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Nightmare in Boston - Lies, swindling, etc. by Pablo
« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2016, 09:32:51 PM »
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    In fairness, Martin did provide a couple of very useful videos during his 30-day stay at the seminary.


    Yes, the ones that Fr. Pfeiffer made him take down. Those did open many eyes. For example, the one where Fr. Pfeiffer said, "Tony La Rosa, in posting this about Ambrose, has declared war on us." or something to that effect.

    And the conference with Ambrose Moran to the seminarians, where he said, "I consider this seminary to be canonically erected." and "Don't worry about your ordination. If something happens to me, there are other bishops waiting in the wings."

    Were both of these videos ultimately taken down?
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    « Reply #31 on: May 26, 2016, 10:12:07 PM »
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    Hi Constance, as a non-dogmatic sedevacantist and a friend of Father Hewko, I am so sorry for what happened to you and I thank God you escaped that abominable place relatively unscathed.

    I told Father that he should leave there, several times, but to no avail.

    What I really want to see is for Martin D. to corroborate your story and then to publicly condemn Boston, KY.


    Are there any REAL men left?



    Yes, there are. No one is perfect. Men are prone to defects in action or character. Real men are not perfect, but they are nevertheless men.

    I cannot disagree with anything in your letter, except for the implication that I lied or did not tell the truth in my blog. The seminary had problems, and at the time, I did not consider the problems I faced as being particularly newsworthy.

    Your trials and tribulations are far worse than what I experienced.


    Martin, you should be ashamed of what you just wrote here.


    You didn't consider the problems as "newsworthy".

    But Martin, can you honestly tell us that nothing "embarrassing to the Boston, KY operation" occurred while you were there?


    I wrote specifically of the thirty days. My problems are my own, and I didn't want to write about my problems. I wrote about Ambrose, and of other things I witnessed. Things have changed since my thirty days.


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    « Reply #32 on: May 26, 2016, 10:24:22 PM »
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  • I feel a bit like Al Pacino in the Godfather Part III.

    Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.

    I have taken a lot of flak from all sides regarding my blog, including from Father Pfeiffer and Pablo, as well as members of Cathinfo.

    I never intended my blog to be comprehensive. I wanted to capture some aspects of the life at the seminary. I spent a ton of time cooking, buying food and supplies, running errands and cleaning. I missed on many things, and I left out some problems I faced that I considered to be my own crosses to bear.  

    I apologize for my many shortcomings.

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    « Reply #33 on: May 26, 2016, 10:48:42 PM »
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    I feel a bit like Al Pacino in the Godfather Part III.

    Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.

    I have taken a lot of flak from all sides regarding my blog, including from Father Pfeiffer and Pablo, as well as members of Cathinfo.

    I never intended my blog to be comprehensive. I wanted to capture some aspects of the life at the seminary. I spent a ton of time cooking, buying food and supplies, running errands and cleaning. I missed on many things, and I left out some problems I faced that I considered to be my own crosses to bear.  

    I apologize for my many shortcomings.



    You defended Fr. Pfeiffer tooth and nail this entire time and distorted many things about this. Only now that a lady posted the whole story of real life at seminary that you apologize. I think it is entirely rational to question your sincerity.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #34 on: May 26, 2016, 11:02:27 PM »
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    I feel a bit like Al Pacino in the Godfather Part III.

    Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.

    I have taken a lot of flak from all sides regarding my blog, including from Father Pfeiffer and Pablo, as well as members of Cathinfo.

    I never intended my blog to be comprehensive. I wanted to capture some aspects of the life at the seminary. I spent a ton of time cooking, buying food and supplies, running errands and cleaning. I missed on many things, and I left out some problems I faced that I considered to be my own crosses to bear.  

    I apologize for my many shortcomings.



    You defended Fr. Pfeiffer tooth and nail this entire time and distorted many things about this. Only now that a lady posted the whole story of real life at seminary that you apologize. I think it is entirely rational to question your sincerity.


    I posted my experiences. She posted hers, which took place long after the thirty days.


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    « Reply #35 on: May 26, 2016, 11:21:44 PM »
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    I feel a bit like Al Pacino in the Godfather Part III.

    Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.

    I have taken a lot of flak from all sides regarding my blog, including from Father Pfeiffer and Pablo, as well as members of Cathinfo.

    I never intended my blog to be comprehensive. I wanted to capture some aspects of the life at the seminary. I spent a ton of time cooking, buying food and supplies, running errands and cleaning. I missed on many things, and I left out some problems I faced that I considered to be my own crosses to bear.  

    I apologize for my many shortcomings.



    You defended Fr. Pfeiffer tooth and nail this entire time and distorted many things about this. Only now that a lady posted the whole story of real life at seminary that you apologize. I think it is entirely rational to question your sincerity.


    I did not distort anything, as that would be no better than lying. I told things from my perspective of events. You may not agree with some of my prior views on the events and situations at the seminary, but please do not accuse me of lying about these events. I do not intend to distort, lie or deceive.

    I know what I need to do, now, based on recent events, and things which have unfolded after my thirty days in Boston. What I could use now, more than speculation on my sincerity, are prayers. My brother needs them, too, as does everyone present in Boston.

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    « Reply #36 on: May 27, 2016, 12:16:24 AM »
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    « Reply #37 on: May 27, 2016, 04:06:14 AM »
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    I feel a bit like Al Pacino in the Godfather Part III.

    Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.

    I have taken a lot of flak from all sides regarding my blog, including from Father Pfeiffer and Pablo, as well as members of Cathinfo.

    I never intended my blog to be comprehensive. I wanted to capture some aspects of the life at the seminary. I spent a ton of time cooking, buying food and supplies, running errands and cleaning. I missed on many things, and I left out some problems I faced that I considered to be my own crosses to bear.  

    I apologize for my many shortcomings.



    You defended Fr. Pfeiffer tooth and nail this entire time and distorted many things about this. Only now that a lady posted the whole story of real life at seminary that you apologize. I think it is entirely rational to question your sincerity.


    I did not distort anything, as that would be no better than lying. I told things from my perspective of events. You may not agree with some of my prior views on the events and situations at the seminary, but please do not accuse me of lying about these events. I do not intend to distort, lie or deceive.

    I know what I need to do, now, based on recent events, and things which have unfolded after my thirty days in Boston. What I could use now, more than speculation on my sincerity, are prayers. My brother needs them, too, as does everyone present in Boston.


    Well it seems you're finally seeing Boston for what it is. Your job now is to try and protect your brother and get him out of that cesspool. Don't worry about trying to save the "world" at this point, try to get him out of there first.


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    « Reply #38 on: May 27, 2016, 05:47:04 AM »
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  • Handing large sums of money to priests and institutions that later defect should not be done. You cannot buy your way into heaven and, if these clerics only want you for that, you have to walk away and build an aversion towards religious bodies. Many have experienced this learning curve. No doubt the SSPX has now huge endowments raised through deception. I keep asking for my money back!

    Another problem is being too close to churchmen. Women in particular seem to acquire some 'emotional fix' that way which always ends in tears or disillusion. Seeing groupies encircling priests is distasteful and I am sure reflects some psychological condition. I see it everywhere when men are elevated and easily command a band of 'worshippers'. Folk should not be too intense about their religion; you will find your leaders taking it quite easy living in fine homes in the mountains or by the sea courtesy of doting followers!  


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    « Reply #39 on: May 27, 2016, 06:27:46 AM »
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  • Wessex wrote: Folk should not be too intense about their religion,

    Tell that to the Martyrs.

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    « Reply #40 on: May 27, 2016, 06:56:37 AM »
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    Handing large sums of money to priests and institutions that later defect should not be done. You cannot buy your way into heaven and, if these clerics only want you for that, you have to walk away and build an aversion towards religious bodies. Many have experienced this learning curve. No doubt the SSPX has now huge endowments raised through deception. I keep asking for my money back!

    Another problem is being too close to churchmen. Women in particular seem to acquire some 'emotional fix' that way which always ends in tears or disillusion. Seeing groupies encircling priests is distasteful and I am sure reflects some psychological condition. I see it everywhere when men are elevated and easily command a band of 'worshippers'. Folk should not be too intense about their religion; you will find your leaders taking it quite easy living in fine homes in the mountains or by the sea courtesy of doting followers!  



    I had no "emotional fix" upon any churchmen!  In fact, I also find this sort of thing distasteful.  Fr. Pfeiffer accused me of being "an escape artist" because I tried to avoid the men at all cost.  I was primarily interested in getting off-site.  I was extremely uncomfortable with the close proximity and I asked Fr. Pfeiffer if I could put doors on the kitchen.  I walked in faith.  I could only see one step ahead at a time.  Sometimes I couldn't see the next step.
    My story is not over.  


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    « Reply #41 on: May 27, 2016, 07:04:17 AM »
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    Wessex wrote: Folk should not be too intense about their religion,

    Tell that to the Martyrs.


    Well said.  But the martyrs weren't foolishly and blindly following cult leaders.

    Wessex is the consummate pragmatist.

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    « Reply #42 on: May 27, 2016, 08:17:04 AM »
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    Handing large sums of money to priests and institutions that later defect should not be done. You cannot buy your way into heaven and, if these clerics only want you for that, you have to walk away and build an aversion towards religious bodies. Many have experienced this learning curve. No doubt the SSPX has now huge endowments raised through deception. I keep asking for my money back!

    Another problem is being too close to churchmen. Women in particular seem to acquire some 'emotional fix' that way which always ends in tears or disillusion. Seeing groupies encircling priests is distasteful and I am sure reflects some psychological condition. I see it everywhere when men are elevated and easily command a band of 'worshippers'. Folk should not be too intense about their religion; you will find your leaders taking it quite easy living in fine homes in the mountains or by the sea courtesy of doting followers!  



    This story should have concluded at #20. Things were problematic enough to warrant caution and one might say, a red light. Beyond that was courting danger.

    Folks should learn not to give their money to anything that does not directly contribute them receiving the sacraments. The sects are the scourge of the Remnant, but in today's reality may be better termed, the Tribes of Tradition, with clerics who reign in the manner of Zulu Kings.

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    « Reply #43 on: May 27, 2016, 09:52:16 AM »
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    Handing large sums of money to priests and institutions that later defect should not be done. You cannot buy your way into heaven and, if these clerics only want you for that, you have to walk away and build an aversion towards religious bodies. Many have experienced this learning curve. No doubt the SSPX has now huge endowments raised through deception. I keep asking for my money back!

    Another problem is being too close to churchmen. Women in particular seem to acquire some 'emotional fix' that way which always ends in tears or disillusion. Seeing groupies encircling priests is distasteful and I am sure reflects some psychological condition. I see it everywhere when men are elevated and easily command a band of 'worshippers'. Folk should not be too intense about their religion; you will find your leaders taking it quite easy living in fine homes in the mountains or by the sea courtesy of doting followers!  


    I would only agree that people should be circuмspect about who they throw money at.

    And I have heard for years about how some women attach themselves to various priests in an unhealthy manner. That is also true. Women naturally make everything personal. They have a strong psychological NEED for a saintly priest, and follow him personally (like a husband) in their pursuit of religion and holiness. They aren't dominated by reason the way men normally are. Of course, in 2016 a lot of men have been un-manned and are acting like women, but I digress.

    Men listen to a great sermon and say, "Wow, that was a great sermon -- such a good exposition of Catholic doctrine."

    Women listening to the same sermon would say, "Wow, Fr. X is such a great, holy priest. I love his sermons."

    Beyond that, this is a horrible post.

    "Folk should not be too intense about their religion" -- are you KIDDING ME? You have got to be joking. The Catholic Faith should be the center of our lives. It should dominate everything we do and everything we are.

    You can compose grammatically correct sentences, and you are pretty decent at spelling, but I will NEVER mistake you for wise, Wessex. You might do some thinking, opining and cogitating, and come across as a philosopher of sorts, but in all your philosophical travels you haven't come up with much truth or wisdom, at least none that I've seen posted here.

    Your argument is basically "I've seen too many hearts broken. Folks shouldn't "love" another human being. I've seen too many men abuse their wives, and people break each others hearts. The only answer is to stop loving human beings."

    Uh...no.

    Specifically, you think you've found the solution to deal with bad priests -- become an anti-clerical! Isn't that like curing the patient by killing him? No more cancer, but no more LIFE either!

    Just because you can have your heart broken is NOT a reason to stop trusting and loving, which makes you vulnerable.

    Just because some priests take advantage of the faithful's love and devotion to the Church (,priests, the Mass) does NOT mean that the faithful's love, devotion, and generous donations are misplaced! On the contrary. The Faithful are the victims here -- it's the priests who stoop this low that we should be castigating and criticizing.

    Why not criticize children who are victims of incest? Or how about we criticize the adult fathers who actually perpetrate the crime?

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    « Reply #44 on: May 27, 2016, 10:07:01 AM »
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    Handing large sums of money to priests and institutions that later defect should not be done. You cannot buy your way into heaven and, if these clerics only want you for that, you have to walk away and build an aversion towards religious bodies. Many have experienced this learning curve. No doubt the SSPX has now huge endowments raised through deception. I keep asking for my money back!


    Both Fellay & Co. and Pfeiffer & Co. are 'black holes' for money.  Once one points one's dollars in that direction, or comes anywhere near the edge of that abyss, the dollars are immediately sucked into its dark void, never to be retrieved again.  Ask Fr. Voigt about it.  

    There's no way to put a nice face on it.  Fr. Pfeiffer is a common thief.  At this point, he's stolen tens of thousands of dollars from others, not at gunpoint, or by physically breaking into homes and shops, but by drawing folks to the brink of his 'black, (or is it white), cassock.'  Pfeiffer, with plenty of help from his pal, Pablo, is a figurative 'black hole,' or a 'white hole,' however you want to look at it.