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Offline BrJoseph

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« on: July 16, 2013, 06:25:19 PM »
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  • http://ledoctrinaire.blogspot.ca/2013/07/des-nouvelles-du-canada.html

    Father Wegner meets with Resisters in Montreal and makes some comments that indicate that he is quite liberal.

    An proper English translation would be appreciated.


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    « Reply #1 on: July 16, 2013, 11:18:02 PM »
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  • The fifth paragraph of the page in this link is quite revealing. It says:

    "About the Mass, he [Father Wegner] mentioned that the return to the Mass of St. Pius V would not be possible, and that the day when apostate Rome would become Catholic again (is it possible?) it would be a mass of another kind, a mixture of the traditional Mass with the modern. From his reply, one can clearly recall the Pius-Paul mass of Father Celier."

    This statement shows that Father Wegner is ready to consider Rome "Catholic again" if it would have a hybrid mass.

    I would only consider Rome "Catholic again" if it went back to the Traditional Mass.


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    « Reply #2 on: July 17, 2013, 12:23:54 PM »
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  • Whoa, Fr. Celier celebrates a mix of the TLM and NO?

    That really doesn't come as a surprise. He's the same one whose book was foreworded by someone who dislikes Archbishop Lefebvre.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #3 on: July 17, 2013, 01:29:42 PM »
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  • Father Celier considering the Pius-Paul mass in is book "Benoit XVI et les traditionalistes". This book have been approved by father Cacqueray...

    Father Celier is a gnostic... so don't be suprised on anything about him!

    Father Wegner is a priest very close to Bishop Fellay and we know the new mentality of the FSSPX...so we can get a conclusion about all of that

    (sorry if my english is not good...)

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    « Reply #4 on: July 17, 2013, 01:47:48 PM »
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  • Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
    Whoa, Fr. Celier celebrates a mix of the TLM and NO?

    That really doesn't come as a surprise. He's the same one whose book was foreworded by someone who dislikes Archbishop Lefebvre.


    I never heard that he "celebrates" a mix.  But he spoke of the possibility of a mix in the future.  

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    A translation of a passage on page 201 of Fr Celier’s book: Benoît XVI et les Traditionalistes:


    OP (Olivier Pichon): At the end of this possible process of traditionalization of the new liturgy that you imagine .... do you think Rome will wish to remove the traditional liturgy in favor of this "new liturgy traditionalized"? Or will the two liturgies live side by side permanently?

    GC (G. Celier): It is impossible to say with any certainty what will be the state of the liturgy in fifty or a hundred years. I think and hope that the traditional liturgy will continue to grow and reclaim the largest area possible. It is for this reason that we fight, because the traditional Mass is the treasure of the Church. On the other hand, if, as we have imagined, the new liturgy harvests the riches of the traditional liturgy – resulting in the "Mass pipaule" ( a mixture of the rite of St Pius V and of Paul VI) – it will probably also have a number of followers. Nevertheless, the ultra-liberal celebration of the new liturgy will continue its decline. We will, therefore, find ourselves, when it happens, in a unique and complex situation. What will happen then? I do not know. But I cannot imagine that this spiritual treasure which is the traditional liturgy will cease to be celebrated: firstly, there will always be some people attached to this ceremony (I even hope that there will be a great number of them, and why not the majority?) and secondly, its suppression would be an irretrievable loss for the Church.
     
    Abbé Grégoire Celier, Benoît XVI et les Traditionalistes, p. 201


    French text, page 201, Benoît XVI et les Traditionalistes

    OP : Au terme de cet éventuel processus de traditionalisation de la nouvelle liturgie que vous imaginez …. pensez-vous que Rome souhaitera faire disparaître la liturgie traditionnelle au profit de cette « nouvelle liturgie traditionalisée » ? Ou bien les deux liturgies vont-elles cohabiter de façon définitive ?

    GC : Il est impossible de dire avec une quelconque certitude ce que sera l’état de la liturgie dans cinquante ou cent ans. Je pense et j’espère que la liturgie traditionnelle va continuer à progresser et ainsi reconquérir le plus vaste espace possible. C’est dans ce but que nous nous battons, car la messe traditionnelle est le trésor de l’Eglise. D’un autre côté, si, comme nous venons de l’imaginer, la nouvelle liturgie s’irrigue des richesses de la liturgie traditionnelle, aboutissant à cette « messe pipaule », elle aura probablement aussi un certain nombre d’adeptes. Enfin, la célébration ultra-progressiste de la nouvelle liturgie va poursuivre sa déliquescence. Nous nous trouverons donc à ce moment-là dans une situation vraiment inédite et complexe. Que se passera-t-il alors ? Je l’ignore. Mais j’imagine mal que ce joyau spirituel qu’est la liturgie traditionnelle cesse d’être célébré : d’une part, il y aura toujours des gens attachés à ce rite (j’espère qu’ils seront même très nombreux, et pourquoi pas la majorité ?) ; d’autre part, sa suppression serait une perte irrémédiable pour l’Eglise.


    As for the man who wrote the forward to his book, I never heard his opinion on Archbishop Lefebvre, but I did see this:

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    It appears to be a docuмented fact that Fr. Gregoire Celier's ... book, Benoît XVI et les Traditionalistes was edited and had its introduction written by a Jean-Luc Maxence who is a contributor to the official journal of the Grand Orient of France, La Chaine d'Union and an author of other masonic works and ....