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Wessex · « **Reply #60 on:** December 09, 2015, 06:41:20 AM »

Quote from: BJ5

Another rumor from an otherwise reliable and well-connected anonymous source bites the dust. Do we not have the resources to be Catholic without hanging on to what the SSPX or +Fellay does? Is it time to move on yet or is our gluttonous obsession with all things SSPX part of our existence feeding a hunger that cannot be otherwise satisfied? Is our existence, even our name, to be characterized forever by what we are NOT?

This is the condition/disease contracted by the SSPX family and it hard for some folk to be cured of it. The post-conciliar world has left us not knowing what to do with our residual Catholicism and we seek in vain some kind of structure and community that resembles the past however imperfectly in which to exercise it.

The SSPX was such a timely option for trads and it was kept alive because it constructed a conveniently fuzzy formula that appealed to those daring to challenge the Romans yet not wanting to lose that strange romantic feeling they had for this mecca of the west. I can understand fading French aristocrats jumping on such a bandwagon but less so the successors of Americans desperate to escape the old European order. What contradictions come to mind when contrasting the life and times of a system which divinely exercised the partnership of church and state with the terms and practices of the new republican idyll defining the USA! Anyway, these are more grounds for confusion.

Now, the soap opera we are witnessing is being kept alive (and I do not mean with infusions of ox blood) through regular cloak and dagger instances as drugs feeding the sick SSPX mentality. Secrecy and wild speculation seems to be the principal religion of the audience and a ritual has been developed keeping them on the edge of their pews. The crooks in black in Menzingen know how to play this game and their pathetic acolytes worldwide head the list of useful fools. In time this affair will become an amusing footnote as a recorded minor distraction that so engaged a dying remnant. But students of history will indeed note it for its negative characteristics rather than its positive ones.

BJ5 · « **Reply #61 on:** December 09, 2015, 07:25:18 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: BJ5
Another rumor from an otherwise reliable and well-connected anonymous source bites the dust. Do we not have the resources to be Catholic without hanging on to what the SSPX or +Fellay does? Is it time to move on yet or is our gluttonous obsession with all things SSPX part of our existence feeding a hunger that cannot be otherwise satisfied? Is our existence, even our name, to be characterized forever by what we are NOT?

Another brain bites the dust.

How is posting a single post "obsessing"? You do realize, of course, that this long thread has lots of *different* people each contributing 1, 5, 10 minutes of their time to it. 10 minutes does not constitute an obsession, much less a "gluttonous obsession".

I notice you have contributed to this thread as much as (half?) the participants. Physician, heal thyself. You're not "above it all" as much as you think you are.

And where the heck do you get the notion that we needed this thread to stay Catholic? Now you're just pulling stuff out of your ___. Well I'm here to tell you your sanctimonious sounding accusations have no basis in reality whatsoever.

As for the name "Resistance", we have to use language to convey meaning. What do you propose, "Christian" and be thought protestant? Or go with "Catholic" and be considered Novus Ordo? If we stick with "Traditional Catholic" that could mean anything, from Indult to sedevacantist. Sometimes it's handy to have a name that sizes up a position accurately.

I think Resistance (to Modernism) works well. And you bet we're "against" Modernism as long as the heresy holds traction. Yes, it sounds contrarian, but we really ARE marching contrary to the whole broad path to the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr represented by the Conciliar Church and it's bosom buddy, the Modern World.

My point was that if the SSPX is not now what it was founded as, why perpetuate our (loose) organization in terms of what it is not? We resist the SSPX, we are the anti-SSPX, we are what they used to be, etc.

Will the resistance ever be able to distinguish itself without using the term SSPX, especially as the chasm between the SSPX and the Resistance grows wider?

I think my brain is still fairly in tact, BTW, although a bit old perhaps.

JPM · « **Reply #62 on:** December 09, 2015, 07:29:13 AM »

Quote from: Patricius

But you also have to remember that Bishop Schneider said that the deal has been signed last July.

One thing I didn't mentioned last Thursday was that the bishop also said to the priests that the visitations of the SSPX seminaries by himself, cardinal Brandmüller, and others, were concluded positively, and that the official reports given to the Pope by these visitors were all very laudatory.

Bishop Schneider visited the seminary in February. A month after the supposed signing, in August, he gave an interview recommending that the SSPX should be accepted "as they are."

Perhaps what we have are all truthful pieces that just don't go to the same puzzle.

HiddenServant · « **Reply #63 on:** December 12, 2015, 12:50:42 PM »

Even though some of the Catholic heirarchy accept them ,
it does seem good enough to those against tradition. In the
light of the Apostasy we really need a rosary crusade !

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #64 on:** December 12, 2015, 06:47:09 PM »

Rorate Caeli has another advertisement for the SSPX seminary today. Announcement coming soon?

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2015/12/updatevideo-on-new-traditional-seminary.html

Matthew · « **Reply #65 on:** December 12, 2015, 07:49:50 PM »

I watched the video, and was inspired to post this:

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Flashback-history-repeats-itself

Miseremini · « **Reply #66 on:** December 12, 2015, 08:44:53 PM »

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

Rorate Caeli has another advertisement for the SSPX seminary today. Announcement coming soon?

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2015/12/updatevideo-on-new-traditional-seminary.html

Watching the video I was disappointed to sse at the 1:41 mark, on the wall in the classroom the bottom half of the cross with the resurrected Christ instead of the crucifix. I've see this cross in other videos of the seminary.

StonewallCatho · « **Reply #67 on:** December 13, 2015, 12:44:43 AM »

I agree with your flashback post, Matthew.

Also: The latest video of the new seminary is totally "branded". Nothing there about the fight against VII and its reforms. Just a brief mention of the Archbishop, and it was only to reduce his message to the need for good priests. It totally evacuates the most important part of his life. There is no better way to destroy somebody's work, than to reduce it to an ordinary aspect. What I mean is that it is normal for the Church to wish to have good priests who can say Mass and the breviary piously, and who love to pray in a darkened chapel before to go to bed. But it is extraordinary that a bishop would be excommunicated for combatting errors that spread to the top of the Church, and for making priests who would continue his fight. This new video, like so many other things since the foundation of GREC in 1997, is a betrayal. It is putting the Archbishop through a second death: That of his legacy.

In other words: This whole video could have been done by any Ecclesia Dei congregation.

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #68 on:** December 13, 2015, 06:47:47 AM »

In the video they advertise themselves as the "solution to the crisis" (and R.C. obviously agrees) while they both reject + Faire's consecration. Such rejection can only mean that they were "IN" back when they were approved in Argentina as Rorate Caeli's Argentinian canon (?) lawyer reported when they broke the news.

McCork · « **Reply #69 on:** December 13, 2015, 07:12:45 AM »

Quote from: BJ5

My point was that if the SSPX is not now what it was founded as, why perpetuate our (loose) organization in terms of what it is not? We resist the SSPX, we are the anti-SSPX, we are what they used to be, etc.

Will the resistance ever be able to distinguish itself without using the term SSPX, especially as the chasm between the SSPX and the Resistance grows wider?

I think my brain is still fairly in tact, BTW, although a bit old perhaps.

I'm glad someone said this. It's like the Protestants still calling themselves that, in reference to a "protest" against something else. Better to go the way Taiwan did by officially calling itself "the Republic of China" in opposition to China, having become "the People's Republic of China" when it went communist.

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #70 on:** December 13, 2015, 10:04:47 PM »

I just saw an article on Secretum Meum Mihi about the Brazilian Fr. Cicero Romao Batista, who died excommunicated in 1934 and was just “reinstated” by Francis for the “Year of Mercy”.

Do not be surprised if the announcement of the “reintegration” of the SSPX comes with the lifting of the “excommunication” of ABL also as an act of “mercy”. Martin Luther himself is expected to be “reinstated” before 2017. What an insult to ABL that would be! After reading the article, I’m convinced that it will have to be done to deceive many in the SSPX. Maybe that was a motivation (trap) for the SSPX leadership. If so, they would place their beloved founder in the same category with heretics.

http://secretummeummihi.blogspot.com/

AJNC · « **Reply #71 on:** December 14, 2015, 12:52:11 AM »

Quote from: Wessex

I would pay good money to see the SSPX finally lose its undeserved traditional label. It would have stayed within the mainstream had it not been expelled in the same way Bp. Williamson was expelled from the Society. Belonging to degenerate Rome in spite of her occupation by devils and false gods seems to be the prize of most of its members and no doubt an exciting moment for its current followers.

Going the same way as Opus Dei seems to be the final outcome of its rather painfully confusing history. No doubt many got sucked into a seemingly half-hearted attempt to distance itself from the new religion but duplicity was always a feature of its operation. I have witnessed priests slowly changing their tune as the political climate changed and numerous laymen vote with their feet out of the confusion. I am wondering what will fill the vacuum on these sites when the Society officially receives its kiss of death. Claiming to be the rightful heir to the throne was going to be rather futile when the cause was arriving at its logical conclusion.

It seems that in the "Asia District" the SSPX is using the Ordo published by the FSSP. Also, this district, I'm told, is seeking to meet with local Modernist bishops with a view to be allowed to use Novus Ordo Church premises to celebrate the TLM.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #72 on:** December 14, 2015, 02:43:14 AM »

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

In the video they advertise themselves as the "solution to the crisis" (and R.C. obviously agrees) while they both reject +Faure's consecration. Such rejection can only mean that they were "IN" back when they were approved in Argentina as Rorate Caeli's Argentinian canon (?) lawyer reported when they broke the news.

I can't wait to see what they'll all have to say when +Williamson and +Faure join forces to consecrate two MORE new bishops! :reporter:

I really enjoy +Faure's solid outlook on the crisis in the Church. He has a way of getting right to the crux of the matter. He's cheerful and confident, and that's what the Resistance needs.

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BJ5 · « **Reply #73 on:** December 14, 2015, 09:20:23 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

In the video they advertise themselves as the "solution to the crisis" (and R.C. obviously agrees) while they both reject +Faure's consecration. Such rejection can only mean that they were "IN" back when they were approved in Argentina as Rorate Caeli's Argentinian canon (?) lawyer reported when they broke the news.

I can't wait to see what they'll all have to say when +Williamson and +Faure join forces to consecrate two MORE new bishops! :reporter:

I really enjoy +Faure's solid outlook on the crisis in the Church. He has a way of getting right to the crux of the matter. He's cheerful and confident, and that's what the Resistance needs.

.

Maybe +Faure will finally take on the mantle that +Williamson wants no part of.

HiddenServant · « **Reply #74 on:** December 16, 2015, 04:31:48 PM »

True Christians and Unity will solve the Crisis !