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Offline Last Tradhican

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Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2018, 12:36:12 AM »
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    The Priestly Fraternity of St Peter has been granted an indult by the Vatican Commission Ecclesia Dei to use the liturgical books for Holy Week as they were until the [failed] reform of Pius XII (+1958 )
    That is strange, what is the purpose? The reform of Holy week began in 1955, this means there is no difference between 1962 and 1958, they've been granted nothing.
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    Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
    « Reply #31 on: March 05, 2018, 12:43:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: Maria Auxiliadora on March 04, 2018, 10:46:49 PM
    Now, since the FSSP and other indult communities have given up the Ecclesiastical Traditions by accepting  to be regulated by Summorum Pontificuм, they have proudly accepted from the Ecclesia Dei Commission an "Ad Experimentum" 3 years indult to offer the pre Bugnini Holy Week Ceremonies except, they have to use the 2007 BXVI Good Friday Prayer for the Conversion of the Jєωs. Each community has to request independently, 25+ FSSP chapels and some Benedictines in France have requested it so far. The list is growing. Secretum Meum Mihi blog has updates.

    They owe their beloved indult not to the Modernists or to their own efforts but to Catholics who have fought for our Traditions for the last 50 years and to ABL who preserved the priesthood at the price of "excommunication", but they will never admit that.

    They are too ignorant to realize the harm they do to the Church by accepting this indult. By accepting it they are helping Francis in (trying to) reduce the Ecclesiastical Traditions to an INDULT. What are the Ecclesiastical Traditions to them anyway? Except a mean to appear more "traditional" and perhaps emptying some SSPX or traditional independent chapels' pews if convenient for some who drive a long distance while literally bending the knee to the Jєωs either in the 1962 rubrics or in this indult. Little they know that if it were not for independent chapels (and old SSPX) their indult would have disappeared. They have become an useful tool for the Modernists.




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    Maria Auxiliardora, this is very interesting, can you repost ALL your material as a new thread. This is really odd, being as the Holy Week changes of Pius XII occurred in 1955.
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
    « Reply #32 on: March 05, 2018, 12:50:47 AM »
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    FWIW when the local bishop in Orange County tried to sneak incognito into OLHC in Garden Grove during a Mass, dressed as a layman, someone recognized him and quietly informed Msgr. Perez about his presence in the chapel. Monsignor got the school children to line up and approach the bishop, genuflecting and kissing his ring in turn.
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    It's a traditional practice that isn't used much anymore in Newchurch, and the bishop was alert to the conspicuous honor he received.
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    Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
    « Reply #33 on: March 05, 2018, 02:11:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Fanny on March 04, 2018, 04:48:07 PM
    1. Fssp seminary teaches the NO ordinary mass in their seminaries as well as the TLM extraordinary mass.  They must accept the NO mass as legitimate.  
    2. An FSSP priest may have been ordained NO and jumped over to TLM.  No guarantee your FSSP priest was originally ordained in the old rite.
    3. TLM is not equivalent to the tridentine mass.  Many traditionalists assume this to be true, but it is absolutely not.
    4.  Now I understand your support of a NO "bishop" visiting an SSPX school.
    My understanding is that if a priest of the Novus Ordo wants to come over to the SSPX then he doesn't have to be ordained all over again and that this has been the long standing policy of the SSPX.  
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    Re: "Ultra Liberal" N.O. Bishop visits SSPX chapel/school in Walton, KY
    « Reply #34 on: March 05, 2018, 08:23:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: Maria Auxiliadora on March 04, 2018, 10:46:49 PM
    Now, since the FSSP and other indult communities have given up the Ecclesiastical Traditions by accepting  to be regulated by Summorum Pontificuм, they have proudly accepted from the Ecclesia Dei Commission an "Ad Experimentum" 3 years indult to offer the pre Bugnini Holy Week Ceremonies except, they have to use the 2007 BXVI Good Friday Prayer for the Conversion of the Jєωs. Each community has to request independently, 25+ FSSP chapels and some Benedictines in France have requested it so far. The list is growing. Secretum Meum Mihi blog has updates.

    They owe their beloved indult not to the Modernists or to their own efforts but to Catholics who have fought for our Traditions for the last 50 years and to ABL who preserved the priesthood at the price of "excommunication", but they will never admit that.

    They are too ignorant to realize the harm they do to the Church by accepting this indult. By accepting it they are helping Francis in (trying to) reduce the Ecclesiastical Traditions to an INDULT. What are the Ecclesiastical Traditions to them anyway? Except a mean to appear more "traditional" and perhaps emptying some SSPX or traditional independent chapels' pews if convenient for some who drive a long distance while literally bending the knee to the Jєωs either in the 1962 rubrics or in this indult. Little they know that if it were not for independent chapels (and old SSPX) their indult would have disappeared. They have become an useful tool for the Modernists.




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    You are right, except the FSSP founders know they should thank their existence to ABL.
    One visit to one FSSP mass and you can sense the Catholic-on-sunday-only attitudes.  One visit.
    It is becoming that way at my local sspx:  Holier than thou at mass but heathens during the week.
    A Catholic should wear his Faith on his sleeve.
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