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BJ5 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 04, 2015, 09:58:39 AM »

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The SSPX produced rotten fruits, weak Priests, weak Bishops and weak people

This is nothing less than the height of stupidity. The SSPX's efforts have led to hundreds of very solid traditional priests, given excellent seminary formation to thousands - including some members of this forum - and directly supports close to a million faithful and several traditional Catholic families worldwide, not to mention the millions who have indirectly benefited from its efforts, such as Indult Catholics and others who now have access to the true Mass. Its fruits arguably exceed that of all other traditional groups combined. The schismatic-heretical, Catholic doctrine denying, BOD-NFP attacking, dogmatic Dimondite heretics and schismatics have led to practically zero priests or seminarians, have misled many well-meaning Catholics to a fruitless empty rigorism - with a spirit permeated by the very same diabolical bitter zeal you exemplify - and have caused some to stay home alone and practically be on their way to losing the Faith or leaving the Church altogether. The very tone of your remark is rotten.

If it weren't for the SSPX back in the day, my soul and the souls of my family would be lost - no doubt about it. Because of the Society, at least I have a fighting chance.

Mea Culpa · « **Reply #16 on:** December 04, 2015, 10:05:59 AM »

This really shouldn't be a surprise at all......

+ Fellay had made his position very clear (especially) in 2012........after getting rid of all the fighters for the faith. Rome wanted to make sure they got the 'whole kit and caboodle' of the NSSPX before letting them in.
Now, he and those following him can go have their fill :ready-to-eat: ......and all we can do is pray for their conversion.

"O generation of vipers, how can you speak good things, whereas you are evil? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. A good man out of a good treasure bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of an evil treasure bringeth forth evil things."

"He that is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth."

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #17 on:** December 04, 2015, 10:34:34 AM »

I am endlessly thankful for what the SSPX has done for me and my family. It taught me the Faith, how important it was to hold on and fight, and not to compromise. They taught me about the trap of V2, and the conciliar church that is no longer Catholic, and the poison of the NO Mass. Now it looks like we'll be fighting on without them as they sink into the rotten quagmire of Rome en masse.

*attn priests: I've read that you sink more slowly if you are very, very still...

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #18 on:** December 04, 2015, 11:10:15 AM »

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The SSPX produced rotten fruits, weak Priests, weak Bishops and weak people

This is nothing less than the height of stupidity. The SSPX's efforts have led to hundreds of very solid traditional priests, given excellent seminary formation to thousands - including some members of this forum - and directly supports close to a million faithful and several traditional Catholic families worldwide, not to mention the millions who have indirectly benefited from its efforts, such as Indult Catholics and others who now have access to the true Mass. Its fruits arguably exceed that of all other traditional groups combined. The schismatic-heretical, Catholic doctrine denying, BOD-NFP attacking, dogmatic Dimondite heretics and schismatics have led to practically zero priests or seminarians, have misled many well-meaning Catholics to a fruitless empty rigorism - with a spirit permeated by the very same diabolical bitter zeal you exemplify - and have caused some to stay home alone and practically be on their way to losing the Faith or leaving the Church altogether. The very tone of your remark is rotten.

Magna opera Domini · « **Reply #19 on:** December 04, 2015, 11:13:20 AM »

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The SSPX produced rotten fruits, weak Priests, weak Bishops and weak people

This is nothing less than the height of stupidity. The SSPX's efforts have led to hundreds of very solid traditional priests, given excellent seminary formation to thousands - including some members of this forum - and directly supports close to a million faithful and several traditional Catholic families worldwide, not to mention the millions who have indirectly benefited from its efforts, such as Indult Catholics and others who now have access to the true Mass. Its fruits arguably exceed that of all other traditional groups combined. The schismatic-heretical, Catholic doctrine denying, BOD-NFP attacking, dogmatic Dimondite heretics and schismatics have led to practically zero priests or seminarians, have misled many well-meaning Catholics to a fruitless empty rigorism - with a spirit permeated by the very same diabolical bitter zeal you exemplify - and have caused some to stay home alone and practically be on their way to losing the Faith or leaving the Church altogether. The very tone of your remark is rotten.

I, too, am grateful to the Society for all it has done for me. But I now suspect the SSPX has been to the spiritual life what Medjugorje has been to Fatima. I suspect it has brought forth visible fruits while simultaneously serving to waylay souls from a more urgent truth in the battle for the Church and souls. I am, of course, referring to the likelihood that all of the conciliar church is a false church populated by false, heretical ecclesiastics with no jurisdiction and no valid sacraments. What seems to have been a success blessed by God could in fact be just another tactic of the devil to deliver a great number of souls into that false church.

Whether the deal is done or not, the Society has become 99.9% mute in attacking the heresies of the pope of the conciliar church

“Empty rigorism”, “bitter zeal” – who else have I heard using those terms lately?

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #20 on:** December 04, 2015, 11:34:22 AM »

The SSPX has been a blessing from God. It is the reason why the Latin Mass is growing in many dioceses. I thank the SSPX for the Sacraments, excellent sermons and Catholic education. I loved the library and bookstore full of awesome books. The only problem was the laity was two faced and stuck up at our local chapel.

Benzel · « **Reply #21 on:** December 04, 2015, 11:52:49 AM »

Nishant says:

"The SSPX... directly supports close to a million faithful"

1,000,000? Maybe 10,000. Can you prove the million?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #22 on:** December 04, 2015, 12:12:16 PM »

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schismatic-heretical, Catholic doctrine denying, BOD-NFP attacking, dogmatic Dimondite heretics and schismatics

You know where you can put this, Nishant.

BoD and NFP have been the ruination of Catholic faith and morals respectively in these times.

Pilar · « **Reply #23 on:** December 04, 2015, 04:30:41 PM »

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The SSPX produced rotten fruits, weak Priests, weak Bishops and weak people

This is nothing less than the height of stupidity. The SSPX's efforts have led to hundreds of very solid traditional priests, given excellent seminary formation to thousands - including some members of this forum - and directly supports close to a million faithful and several traditional Catholic families worldwide, not to mention the millions who have indirectly benefited from its efforts, such as Indult Catholics and others who now have access to the true Mass. Its fruits arguably exceed that of all other traditional groups combined. The schismatic-heretical, Catholic doctrine denying, BOD-NFP attacking, dogmatic Dimondite heretics and schismatics have led to practically zero priests or seminarians, have misled many well-meaning Catholics to a fruitless empty rigorism - with a spirit permeated by the very same diabolical bitter zeal you exemplify - and have caused some to stay home alone and practically be on their way to losing the Faith or leaving the Church altogether. The very tone of your remark is rotten.

If it weren't for the SSPX back in the day, my soul and the souls of my family would be lost - no doubt about it. Because of the Society, at least I have a fighting chance.

BJ5, you are absolutely right and no one can argue with the fact that God chose Archbishop Lefebvre and his Society to maintain the Catholic Mass and priesthood. For decades the SSPX has successfully done this alone save for a few friendly independent priests who worked with the Society or at least did not work against tradition.

I have to assume that those few nitwits here who have no gratitude for the Society either do not possess the Faith or have not been around long enough to know the history of the Church since Vatican II, and therefore should not be posting and showing off their ignorance.

Whatever happens in the future, a great debt is owed to the Archbishop and to all those good priests who have sacrificed their comfort, health, sanity and lives for the salvation of souls. God bless them all and give to them strong Faith and final perseverance.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #24 on:** December 04, 2015, 06:06:59 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: Nishant
schismatic-heretical, Catholic doctrine denying, BOD-NFP attacking, dogmatic Dimondite heretics and schismatics

You know where you can put this, Nishant.

BoD and NFP have been the ruination of Catholic faith and morals respectively in these times.

It seems to me that so-called biological evolution ought to fit in there somewhere.

Hear this new Judith Sharpe interview (duration 1:11:30) with Hugh Owen of the Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation.

Abortion would be socially unthinkable today, were it not for widespread belief in the nonsense of evolution, regardless of BoD. But the development NFP can be seen as a CONSEQUENCE of this same evolutionary false belief.

A Catholic girl today can be just as likely to have an abortion as her atheist classmates not because of BoD or NFP but because of evolutionary mythology being taught in place of the truth.

The foundation of Marxism and materialism is evolutioinsm not communism. All of the founding fathers of communism -- Lenin - Stalin - Trotsky -- lost their faith because of evolutionism. It was the principle error of Russia that spread through the world.

Lenin was a baptized orthodox Christian who lost his faith because of evolution, and authorized the murder of millions of his countrymen because they obstructed the progress of evolutionary theory. Stalin was educated in a monastic seminary but read Darwin and spread his lies to his fellow seminarians, all of whom then left the Church.

If the people could be made to accept evolution they would be able to accept everything else. Hitler made sure all of his leaders were steeped in evolutionary thought. None of these people were led astray by BoD or NFP.

Feminism is a direct consequence of evolutionary thinking which was leading to unfaith in Scripture and so on.

BoD and NFP can be seen as an also-ran or consequence of the worldwide loss of faith that is ignited with the mythology of evolution which replaced Catholic theology.

Whatever dark cloud of sinister malediction hangs over the SSPX can be largely disbursed if the true doctrine of creation would be openly taught in all the SSPX seminaries, schools and parishes. The boogeyman isn't BoD or NFP. Those will take care of themselves when the real enemy is squarely dealt with.

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Wessex · « **Reply #25 on:** December 04, 2015, 06:25:44 PM »

I would pay good money to see the SSPX finally lose its undeserved traditional label. It would have stayed within the mainstream had it not been expelled in the same way Bp. Williamson was expelled from the Society. Belonging to degenerate Rome in spite of her occupation by devils and false gods seems to be the prize of most of its members and no doubt an exciting moment for its current followers.

Going the same way as Opus Dei seems to be the final outcome of its rather painfully confusing history. No doubt many got sucked into a seemingly half-hearted attempt to distance itself from the new religion but duplicity was always a feature of its operation. I have witnessed priests slowly changing their tune as the political climate changed and numerous laymen vote with their feet out of the confusion. I am wondering what will fill the vacuum on these sites when the Society officially receives its kiss of death. Claiming to be the rightful heir to the throne was going to be rather futile when the cause was arriving at its logical conclusion.

Mark 79 · « **Reply #26 on:** December 04, 2015, 06:30:17 PM »

Will the announcement be made from the h0Ɩ0cαųst Museum?

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #27 on:** December 04, 2015, 06:39:00 PM »

Woops. I used the wrong word.

The foundation of Marxism and materialism is evolutioinsm, not communism. All of the founding fathers of communism -- Lenin - Stalin - Trotsky -- lost their faith because of evolutionism. It was the principal error of Russia (as heard in Fatima) that spread through the world.

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Matthew · « **Reply #28 on:** December 04, 2015, 07:20:06 PM »

ENOUGH about BoD and Feenyism outside the appointed subforum.

I don't want that time-wastery (in the eyes of most members here) to derail this important thread.

Stubborn · « **Reply #29 on:** December 07, 2015, 05:04:38 AM »

Here is the new sign just installed outside the new chapel they just bought, note it does not say "Traditional Latin Mass" - I think this is by design. The first Mass in this chapel is tomorrow, Dec. 8th, for The Immaculate Conception.

About 15 miles away is the chapel they are selling, which they've been in for the last +40 years, it was their first seminary in the USA and it is dilapidated.

Here are some pictures of the building.