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Re: No Resistance available, what should I do?
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2021, 09:22:17 AM »
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  • Well I spoke with the priest yesterday. Basically to partake of communion there, I'd have to attend sede chapels exclusively. He referred me to Father Cekada's articles on not attending any Mass where the Pope's name is mentioned in the canon. I was pretty disappointed to hear this. But he is a very kind elderly man. He spoke with me for 2 hours and we really hit it off. From what I gather, he's totally convinced that sedevacantism is an absolute fact and he wants to have meetings with me to try to prove it to me. I am at a crossroads. I love it there and I really hit it off with this priest but the thing is, I'm not convinced of the sede position anymore than the R&R position. Please, please pray for me everyone, that the Holy Ghost will show me the truth and give me confidence in it.

    :pray: 

    See? It's another dogma of the Catholic Faith to some sedevacantists. They want exclusive access to your pocketbook, as well as "you" being solidly in their column, as they compete with other chapels for parishioners. It's about competition and greed.

    If the priest himself isn't outright addicted to luxury, he at least wants that money to make HIS chapel more glorious, and wants more people.

    I'm telling you, a good priest would provide a service and let Trad Catholics attend according to their needs and conscience. That's what Supplied Jurisdiction is all about -- meeting the necessity of the people. That is what the Traditional Movement has been about, going back to 1970. Even priests who, today, would probably give in to some of the "McDonalds vs Burger King" competitive spirit, didn't dare do so "back in the day" (1980s, 90s) because that just wasn't done, or at least it wasn't a widespread practice yet. Maybe it's because the Traditional Movement was new, the disobedience was still a new thing, it didn't fit like a glove yet, so priests felt the need to be on their best behavior, to make the best possible case for themselves before God.

    But again: Good priests do NOT try to bind the consciences of others with ANYTHING other than Catholic dogmas. Unknowns such as the exact nature of the Crisis in the Church, or the Pope question, are NOT new dogmas. Priests can and should advise you, they can give their opinions -- but they must leave you to follow your conscience on such a matter of prudence which does not have the certainty of Faith.

    Another point: note that Fr. Cekada started a cult. This "good priest" is quoting Fr. C like he's some sort of guru. What was he, a prophet of some kind? Some random priest writes a book, and now other priests refer back to him like he's the Magisterium of the Church? There is definitely much sickness in the Sedevacantist world, even if we acknowledge (of course) that not every Sede is a bad person.
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    Re: No Resistance available, what should I do?
    « Reply #16 on: October 19, 2021, 09:53:41 AM »
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  • Well I spoke with the priest yesterday. Basically to partake of communion there, I'd have to attend sede chapels exclusively. He referred me to Father Cekada's articles on not attending any Mass where the Pope's name is mentioned in the canon. I was pretty disappointed to hear this. But he is a very kind elderly man. He spoke with me for 2 hours and we really hit it off. From what I gather, he's totally convinced that sedevacantism is an absolute fact and he wants to have meetings with me to try to prove it to me. I am at a crossroads. I love it there and I really hit it off with this priest but the thing is, I'm not convinced of the sede position anymore than the R&R position. Please, please pray for me everyone, that the Holy Ghost will show me the truth and give me confidence in it.

    :pray: 

    The priest obviously is a heretic. He creates his own dogmas. Communicatio in sacris with heretics does not please God.
    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)


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    Re: No Resistance available, what should I do?
    « Reply #17 on: October 20, 2021, 03:56:03 PM »
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  • That's what I thought. A cult wanting to control your soul. Sure he's NICE! And a control freak! He has no mandate to make extra 'church teachings'. I am sorry your in an uncomfortable spot. Don't get hooked in a false church.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: No Resistance available, what should I do?
    « Reply #18 on: October 20, 2021, 04:52:26 PM »
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  • Of course I could be wrong but he seems very genuine. He's probably 90 years old. The chapel is very, very tiny. He doesn't have a computer and isn't privy to most current events or what other trad priests say about these issues except the ones he has known personally in his past, like Father Cekada. After having spoken to him for a couple hours, it seems to me that he thinks the way he does because of his age and the fact that he's disconnected from technology and what goes on in the trad world. He wasn't even sure what the Byzantine Church was and wrote it down to ask Bp. Dolan. He also didn't know what a DVD was called but neither do my grandparents so I guess that's normal lol. He joined CMRI in the early 90s and suffered through the scandal on their leader at the time and then went independent. Don't get me wrong, he knows the traditional Catholic faith very, very well but it seems like he knows less about the trad movement and what other sede priests allow and don't allow than do. He appears to genuinely believe that all sede priests say you can't go to una cuм Masses. He'll refer to certain articles or pamphlets on these things. I get the impression that he's always been completely focused on his priesthood (offering Mass, distributing the Sacraments, preaching, etc) and never studied a lot about the intellectual proofs and ideas of sedevacantism. Keep in mind that his advanced age may have an effect on these things for various reasons. Like I said before he's got to be in his 90s and I honestly think he's confused about what goes on outside of his own life living in rural Ohio offering Mass at several very small mission chapels and bringing the sacraments to many off the beaten path. He drove an hour just to meet with me and we talked for several hours. He appeared to be very happy to have someone to sit and talk with. I didn't sense any deceit or dishonesty whatsoever. With all of this in mind, I appreciate and completely understand everyone's warnings which I am considering very carefully. Please pray for me.
    Our Lady of La Salette, pray for us!

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    Re: No Resistance available, what should I do?
    « Reply #19 on: October 20, 2021, 05:32:09 PM »
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  • Todd, use logic thought, and don't look for excuses for an old man going astray.
    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)


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    Re: No Resistance available, what should I do?
    « Reply #20 on: October 20, 2021, 05:43:01 PM »
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  • :pray:
    He may be old and computer illiterate. He joined a cult and is stuck. We can feel for this priest's position because he wants to faithfully fulfil his lifelong vocation as a priest of God, but the crisis in the Church means his opportunities have been and are limited, as all of ours have. This is so sad. 


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    Don't get me wrong, he knows the traditional Catholic faith very, very well
    Then he should also know that nobody has the right to invent new doctrines. This is absolutely forbidden. He may not enforce this false teaching, and prevent you from receiving Our Blessed Lord.


    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema." [Galatians 1:8]
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
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    Re: No Resistance available, what should I do?
    « Reply #21 on: October 20, 2021, 06:27:16 PM »
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  • You guys are right. I'm letting my emotions influence my logic. I really do appreciate your concern for my situation. Thank you.
    Our Lady of La Salette, pray for us!

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    Re: No Resistance available, what should I do?
    « Reply #22 on: October 21, 2021, 12:50:06 AM »
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  • What's the difference between this sede priest and those who refuse communion with the SSPX on other grounds such as entering into a premature agreement with Rome?  Isn't this really just the same mentality applied to different problems?  Earlier in this thread someone offered a definition of what it means to be a "classical" traditional catholic and the definition included something about being aloof from the official hierarchy (whatever that means).  Is this not adding something extraneous to the faith?  Or another suggested that we must adhere to his definition of "conciliar church" in order to be in good standing as a traditional catholic (according to him).  At least the sede priest is concerned about being in communion with a man who openly denies the faith, whereas some are more concerned about the mixing with actual catholics who hold differing opinions or ideas that are open to charitable debate. 



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    Re: No Resistance available, what should I do?
    « Reply #23 on: October 21, 2021, 06:06:29 AM »
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  • If he didn’t know what the Byzantine Rite was, he’s certainly not been properly educated.  That should clearly come up during a normal course of seminary studies, whether in History or a class on the Mass and Sacred Liturgy.  That sets off some alarm bells for me.

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    Re: No Resistance available, what should I do?
    « Reply #24 on: October 21, 2021, 11:36:45 AM »
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  • If he didn’t know what the Byzantine Rite was, he’s certainly not been properly educated.  That should clearly come up during a normal course of seminary studies, whether in History or a class on the Mass and Sacred Liturgy.  That sets off some alarm bells for me.
    I shouldn't have said he didn't know what it was. When I elaborated he didn't seem to be familiar with it or if there have been any changes with their ordinations/consecrations. I can't say for sure if he didn't know what it was or just didn't know much of anything about it. Like I said, I've only had one meeting with him so what I've said are first impressions, for I do not know him well at all.   
    Our Lady of La Salette, pray for us!

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    Re: No Resistance available, what should I do?
    « Reply #25 on: October 21, 2021, 06:10:14 PM »
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  • True Catholics pray for their enemies. Those against faith.  It is in the traditional Mass.


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    Re: No Resistance available, what should I do?
    « Reply #26 on: October 23, 2021, 03:01:06 PM »
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  • Oh yes, this thread is good.

    That's a pretty rough situation, even more for me, because I suffer with no traditional chapels here, neither sede ones. I only have an Indult Diocesan mass here. I pray to get a job and move out to a city that has a Resistance chapel here in Brazil, most probably the Benedictines of Santa Cruz, of Bishop Thomas Aquinas.
    𝖅𝖊𝖑𝖔 𝖟𝖊𝖑𝖆𝖙𝖚𝖘 𝖘𝖚𝖒 𝖕𝖗𝖔 𝕯𝖔𝖒𝖎𝖓𝖔 𝕯𝖊𝖔 𝖊𝖝𝖊𝖗𝖈𝖎𝖙𝖚𝖚𝖒.