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Offline covet truth

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« Reply #45 on: December 07, 2015, 01:15:44 PM »
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    I would set my alarm for early tomorrow morning to hear the first news out of the Vatican but I am betting this is just another Pfeiffer/Hewko inspired bust so I'll stick with my beauty sleep.


    Just recall the words of Fr. Wegner back on Oct. 31 when he said, "Don't be surprised to wake up one morning and Pope Francis has accepted us!"  We'll see.


    Fr. Wegner spends too much time on the Boston, KY website.


    Father Wegner doesn't have to go to Boston, KY for information when he has a direct line to Menzingen.


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    « Reply #46 on: December 07, 2015, 03:51:40 PM »
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    I would set my alarm for early tomorrow morning to hear the first news out of the Vatican but I am betting this is just another Pfeiffer/Hewko inspired bust so I'll stick with my beauty sleep.


    Please note that the Resistance priest at the origin of this thread has nothing to do with OLMC in Kentucky. When I started the thread, I have not mentioned anything that could suggest this priest was from North America or any other English Speaking country. Although I speak three languages, I have reported the facts here, in English, because CathInfo is a good and widely frequented forum, as was exemplified by the debunking of the con artist and fraud Ambrose William Moran. So I wanted to give CathInfo this new "scoop".

    I really have to protect the identity of the Resistance priest, because he has promised the diocesan priest not to reveal his name. And knowing who is the Resistance priest, and where he resides in the world, would allow the diocesan bishop to know the source of the leak from the November priest meeting, especially since the priest in question is an "Indult" priest. This priest could then be in big trouble.

    But, as I said before, I know these two priests very well, and I can assure you that what I presented last Thursday are true facts. Bishop Schneider said these things as being true facts. But I cannot, of course, guarantee that what he said will happen. Maybe bishop Schneider has been misled, or has been trying to mislead us (he had to know a leak was bound to happen...). I cannot say. Or something happenned between July and now which the bishop is not aware of. Once again, I cannot say.

    I just thought I would reveal this to the cathInfo people, and ask for prayers for the Society. That is all there is to it.

    God bless.


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    « Reply #47 on: December 07, 2015, 04:30:49 PM »
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  • No problem, Patricius.  Tomorrow morning, this rumor will be resolved.

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    « Reply #48 on: December 07, 2015, 06:04:05 PM »
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    No problem, Patricius.  Tomorrow morning, this rumor will be resolved.


    I hope it happens. It will just be confirmation that anybody can fall and the SSPX is NOT the Church. But then again I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't go through. I can imagine a sizeable number of priests threatening bishop Fellay with schism. I am not certain the king will risk his empire.
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    « Reply #49 on: December 07, 2015, 06:17:56 PM »
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  • I still don't think anything's going to be official until Francis comes out with his final report on the Synod.  
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    « Reply #50 on: December 07, 2015, 06:52:45 PM »
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  • Patricius, I appreciate that you shared the information with us.  I believe what you reported to us regardless of how it works out.  I never would have imagined that I would be living through, all over again, what transpired after Vatican II.  In a way I hope that something definitive is announced soon so that all of the undecided or sceptical people will no longer be left wondering which way to go.  They will be face to face with the facts and will have to either compromise or leave and that includes the clergy as well.  

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    « Reply #51 on: December 08, 2015, 04:36:16 AM »
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  • Thanks, AJNC. God bless you. Also, don't mean to be a party spoiler, but I genuinely have no more inside information on this matter than has been released publicly. :) Dear TKGS, I just sent you a PM.

    Just did a brief check anyway, but there doesn't seem to be anything up on the SSPX website, on DICI, Rorate, Vatican Insider etc regarding this yet. I personally doubt that anything formal will be announced today. Let's wait and see.
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

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    « Reply #52 on: December 08, 2015, 04:49:39 AM »
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    Thanks, AJNC. God bless you. Also, don't mean to be a party spoiler, but I genuinely have no more inside information on this matter than has been released publicly. :) Dear TKGS, I just sent you a PM.

    Just did a brief check anyway, but there doesn't seem to be anything up on the SSPX website, on DICI, Rorate, Vatican Insider etc regarding this yet. I personally doubt that anything formal will be announced today. Let's wait and see.


    I have been looking too. I haven't seen anything on Zenit, Catholic News Agency, or Catholic World New. Could it be that this story about a "deal" was a lie?


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    « Reply #53 on: December 08, 2015, 07:28:01 AM »
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  • Another rumor from an otherwise reliable and well-connected anonymous source bites the dust. Do we not have the resources to be Catholic without hanging on to what the SSPX or +Fellay does? Is it time to move on yet or is our gluttonous obsession with all things SSPX part of our existence feeding a hunger that cannot be otherwise satisfied? Is our existence, even our name, to be characterized forever by what we are NOT?

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    « Reply #54 on: December 08, 2015, 05:06:45 PM »
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  • Maybe some people think I should say "I am sorry, it was only a rumor after all"?

    I am not sorry. I have only reported a conversation between two serious priests about what Bishop Schneider actually said in November at a priest meeting. I asked for prayers to have the deal scrapped.

    Maybe people did pray, and the deal was scrapped. Then I thank you all and the BVM.

    But you also have to remember that Bishop Schneider said that the deal has been signed last July.

    One thing I didn't mentioned last Thursday was that the bishop also said to the priests that the visitations of the SSPX seminaries by himself, cardinal Brandmüller, and others, were concluded positively, and that the official reports given to the Pope by these visitors were all very laudatory.

    The only thing that didn't happen was the official announcement that was supposed to happen today. It doesn't mean the July deal has been scrapped. Maybe bishop Fellay considers the annoucement would have been too soon, and he wants to better prepare SSPX members. Who knows?

    One day we will know.

    God bless you all.

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    « Reply #55 on: December 08, 2015, 05:33:45 PM »
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  • Stone the false prophet!
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    « Reply #56 on: December 08, 2015, 05:36:44 PM »
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    Stone the false prophet!
     :heretic: :roll-laugh1:


     :cheers:

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    « Reply #57 on: December 08, 2015, 10:28:40 PM »
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  • Well, we weren't given an announcement today, but we had the best barn-burning anti-Conciliar Church, anti-Vatican II sermon, from one of those young priests many are sure are so ill-formed, that I have heard in a long, long time. And he got very specific and detailed. It could have come from the mouth of Archbishop Lefebvre himself. I wanted to stand up and cheer. But I did get tears in my eyes.

    Thank you Oh Immaculata!   :pray:

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    « Reply #58 on: December 08, 2015, 11:07:58 PM »
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    Well, we weren't given an announcement today, but we had the best barn-burning anti-Conciliar Church, anti-Vatican II sermon, from one of those young priests many are sure are so ill-formed, that I have heard in a long, long time. And he got very specific and detailed. It could have come from the mouth of Archbishop Lefebvre himself. I wanted to stand up and cheer. But I did get tears in my eyes.

    Thank you Oh Immaculata!   :pray:


    Good for him.

    I have to point out that this isn't InThisSign or anything else associated with Fr. Pfeiffer and his "red light the SSPX and any other priest that doesn't submit to me" position. I would go further and say that MOST on CathInfo tend to agree that such a red-light position is borderline schismatic (if not outright schismatic) and not a Catholic stance.

    It's not about the individual priests. I'm sure many of them are nice, holy, sincere, etc. Just like many priests in 1969. But when you approach a crossroads, when a crisis approaches, everyone has to make a choice. Sometimes an entire organization falls. Such is the case with the SSPX today. It's the organization I (and the entire Resistance) opposes. Not the individual priests and laity, except insofar as they push the pro-Vatican 2 agenda.

    This priest could be great in many ways. Too bad his anti-Vatican 2 stance goes against the organization he's currently a member of and owes obedience to.

    Eventually he will have to make a choice. Become an independent/Resistance priest, or compromise and become Indult with the rest of the SSPX.
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    « Reply #59 on: December 08, 2015, 11:32:27 PM »
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    Another rumor from an otherwise reliable and well-connected anonymous source bites the dust. Do we not have the resources to be Catholic without hanging on to what the SSPX or +Fellay does? Is it time to move on yet or is our gluttonous obsession with all things SSPX part of our existence feeding a hunger that cannot be otherwise satisfied? Is our existence, even our name, to be characterized forever by what we are NOT?


    Another brain bites the dust.

    How is posting a single post "obsessing"? You do realize, of course, that this long thread has lots of *different* people each contributing 1, 5, 10 minutes of their time to it. 10 minutes does not constitute an obsession, much less a "gluttonous obsession".

    I notice you have contributed to this thread as much as (half?) the participants. Physician, heal thyself. You're not "above it all" as much as you think you are.

    And where the heck do you get the notion that we needed this thread to stay Catholic? Now you're just pulling stuff out of your ___. Well I'm here to tell you your sanctimonious sounding accusations have no basis in reality whatsoever.

    As for the name "Resistance", we have to use language to convey meaning. What do you propose, "Christian" and be thought protestant? Or go with "Catholic" and be considered Novus Ordo?  If we stick with "Traditional Catholic" that could mean anything, from Indult to sedevacantist. Sometimes it's handy to have a name that sizes up a position accurately.

    I think Resistance (to Modernism) works well. And you bet we're "against" Modernism as long as the heresy holds traction. Yes, it sounds contrarian, but we really ARE marching contrary to the whole broad path to the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr represented by the Conciliar Church and it's bosom buddy, the Modern World.
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