re: Notes from the SSPX 3rd Order Chaplain
    « Reply #1 on: March 18, 2020, 04:31:45 PM »
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    • There’s nothing wrong with any of this. Why the heck is this even in this subsection? Mr. G you pull at non-existent straws
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    Re: Notes from the SSPX 3rd Order Chaplain
    « Reply #2 on: March 19, 2020, 10:04:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Banezian on March 18, 2020, 04:31:45 PM
    Mr. G you pull at non-existent straws
    And your jumping to conclusions.
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    Re: Notes from the SSPX 3rd Order Chaplain
    « Reply #3 on: April 03, 2020, 05:35:10 AM »
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    • There is in fact something wrong with it. Fr. Purdy says "consider your Saturday mass good for Sunday". Only in the Conciliar Church is a Saturday evening Mass good for Sunday. In the Catholic Church the Sunday Mass must be on Sunday.
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    Re: Notes from the SSPX 3rd Order Chaplain
    « Reply #4 on: April 03, 2020, 02:47:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Kolar on April 03, 2020, 05:35:10 AM
    There is in fact something wrong with it. Fr. Purdy says "consider your Saturday mass good for Sunday". Only in the Conciliar Church is a Saturday evening Mass good for Sunday. In the Catholic Church the Sunday Mass must be on Sunday.
    He’s only saying that in the event there is no Mass on Sunday. Going to Mass on a Saturday is better than not going at all
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    Re: Notes from the SSPX 3rd Order Chaplain
    « Reply #5 on: April 03, 2020, 04:58:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Banezian on April 03, 2020, 02:47:10 PM
    He’s only saying that in the event there is no Mass on Sunday. Going to Mass on a Saturday is better than not going at all

    Also, when the obligation no longer objectively applies, going on Saturday is just as good as going on Sunday.  In both cases, it's then a question of voluntary attendance.
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    Re: Notes from the SSPX 3rd Order Chaplain
    « Reply #6 on: April 03, 2020, 05:24:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 03, 2020, 04:58:21 PM
    Also, when the obligation no longer objectively applies...
    Assisting at Holy Mass at a location that has NO canonical status doesn't fulfill the obligation anyway.  In other words, when all that is available are a mishmash of wildcat chapels run by vagus priests, the obligation, strictly speaking, is nonexistent anyway.  Assistance can be a laudable act motivated by charity, but it does not (and cannot) fulfill the requirements of justice, as outlined by the law itself.  Such are the times we live in...
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    Re: Notes from the SSPX 3rd Order Chaplain
    « Reply #7 on: April 03, 2020, 08:51:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on April 03, 2020, 05:24:36 PM
    Assisting at Holy Mass at a location that has NO canonical status doesn't fulfill the obligation anyway.  In other words, when all that is available are a mishmash of wildcat chapels run by vagus priests, the obligation, strictly speaking, is nonexistent anyway.  Assistance can be a laudable act motivated by charity, but it does not (and cannot) fulfill the requirements of justice, as outlined by the law itself.  Such are the times we live in...
    How does the SSPX have no canonical status?
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    Re: Notes from the SSPX 3rd Order Chaplain
    « Reply #8 on: April 03, 2020, 08:54:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on April 03, 2020, 05:24:36 PM
    Assisting at Holy Mass at a location that has NO canonical status doesn't fulfill the obligation anyway.  In other words, when all that is available are a mishmash of wildcat chapels run by vagus priests, the obligation, strictly speaking, is nonexistent anyway.  Assistance can be a laudable act motivated by charity, but it does not (and cannot) fulfill the requirements of justice, as outlined by the law itself.  Such are the times we live in...
    I mean, technically, you're not wrong.
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    Re: Notes from the SSPX 3rd Order Chaplain
    « Reply #9 on: April 03, 2020, 08:59:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on April 03, 2020, 05:24:36 PM
    Assisting at Holy Mass at a location that has NO canonical status doesn't fulfill the obligation anyway.  In other words, when all that is available are a mishmash of wildcat chapels run by vagus priests, the obligation, strictly speaking, is nonexistent anyway.  Assistance can be a laudable act motivated by charity, but it does not (and cannot) fulfill the requirements of justice, as outlined by the law itself.  Such are the times we live in...
    Bingo!
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    Re: Notes from the SSPX 3rd Order Chaplain
    « Reply #10 on: April 05, 2020, 05:01:45 AM »
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    • Fr. Purdy did not mention the Sunday obligation. He said your Saturday Mass counts for Sunday. That is wrong.

    The Commandment of God which obliges always and everywhere and in all circuмstances is to keep the Sunday Holy. The chief and most important way to keep the Sunday holy is to assist at Mass. That is why the church made a commandment that we should assist at Mass on Sundays and holy days of obligation. You are saying that the commandment of the Church no longer obliges because to keep it we have to assist at Mass in the parish church and the Mass is not available in most parish churches. Fine.
    The commandment of God still obliges and a Saturday Mass cannot count for a Sunday Mass. Going to Mass on Saturday does not help me to keep the Sunday holy. Going to Mass on Sunday does.
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    Re: Notes from the SSPX 3rd Order Chaplain
    « Reply #11 on: April 05, 2020, 07:14:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on April 03, 2020, 05:24:36 PM
    Assisting at Holy Mass at a location that has NO canonical status doesn't fulfill the obligation anyway.  In other words, when all that is available are a mishmash of wildcat chapels run by vagus priests, the obligation, strictly speaking, is nonexistent anyway.  Assistance can be a laudable act motivated by charity, but it does not (and cannot) fulfill the requirements of justice, as outlined by the law itself.  Such are the times we live in...
    Are you a "home-aloner"? This post and another one you made awhile back makes it sound like you may be.
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    Re: Notes from the SSPX 3rd Order Chaplain
    « Reply #12 on: April 05, 2020, 07:33:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on April 05, 2020, 07:14:26 AM
    Are you a "home-aloner"? This post and another one you made awhile back makes it sound like you may be.
    Hi Vermont, I agree with him and you know I’m not a home-aloner. Just because a valid Catholic priest sets up a chapel next door to you, doesn’t mean that by attending his mass on Sunday you are fulfilling your Sunday obligation. To fulfill your obligation you must attend a canonically erected church or chapel. What I said isn’t meant to suggest that you shouldn’t attend mass and receive the sacraments and I believe that Gladius meant just that.
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    Re: Notes from the SSPX 3rd Order Chaplain
    « Reply #13 on: April 05, 2020, 07:37:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on April 05, 2020, 07:33:07 AM
    Hi Vermont, I agree with him and you know I’m not a home-aloner. Just because a valid Catholic priest sets up a chapel next door to you, doesn’t mean that by attending his mass on Sunday you are fulfilling your Sunday obligation. To fulfill your obligation you must attend a canonically erected church or chapel. What I said isn’t meant to suggest that you shouldn’t attend mass and receive the sacraments and I believe that Gladius meant just that.
    I am basing it on his other post as well.  Typically those who use terms such as "vagus" about our traditional priests are home-aloners.
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    Re: Notes from the SSPX 3rd Order Chaplain
    « Reply #14 on: April 05, 2020, 07:48:01 AM »
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    • FYI: Another note from Fr. Purdy

    Dear Tertiaries,
     
     Pray for Bishop Fellay. He is hospitalized for some illness. It is NOT Coronavirus. The ordinations scheduled for today will not take place but will happen at some date in the future.
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