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Offline JmJ2cents

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Re: Next step to SSPX "Regularization"
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2018, 09:37:29 PM »
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    • The bigger Resistance centers are there because people are donating their money and putting in the work.  Are we willing to give up a weekly or monthly mass for a smaller group?  That is not up to us, but up to the priest and Bishops.  Obviously money is an issue here.  How can they afford to go where there is one or two families?  The priest are doing all they can and traveling as much as they can.  I don't see what else you want them to do Samuel.  
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    Offline Samuel

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    Re: Next step to SSPX "Regularization"
    « Reply #16 on: January 13, 2018, 09:50:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: JmJ2cents on January 13, 2018, 09:37:29 PM
    The bigger Resistance centers are there because people are donating their money and putting in the work.  Are we willing to give up a weekly or monthly mass for a smaller group?  That is not up to us, but up to the priest and Bishops.  Obviously money is an issue here.  How can they afford to go where there is one or two families?  The priest are doing all they can and traveling as much as they can.  I don't see what else you want them to do Samuel.  
    I mostly agree. All the Resistance priests in my neck of the woods are doing all they can. But if that is not enough, then I don't see how that can be blamed on the bishops not having a 'plan of action', which is what was suggested a few posts back.

    With regards to those isolated families, how could the good shepherd afford to leave the 99 in search of the one lost sheep? This is where the charity (and Catholic Action) of the 99 sheep should come into the picture.
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    Offline Fanny

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    Re: Next step to SSPX "Regularization"
    « Reply #17 on: January 13, 2018, 09:57:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: JmJ2cents on January 13, 2018, 09:37:29 PM
    The bigger Resistance centers are there because people are donating their money and putting in the work.  Are we willing to give up a weekly or monthly mass for a smaller group?  That is not up to us, but up to the priest and Bishops.  Obviously money is an issue here.  How can they afford to go where there is one or two families?  The priest are doing all they can and traveling as much as they can.  I don't see what else you want them to do Samuel.  
    Smaller resistance centers put in the money and the work, too.  It is not our fault if we cannot find interested traditional Catholics in our area, is it?

    Weekly mass?  Lucky You!
    Monthly mass, lucky you, too!
    We are lucky to get mass every other month.

    Why do the priests have to afford to go where there is one or two families?  Don't the families pay for the trip and a stipend as well?  If they don't, we're doing this all wrong...

    We appreciate every single mass we receive and I look forward to the day when a son of mine will be taught and mentored by a fine priest.

    God will provide.
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    Re: Next step to SSPX "Regularization"
    « Reply #18 on: January 14, 2018, 12:05:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: Samuel on January 13, 2018, 09:27:13 PM
    The real problem is, are all the Resistance priests ready to give up their new found independence? Are all Resistance priests willing to travel around the world, or do some of them prefer to settle in one cozy spot? And those people who found such a stationary priest, are they willing to give up their daily or weekly Mass so that their priest can travel the world in pursuit of other starting sheep? Again, not really the bishop's fault, at least not directly.
    Very good questions.
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    Re: Next step to SSPX "Regularization"
    « Reply #19 on: January 14, 2018, 12:34:37 AM »
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    • Also why would the Resistance priest make an effort to come to places where there is already an SSPX mission or parish and the Resistance laity still goes to both?  I think they should go to where there is Resistance who will not risk going to the SSPX.  Why travel thousands of miles?  
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    Re: Next step to SSPX "Regularization"
    « Reply #20 on: January 14, 2018, 12:37:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: JmJ2cents on January 14, 2018, 12:34:37 AM
    Also why would the Resistance priest make an effort to come to places where there is already an SSPX mission or parish and the Resistance laity still goes to both?  I think they should go to where there is Resistance who will not risk going to the SSPX.  Why travel thousands of miles?  
    I doubt this is ever an all-or-none situation. You usually have some people in a location who have left the SSPX and others who still attend.
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    Re: Next step to SSPX "Regularization"
    « Reply #21 on: January 14, 2018, 12:49:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: MaterDominici on January 14, 2018, 12:37:05 AM
    I doubt this is ever an all-or-none situation. You usually have some people in a location who have left the SSPX and others who still attend.
    Well then they should go where there is more who don't get the sacraments from the xsspx and are only receiving them from them... IMO.  
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    Re: Next step to SSPX "Regularization"
    « Reply #22 on: January 14, 2018, 02:35:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: JmJ2cents on January 14, 2018, 12:34:37 AM
    Also why would the Resistance priest make an effort to come to places where there is already an SSPX mission or parish and the Resistance laity still goes to both?  I think they should go to where there is Resistance who will not risk going to the SSPX.  Why travel thousands of miles?  
    I think your reasoning may be too pragmatic, and not "missionary" enough.

    The Resistance priests in Australasia will go to wherever they are needed, including and especially those remote and poorer areas that no longer fit into the business model of the SSPX and have thus been abandoned by them. Sometimes that means that the richer ones need to cover for the poorer ones, and sometimes that means that those who "deserve it more" will have to share with those who "deserve it less".

    If we get too calculating and business minded, we risk going the same way as the SSPX and losing God's blessing. Every soul counts, even if they are still "on the fence"!
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    Re: Next step to SSPX "Regularization"
    « Reply #23 on: January 14, 2018, 08:28:09 AM »
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    • I agree with you Samuel and those of us who can pay for them traveling to those who can't is ok with me but if those who can't pay and are still going to the SSPX well that is a different story.  Maybe I am being a bit harsh but the reality is that those people think that they have nothing to lose and they can't really see the real fight.  Perhaps they will with time and I am continue to pray for them but it still seems like they should go where there faithful are really in need of them, the rich or the poor.  
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    Re: Next step to SSPX "Regularization"
    « Reply #24 on: January 14, 2018, 12:41:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Samuel on January 13, 2018, 09:34:32 PM
    Talk like that is cheap.

    If you have the evidence to accuse and/or convict a priest in their charge, did you pass it on to the bishop?

    But if you don't have such evidence, why are you accusing them? Since when did Catholic Action include gossiping and slandering?

    The 'best' evidence I have ever seen of such a case you are trying to smear onto the bishops is the insinuations and the "take my word for it" of a London drama queen.
    In the case of Fr. Roberts,  what bishop is that?
    If you doubt the docuмentation of him being removed from FL for homo acts with a married man, you are free to call FL to verify. They are an open book and are not concealing his secrets.
    Similarly, if you doubt Fr. Ortiz and Fr. Chazal's statements about Roberts acting out prior to May, you may contact them directly. 
    Regarding Fr. Cordaro, his Order confirmed he was defrocked for inappropriate contact with a minor. You may also contact them to confirm. Which bishop would you like to contact to report that he is still presenting himself as a priest? 
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    Re: Next step to SSPX "Regularization"
    « Reply #25 on: January 14, 2018, 02:40:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Samuel on January 13, 2018, 09:27:13 PM
    I believe HE (Williamson) is wrong, and judging by the erection of the SAJM I believe bishop Faure disagrees with him as well. The real problem is, are all the Resistance priests ready to give up their new found independence? Are all Resistance priests willing to travel around the world, or do some of them prefer to settle in one cozy spot? And those people who found such a stationary priest, are they willing to give up their daily or weekly Mass so that their priest can travel the world in pursuit of other starting sheep?


    The rest of the post was very good, but I am sorry to see you peddle this nonsense Samuel.

    NOWHERE is it written that priests must organize in a group. The idea that we can create some kind of parallel Church is nonsense and total fantasy. Fantasy in that it is refusal of the mind to face up with reality.

    What I find perverse and insidious also is the condescension used by those who believe in this fantasy towards priests who chose not to join a group. As if they are some kind of inferior foolish beings. In some cases it is quite the contrary!

    Fantasy also in that it is a refusal to learn the lessons from history. We have seen what a monolith like the SSPX can do. How one man can destroy everything. This doesn't mean all organization is bad, nor that everyone should be independent. A balanced approach is needed.

    Fantasy also in that there is a cultish type worship around the SAJM by some, now developing in the Resistance. These proud people will only get more arrogant as the years go on because the SAJM has the seminary, and it will be used to hang over faithful who want priests to keep them quiet. By certain priests and faithful, not all of course, but the arrogant ones tend to be those who make the most noise.

    As has always been the case with liberalism.
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    Re: Next step to SSPX "Regularization"
    « Reply #26 on: January 14, 2018, 02:48:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on January 14, 2018, 12:41:19 PM
    In the case of Fr. Roberts,  what bishop is that?
    If you doubt the docuмentation of him being removed from FL for homo acts with a married man, you are free to call FL to verify. They are an open book and are not concealing his secrets.
    Similarly, if you doubt Fr. Ortiz and Fr. Chazal's statements about Roberts acting out prior to May, you may contact them directly.
    Regarding Fr. Cordaro, his Order confirmed he was defrocked for inappropriate contact with a minor. You may also contact them to confirm. Which bishop would you like to contact to report that he is still presenting himself as a priest?
    We were talking about bishop Williamson not having a "plan of action", and about our own "plan of action". As far as I am aware, nobody in the Resistance is associating with these characters you mentioned, and neither does any of us have any control over them. They are Pfeifferite "assets" now.
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    Re: Next step to SSPX "Regularization"
    « Reply #27 on: January 14, 2018, 02:48:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: JmJ2cents on January 14, 2018, 08:28:09 AM
    I agree with you Samuel and those of us who can pay for them traveling to those who can't is ok with me but if those who can't pay and are still going to the SSPX well that is a different story.  Maybe I am being a bit harsh but the reality is that those people think that they have nothing to lose and they can't really see the real fight.  Perhaps they will with time and I am continue to pray for them but it still seems like they should go where there faithful are really in need of them, the rich or the poor. 

    Very good point.
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    Re: Next step to SSPX "Regularization"
    « Reply #28 on: January 14, 2018, 02:51:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: MaterDominici on January 14, 2018, 12:05:37 AM
    Very good questions.

    A better question is why don't we see more mentoring of seminarians by independent priests.
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    Re: Next step to SSPX "Regularization"
    « Reply #29 on: January 14, 2018, 02:54:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: kiwiboy on January 14, 2018, 02:51:02 PM
    A better question is why don't we see more mentoring of seminarians by independent priests.
    Because your field of vision is limited. There is no obligation for a priest to put his every move on facebook.
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