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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Non Una cuм and the Resistance
« Reply #60 on: April 21, 2018, 06:12:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on April 21, 2018, 06:11:44 PM
    Oh noes!  The down thumbs !     :laugh2:

    I've had a number of these clowns running around downthumbing every post of mine for a while now.
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    Offline 2Vermont

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    Re: Non Una cuм and the Resistance
    « Reply #61 on: April 21, 2018, 06:14:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Samuel on April 21, 2018, 06:12:57 PM
    Are you going to spread your stupid comments all over this thread too now?

    Matthew, as long as fools like Ladislaus are allowed to spread their trash all over your forum I see no reason for me to remain. It makes discussions tiresome and profitless, and it causes your forum to become like all the other sedevacantist forums.
    Oh poor Samuel.  
    And  :laugh1: at this forum being like other sedevacantist forums. 
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Non Una cuм and the Resistance
    « Reply #62 on: April 21, 2018, 06:29:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Samuel on April 21, 2018, 06:12:57 PM
    Are you going to spread your stupid comments all over this thread too now?

    Matthew, as long as fools like Ladislaus are allowed to spread their trash all over your forum I see no reason for me to remain. It makes discussions tiresome and profitless, and it causes your forum to become like all the other sedevacantist forums.

    Oh, sure, the teaching of nearly all theologians (and Pius XII) that heresy excludes from membership in the Church is now "stupid comments".

    Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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    Offline TKGS

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    Re: Non Una cuм and the Resistance
    « Reply #63 on: April 21, 2018, 07:21:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Samuel on April 21, 2018, 05:51:25 PM
    Billot's argument was based on "Catholics", not on "good Catholics".
    I thought "Catholics" were the people who hold the Catholic faith.  I thought "good Catholics" were only those Catholics who hold that Catholic Faith who are in a state of grace while "bad Catholics" were those who hold the Catholic Faith but fell into mortal sin.
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    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: Non Una cuм and the Resistance
    « Reply #64 on: April 21, 2018, 07:48:34 PM »
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    • I wish I could do a "fill in the blank" poll of sedes and ask the following questions:
    1.  Was John XXIII a pope?  If not, was he ever pope?  If yes, when did he lose his papacy?  Why did he lose his papacy?
    2.  Was Paul VI...
    3.  Was JPI...
    4.  Was JPII...
    5.  Was Benedict...
    6.  Was Francis...

    If I polled 1,000 sedes, I'd get 1,000 different answers.
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    Offline TKGS

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    Re: Non Una cuм and the Resistance
    « Reply #65 on: April 21, 2018, 07:53:44 PM »
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    • No.  You wouldn't get 1,000 different answers.  You may get 3 sets of answers at most.  Sedevacantists are unanimous on #3 through #6.  There are differences of opinion on #1 and #2.  That is it.
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    Offline Matthew

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    Re: Non Una cuм and the Resistance
    « Reply #66 on: April 21, 2018, 08:20:01 PM »
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    • Really? John Paul I even? The fact that he was killed off suggests he was not a villain...
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    Offline TKGS

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    Re: Non Una cuм and the Resistance
    « Reply #67 on: April 21, 2018, 08:56:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on April 21, 2018, 08:20:01 PM
    Really? John Paul I even? The fact that he was killed off suggests he was not a villain...
    Killed?  I actually think that his brother's explanation that he ran out of his medications (he was always a sickly individual since childhood) and didn't go through the hassle of getting them renewed in all the excitement as to why he died so soon is likely the truth. 
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    Offline Centroamerica

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    Re: Non Una cuм and the Resistance
    « Reply #68 on: April 21, 2018, 09:04:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 21, 2018, 03:50:15 PM
    There are currently 1.3 BILLION Catholics in the Church.

    I'm guessing there are approximately 40,000 sedevacantists on the planet +/- (and that might be a generous number).

    That's 32,500 Catholics who accept Francis as Pope for every sedevacantist who denies it.

    That comes to 0.0000307%

    Pretend that's 32,500 grains of sugar vs 1 grain of sugar.

    That would barely register as a trace, or perhaps not at all.

    No, there is pretty much unanimity.
    But there isn't unanimity. Just because you come up with some number like 3.07×10−5 doesn't mean a hill of beans. The majority doesn't make the truth. It is the truth that should make the majority.
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    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

    Offline Centroamerica

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    Re: Non Una cuм and the Resistance
    « Reply #69 on: April 21, 2018, 09:14:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 21, 2018, 03:55:08 PM
    I see you are sinking into sedevacantism.

    I will pray for you.

    Please pray for me.

    I'm not sinking into sede vacantism. I admit that it is a possibility and a valid Catholic opinion. There is at least one Doctor of the Church and many theologians and/or saints who agreed that a manifest, formal heretic would lose office and cease to be pope. It is a possibility. I have no authority to declare it or impose it on anyone. But I do acknowledge it as a true Catholic position.

    It would be irrational to hold any other position. Until the Church speaks, you can't impose on other Catholics that Bergoglio is a pope or condemn them for doubting that (just like you couldn't impose on God-fearing Catholics that the Novus Ordo gives 'good fruit').
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    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

    Offline Centroamerica

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    Re: Non Una cuм and the Resistance
    « Reply #70 on: April 21, 2018, 09:24:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 21, 2018, 06:06:15 PM
    I don't.  I think that Siri still held claim to the Holy See.
    I could see both hypotheses as probable. The Siri argument has more weight to it than at first glimpse. But it seems rational that Paul IV was validly elected pope. Not sure. He's not pope now. That's all I know.
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    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

    Offline Clemens Maria

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    Re: Non Una cuм and the Resistance
    « Reply #71 on: April 21, 2018, 10:46:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 21, 2018, 04:54:56 PM
    Those same numbers, with only a fractional uptick, accept the teachings of Vatican II.
    Right, so basically what he’s saying is that there is unanimity among Novus Ordo High-High-Anglicans that Frank is their pope and that they would rather have a fake pope than be Catholic.  They would rather be in communion with heretics than admit that sedes were right.
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    Re: Non Una cuм and the Resistance
    « Reply #72 on: April 21, 2018, 10:57:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 21, 2018, 05:43:10 PM

    I leave you to your ruminations.

    Semper Idem,
    Sean Johnson
    All bow to the Grand Poobah Sean!
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    Re: Non Una cuм and the Resistance
    « Reply #73 on: April 21, 2018, 11:20:02 PM »
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    Re: Non Una cuм and the Resistance
    « Reply #74 on: April 22, 2018, 01:02:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: TKGS on April 21, 2018, 08:56:15 PM
    Killed?  I actually think that his brother's explanation that he ran out of his medications (he was always a sickly individual since childhood) and didn't go through the hassle of getting them renewed in all the excitement as to why he died so soon is likely the truth.
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    Hmmmm....    :furtive:
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