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Offline StonewallCatho

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« on: December 03, 2015, 03:23:27 PM »
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  • LISTEN UP FOLKS:

    The following comes directly from the mouth of a Resistance priest I know well:

    A diocesan priest, very recently, told him: "At a meeting of diocesan priests, last month, Bishop Athanasius Schneider told us that Bishop Fellay signed an agreement with Rome last July. This agreement will be made public and official this coming December 8th. It will be shown as a good fruit from the Jubilee of Mercy. This agreement was made possible because both Pope Francis and Bishop Fellay recognized that not all the documents of Vatican II have the same weight on the doctrinal level, and that there is therefore room for future discussion on problematic issues."

    This diocesan priest asked the Resistance priest not to mention his name, as this news was supposed to be kept secret until Dec. 8th.

    Therefore, in order to protect his identity, I am not mentioning the name of the Resistance priest he talked to, neither those of the country and diocese where the meeting took place, and neither its exact date.

    Nevertheless, I can tell you that both priests are trustworthy and serious.

    Now, it is possible that a last minute glitch (our prayers?) will scrap the July agreement before it is publicized on Dec. 8th. But Bishop Schneider really said these things at a diocesan priests meeting, and he was not making a supposition or spreading a rumor. He was speaking from first hand knowledge.

    Please, do not ask me for further information, as this is all I have.

    Let us pray for a glitch to come, like in June 2012. We do not want the death of the Society.

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    « Reply #1 on: December 03, 2015, 03:59:44 PM »
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  • I heard that statement from FR Paul Kramer back in late May or Early June
    this year when i was on Facebook.  He tried to tell people but they shut him
    out of the SSPX groups he was in and kicked him out and deleted all his info
    on the matter, i was shocked and i believed it to be total and true from him.


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    « Reply #2 on: December 03, 2015, 05:28:30 PM »
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  • I guess we'll know if this is true in FIVE days.  No need to dwell on it now.  On December 8th or, at the latest, when we wake up on the 9th, we'll know whether or not this is true.

    Offline PAT317

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    « Reply #3 on: December 03, 2015, 05:57:43 PM »
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  • Quote from: Patricius
    For those who do not know:

    December 8th is the date when seminarians and priests of the Society make or renew their engagements as members of the Society. So this is not only a very great Feast day, but also a very significant day for Society members.

    That this date was chosen for the official announcement of the deal is therefore very significant. It means that on Dec. 8th, 2015, these engagements will happen AS PART OF THE OFFICIAL CHURCH. They will have the meaning of not only being members of the Society, but also of the Conciliar Church, as now (since last July) the Society as a whole is also a part of it, even if all members may not yet be aware of it.

    God have mercy!


    And Dec. 8, 2015 will also be the 50th anniversary of the close of Vatican II.   :scratchchin:

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    « Reply #4 on: December 03, 2015, 05:59:33 PM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    I guess we'll know if this is true in FIVE days.  No need to dwell on it now.  On December 8th or, at the latest, when we wake up on the 9th, we'll know whether or not this is true.


    This is what I was thinking.  If this is true, all of the trad forums will be hopping on 12/9.
    If any one saith, that the ceremonies, vestments, and outward signs, which the Catholic Church makes use of in the celebration of masses, are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema. - Council of Trent


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #5 on: December 03, 2015, 07:39:15 PM »
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  • It wouldn't be unlike +Fellay to have signed something and not make it public for several months.  Remember when he sent his AFD to Rome on April Fifteenth, 2012, but didn't make it announced to everyone until a year later, and that was after exchanging letters with the "other three" bishops within a few days of 4-15-12, the content of which made no reference to the fact that the AFD had been sent to Rome.  

    So, if this is true, then who's going to own the SSPX real estate?  The local bishops?
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    Offline TKGS

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    « Reply #6 on: December 03, 2015, 08:31:37 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    So, if this is true, then who's going to own the SSPX real estate?  The local bishops?


    Title to property doesn't necessarily transfer to the diocese (depending upon the actual deal, if there is one).  Just as, for example, Notre Dame University isn't owned by the Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend, the SSPX would probably retain ownership of their properties.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 03, 2015, 08:55:38 PM »
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  • I'll wait for the official announcement.


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    « Reply #8 on: December 03, 2015, 09:14:48 PM »
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  •  :popcorn:

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    « Reply #9 on: December 03, 2015, 10:03:09 PM »
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    Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    December 8th is the Feast of the Immaculate Conception.
     :incense:


     :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

     :detective:

    How do you do it Holmes?
    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

    -St. John of Avila

    Offline Magna opera Domini

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    « Reply #10 on: December 03, 2015, 10:08:31 PM »
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  • Will establishment as a personal prelature give the Society bishops ordinary jurisdiction?


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    « Reply #11 on: December 04, 2015, 01:59:00 AM »
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    Will establishment as a personal prelature give the Society bishops ordinary jurisdiction?


    Interesting question. I believe it will. As others have said, we'll likely find out the details one way or the other in a matter of days.
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

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    « Reply #12 on: December 04, 2015, 07:26:49 AM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    AMDG
     :pray: :pray: :pray:


    I am just curious.  Are you praying that the rumor is false or that the rumor is true?  Serious question.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    « Reply #13 on: December 04, 2015, 08:52:59 AM »
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  • Quote from: tinyhall
    The SSPX produced rotten fruits, weak Priests, weak Bishops and weak people

    All this because all people on top of the hierarchy don't believe in the dogmas of the Catholic faith , that's why God allows these societys to destroy themselves and to to show to the whole world they are not Catholic Society
    So naturally Priests are also weak and follow non-Catholic doctrine.



    I actually agree with this, although you're a bit harsh.  If in fact one believes that non-Catholics can be saved, there's no serious issue with Vatican II.  In fact, I would have beaten +Fellay back into the arms of Rome.

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    « Reply #14 on: December 04, 2015, 09:42:26 AM »
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    The SSPX produced rotten fruits, weak Priests, weak Bishops and weak people


    This is nothing less than the height of stupidity. The SSPX's efforts have led to hundreds of very solid traditional priests, given excellent seminary formation to thousands - including some members of this forum - and directly supports close to a million faithful and several traditional Catholic families worldwide, not to mention the millions who have indirectly benefited from its efforts, such as Indult Catholics and others who now have access to the true Mass. Its fruits arguably exceed that of all other traditional groups combined. The schismatic-heretical, Catholic doctrine denying, BOD-NFP attacking, dogmatic Dimondite heretics and schismatics have led to practically zero priests or seminarians, have misled many well-meaning Catholics to a fruitless empty rigorism - with a spirit permeated by the very same diabolical bitter zeal you exemplify - and have caused some to stay home alone and practically be on their way to losing the Faith or leaving the Church altogether. The very tone of your remark is rotten.
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

     

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