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Offline Matthew

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Re: Et Tu, Sean Johnson?
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2018, 06:24:02 PM »
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    The usage of "jump the shark" has subsequently broadened beyond television, indicating the moment when a brand, design, franchise, or creative effort's evolution declines, or when it changes notably in style into something unwelcome.
    To answer your original question: Yes, Sean Johnson has jumped the shark.
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    Re: Et Tu, Sean Johnson?
    « Reply #31 on: June 10, 2018, 07:06:12 PM »
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    I'm surprised, though, that you don't list any who have gone full-blown Novus Ordo
    Most of the families of the millenials in my “data” were VERY traditional, I’d say “cream of the crop” as far as the sacrifices their grandparents went thru to get mass during the 70s-80s, with many of the grandparents having started chapels on their own.  

    So, the grandchildren leaving the TLM for the indult is scandalous enough.  Many of them have told me they have occasionally gone to the novus ordo (but only when the indult isn’t available, as if that’s an excuse) but they have not embraced it wholeheartedly.  I think deep down they know it’s not catholic and they don’t want to cross that imaginary line - a sign that their conscience still bothers them about their abandoning of the True Faith.  

    On the other hand, they go on and on about how they love the indult priests (“They’re SO conservative”, they say) yet these priests, who proclaim a love for tradition, turn around a few hours/days later and say the novus ordo in all its empty and humanistic glory.  Oh, what a hypocrisy!

    All in all, the Millenials downfall and their spiritual Achilles heel is peer pressure.  They all want to “fit in” and be part of the “jolly old gang”.  Their biggest fear is to be different, which is proven by the popularity of social media and the endless need to be “liked” and to be funny.  Sean’s need for “upvotes” is a symptom of this social and spiritual sickness.  

    I don’t like to quote Abraham Lincoln but his point is applicable here to Millenials, who still haven’t grown up from the high-school popularity, childish mindset.

    Everyman is born an original, but sadly most die as copies.


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    Re: Et Tu, Sean Johnson?
    « Reply #32 on: June 10, 2018, 08:03:32 PM »
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  • Let me be clear: IMO the ability to up or downvote any individual post is NOT a problem. It means someone didn't agree with what you wrote.

    If only that were the case.  Some people go on vendettas and downvote everything you post if you've crossed them in the past.  I've had completely innocuous uncontroversial posts get 3 automatic downvotes simply because there were people out to get back at me ... and obviously unrelated to the particular post.  With that said, I could hardly care less about my online Reputation.

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    Re: Et Tu, Sean Johnson?
    « Reply #33 on: June 10, 2018, 08:59:19 PM »
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  • To answer your original question: Yes, Sean Johnson has jumped the shark.
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    Offline Matthew

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    Re: Et Tu, Sean Johnson?
    « Reply #34 on: June 10, 2018, 09:24:18 PM »
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  • The Reputation score is mostly worthless, but is only useful in a broad-brush, vague context. It is a measure of How Well a User Fits In On CathInfo, it could be their Trad Orthodoxy Score, Good Poster Score, or some combination of those things.

    A few downvotes aren't going to change the big picture. Just the fact that you got 7000 upvotes says a lot about your glorious past posting history. Even if someone managed to downvote you to 7,000 downvotes, I'm not going to look into banning you or something. I'm not stupid.

    If I connected the downvote system to automatic warnings/temporary bans/posting privileges or other computer/software-based moderation then I would FULLY agree with your objections.

    But they are just a guideline for the Moderator when he looks into a given user. When someone has 10 upvotes and 120 downvotes, I take notice and look at his posting history. And guess what? Those numbers almost NEVER LIE. Usually when someone is thus lopsided the person is very rough around the edges at best, heretical at worst, etc.

    And I want to remind everyone again: the more participation in the voting system, the better and more accurate everyone's score is. Because guess what? The troublemakers and loudmouths certainly don't hold back on voting. If you leave all the voting to them, the forum's posts and Rep scores will reflect only THEIR tastes! Don't let that happen.

    And I should also remind everyone (again) that part of the reason the system "works" is because I restrict how much "inflating" or "damage" you can give someone's score. Mary is only allowed to be 16% of John's downvotes. Once she hits that limit, she will get an error message until enough people downvote John so she can downvote him (1) more time. And so on.

    If John has 100 downvotes, Mary can only be 16 of them. But if John gets up to 200 downvotes, then Mary's total 16 downvotes is only 8% instead of 16% of John's total, so she is allowed to downvote him again.

    When a user is a real jerk, or a total misfit here, the downvote limits don't really limit anybody since enough OTHER people are also downvoting him.

    But it makes it harder to gang up on someone and damage his score.

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    Re: Et Tu, Sean Johnson?
    « Reply #35 on: June 10, 2018, 09:29:24 PM »
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  • P.S. When someone is banned, I have a script now that goes through and deletes all the up/downvotes that person made. I'm not going to have ex-CathInfo members -- who for one reason or another turned out to be unsuitable -- deciding ANYTHING about what is good or bad here on CathInfo.

    However, although the votes are removed from posts, at the moment the total Rep scores are not updated. Maybe I'll write a script for that someday...

    BUT since the votes are actually removed, THAT is what's used for the calculation of limits. So if you have 100 actual, surviving downvotes, but your Rep score shows 200 total downvotes, each person can downvote you only 16. Because it's the actual vote database that's looked at, in real time, to calculate voting limits.

    The Rep score (shown by your name) isn't used by the software at all. It's basically a piece of text. It's not used in any calculations at the moment.
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    Re: Et Tu, Sean Johnson?
    « Reply #36 on: June 10, 2018, 10:37:46 PM »
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  • I'm happy to say I have everyone beat.   Between the computer giving me one day to the next more than a double down votes over night, and dealing with the ego of johnson whose happy to give the button but doesn't like to take it, I would offer there is another reason of down votes.  There are some really immature people here who have good things to say and really stupid things to say.  So down votes mean nothing when they are attack measures because they're angry at everyone regardless if you say something nice or a provoking thought to stimulate ideas.

    Lots of tempers here that's for sure.

    Have an idea for the number folks.  Worry more what our Lord thinks than what man thinks.  Your speech should be edifying for both.

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    Re: Et Tu, Sean Johnson?
    « Reply #37 on: June 10, 2018, 10:41:24 PM »
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  • Opps, just saw yours Smedley Butler.  You win.