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Offline Last Tradhican

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No Leonine Prayers at Sanford Florida Priory Masses
« on: June 05, 2018, 07:53:49 AM »
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    • Went to the mass at the SSPX Sanford Florida Priory on a  Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and all three days the priest did not do the Leonine prayers after the Low Mass, instead he did some weather prayer in Latin that I could not understand (I was told that is what it was). In the Sunday Low mass there were no Leonine Prayers after mass nor the weather blessing, so I assume the problem is the Leonine prayer. The prior is French, so I ask, do they omit the Leonine Prayers in France? Why don't they do both the Leonine Prayers and the weather blessing? The Leonine prayers take like 3 minutes and the blessing maybe took 1 minute.  

    I remember that priory got hit by a hurricane last year, maybe it was because they are not doing the Leonine Prayers?
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    Re: No Leonine Prayers at Sanford Florida Priory Masses
    « Reply #1 on: June 05, 2018, 08:54:57 AM »
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    • First goes the Leonine Prayers, then the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar, then strip down the Offertory, well the Novus Ordo has more scripture ...
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    Re: No Leonine Prayers at Sanford Florida Priory Masses
    « Reply #2 on: June 05, 2018, 09:08:07 AM »
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    • Good you asked the priest.

    Of course, for the American (primitive) Catholic to dare approach a French SSPX priest with such a question is an insult.

    You should be happy you didn't get your face slapped. :chef:
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    Re: No Leonine Prayers at Sanford Florida Priory Masses
    « Reply #3 on: June 05, 2018, 09:52:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on June 05, 2018, 09:08:07 AM
    Of course, for the American (primitive) Catholic to dare approach a French SSPX priest with such a question is an insult.
    Less than 4% of Catholics in France attend mass. In the USA, mass attendance is 24%. Why emulate the French system that bought such results? The French model should rather be an example of what to avoid, and the USA model an example of how the downfall was better avoided (attendance in the USA was 80% in the 1950's, so the current 24% is not a model of perfection, but rather just a model of how the downfall was better avoided that in France).
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    Re: No Leonine Prayers at Sanford Florida Priory Masses
    « Reply #4 on: June 05, 2018, 11:02:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on June 05, 2018, 09:52:42 AM
    Less than 4% of Catholics in France attend mass. In the USA, mass attendance is 24%. Why emulate the French system that bought such results? The French model should rather be an example of what to avoid, and the USA model an example of how the downfall was better avoided (attendance in the USA was 80% in the 1950's, so the current 24% is not a model of perfection, but rather just a model of how the downfall was better avoided that in France).

    Facts don't apply.

    From the eyes of a French Society priest, we Americans are primitive.
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    Re: No Leonine Prayers at Sanford Florida Priory Masses
    « Reply #5 on: June 06, 2018, 02:34:44 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on June 05, 2018, 07:53:49 AM
    Went to the mass at the SSPX Sanford Florida Priory on a  Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and all three days the priest did not do the Leonine prayers after the Low Mass, instead he did some weather prayer in Latin that I could not understand (I was told that is what it was). In the Sunday Low mass there were no Leonine Prayers after mass nor the weather blessing, so I assume the problem is the Leonine prayer. The prior is French, so I ask, do they omit the Leonine Prayers in France? Why don't they do both the Leonine Prayers and the weather blessing? The Leonine prayers take like 3 minutes and the blessing maybe took 1 minute.  

    I remember that priory got hit by a hurricane last year, maybe it was because they are not doing the Leonine Prayers?
    do you think that the weather prayer will protect the priory?
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    Re: No Leonine Prayers at Sanford Florida Priory Masses
    « Reply #6 on: June 06, 2018, 05:07:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on June 05, 2018, 07:53:49 AM
    Went to the mass at the SSPX Sanford Florida Priory on a  Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and all three days the priest did not do the Leonine prayers after the Low Mass, instead he did some weather prayer in Latin that I could not understand (I was told that is what it was). In the Sunday Low mass there were no Leonine Prayers after mass nor the weather blessing, so I assume the problem is the Leonine prayer. The prior is French, so I ask, do they omit the Leonine Prayers in France? Why don't they do both the Leonine Prayers and the weather blessing? The Leonine prayers take like 3 minutes and the blessing maybe took 1 minute.  

    I remember that priory got hit by a hurricane last year, maybe it was because they are not doing the Leonine Prayers?
    Have you tried calling and asking the priest?
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    Re: No Leonine Prayers at Sanford Florida Priory Masses
    « Reply #7 on: June 06, 2018, 08:27:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: Aleah on June 06, 2018, 05:07:56 AM
    Have you tried calling and asking the priest?
    I didn't see him after mass, and I assume the people that go to that chapel have already asked him, since it is their problem, not mine. I just found it odd. 

    My question is: Do they omit the Leonine Prayers in France?
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    Re: No Leonine Prayers at Sanford Florida Priory Masses
    « Reply #8 on: June 07, 2018, 08:05:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on June 06, 2018, 08:27:31 AM
    I didn't see him after mass, and I assume the people that go to that chapel have already asked him, since it is their problem, not mine. I just found it odd.

    My question is: Do they omit the Leonine Prayers in France?
    There are no Frenchmen on Cathinfo?
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    Re: No Leonine Prayers at Sanford Florida Priory Masses
    « Reply #9 on: June 07, 2018, 11:52:51 AM »
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    • Or just maybe there's an actual legitimate reason?

    "From May 3rd to September 14th, using a relic of the True Cross of Our Lord Jesus Christ, there is a special blessing which asks God’s protection against violent storms that frequently occur during these summer months. It is customarily given after Low Masses during this time." - courtesy of St. Francis de Sales Oratory in St. Louis, Missouri.
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    Re: No Leonine Prayers at Sanford Florida Priory Masses
    « Reply #10 on: June 07, 2018, 12:12:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: ermylaw on June 07, 2018, 11:52:51 AM
    Or just maybe there's an actual legitimate reason?

    "From May 3rd to September 14th, using a relic of the True Cross of Our Lord Jesus Christ, there is a special blessing which asks God’s protection against violent storms that frequently occur during these summer months. It is customarily given after Low Masses during this time." - courtesy of St. Francis de Sales Oratory in St. Louis, Missouri.
    It does not say that the Leonine Prayers are omitted from May 3rd to September 14th. I do not see anything wrong with weather blessings, just the omission of the Leonine Prayers. Like I said, they can easily both be done, there is no reason to eliminate the Leonine Prayers. 
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    Re: No Leonine Prayers at Sanford Florida Priory Masses
    « Reply #11 on: June 07, 2018, 12:18:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on June 07, 2018, 12:12:25 PM
    It does not say that the Leonine Prayers are omitted from May 3rd to September 14th. I do not see anything wrong with weather blessings, just the omission of the Leonine Prayers. Like I said, they can easily both be done, there is no reason to eliminate the Leonine Prayers.
    As a general proposition, if other prayers are to be said, the Leonine Prayers are omitted. For example, they are omitted at our chapel on First Fridays, when Exposition and the public Rosary are said. They could do both, but that is not consistent with the rubrics.
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    Re: No Leonine Prayers at Sanford Florida Priory Masses
    « Reply #12 on: June 07, 2018, 12:21:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on June 06, 2018, 08:27:31 AM
    I didn't see him after mass, and I assume the people that go to that chapel have already asked him, since it is their problem, not mine. I just found it odd.

    My question is: Do they omit the Leonine Prayers in France?
    Yes.

    About 3 or 4 years ago we had a priest replace our Prior in our SSPX chapel, he was from Europe, (not sure where) and he omitted the Leonin prayers. The people were upset about it and I think it was two weeks after that he announced the reason for the omission is because it is only a custom in America, he said they don't say those prayers in Europe. Although he was in America for another two years or so, he never said them after Mass.
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    Re: No Leonine Prayers at Sanford Florida Priory Masses
    « Reply #13 on: June 07, 2018, 12:24:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: ermylaw on June 07, 2018, 12:18:12 PM
    As a general proposition, if other prayers are to be said, the Leonine Prayers are omitted. For example, they are omitted at our chapel on First Fridays, when Exposition and the public Rosary are said. They could do both, but that is not consistent with the rubrics.
    So, the Leonine prayers can eliminated as a practice for 6 months out of the year during hurricane season?

    How about on Sunday, when neither the Leonine prayers nor the weather Blessing were said.
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    Re: No Leonine Prayers at Sanford Florida Priory Masses
    « Reply #14 on: June 07, 2018, 12:29:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on June 07, 2018, 12:21:33 PM
    Yes.

    About 3 or 4 years ago we had a priest replace our Prior in our SSPX chapel, he was from Europe, (not sure where) and he omitted the Leonin prayers. The people were upset about it and I think it was two weeks after that he announced the reason for the omission is because it is only a custom in America, he said they don't say those prayers in Europe. Although he was in America for another two years or so, he never said them after Mass.
    Well, there you go. That's what I thought. No wonder Europe has lost the faith (In France, less than 4% of Catholics go to mass and the other countries aren't much better off)

    Anyhow,  what goes on in other countries is no concern of ours, we have our long standing customs and that is what we need to hold on to and have others respect.
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