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Machabees · « **Reply #30 on:** February 19, 2014, 04:44:36 PM »

You bunch of hypocrites! What is worse, a soul that is poor in virtue, or a soul that is proud with critique?

Our Lord accepted many of souls that were troubled and uneducated; only to draw them to Himself. Mary Magdalene was clothed in adultery in her mind; Our Lord forgave her. The Samaritan woman at the well was uneducated and drank at the Fountain of Truth.

If our Lord was here now, what would he call you hypocrites when you go to the communion rail, proud and tarnished with evil thoughts? What did our Lord say to the Pharisee in the Temple and then to the publican who stood far off with shame and humility; who was justified?

This woman that you cast stones on, is it possible that she came back to the Church for the first time in this disorientated society and confessed her sins just prior to this picture; and now knows the proper etiquettes before the Blessed Sacrament that the priest instructed her; which she desires to come back clothed with the garments of grace and virtue? Or will she encounter you carnal hypocrites at the door and be scared to come back by your uncharitable remarks?

A picture also conveys positive thoughts towards other souls; and to pray for one another; not to just stop at the material. If you people went to Africa, or other poverty stricken countries, and continued to see through your carnal visions, you would be even more "scandalized" at their "attire"; but God looks into the soul, sees good will, and the image and likeness of His Son.

Have prudence dear people. God is the provider and Redeemer of all souls; not your rash judgments.

Matto · « **Reply #31 on:** February 19, 2014, 04:53:44 PM »

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You bunch of hypocrites! What is worse, a soul that is poor in virtue, or a soul that is proud with critique?

Is it ever okay to say someone is sinning or must we accept all kinds of sins and never open our mouths to avoid being hypocrites?

The Penny Catechism · « **Reply #32 on:** February 19, 2014, 05:38:42 PM »

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You bunch of hypocrites! What is worse, a soul that is poor in virtue, or a soul that is proud with critique?

Is it ever okay to say someone is sinning or must we accept all kinds of sins and never open our mouths to avoid being hypocrites?

In reading the last several posts in this thread...

It appears that cultivating humility first would imitate Our Lord when walking into a situation where context gives open to a person simply not knowing better. Grant it, one would really have to be tuned in to sense an evil perpetrator. However, in this case, suspending judgment and being a simple observer until there's an action that gives you a definitive red flag would allow you to access humility and charity towards that person. Whose to say, that this person may be a future saint, whose life on earth will be looked at as someone who took a stand for Christ till death...if given a chance...and you might just be that person who will influence forever, their path in life. For me, challenging myself to approach that person to admonish (if the situation demands it) rather than coward avoidance really helps me to be present in the moment (because the pressure is on to act). Always combine with a short inward prayer to get God involved and to be protected from any possible or potential negative seduction, misdirection, and indirection.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #33 on:** February 19, 2014, 06:23:51 PM »

So then the only priests we are allowed to criticize (some in this forum even spread rumors of them becoming murderous sodomites and bowler's last thread unanimously called them communists), the only ones we can ever criticize and not be criticized ourselves are the SSPX priests right?

That's not Catholic, that's a diabolical cult.

The Penny Catechism · « **Reply #34 on:** February 19, 2014, 06:40:52 PM »

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So then the only priests we are allowed to criticize are the SSPX priests right?

No. To me, I see apparent unorthodox everwhere: whether it be RR SSPX/ regular SSPX...CMRI; take your pick. And in this spirit, I truly sympathize with you. These are crazy times.

The problem for me is: where am I going to go to have a valid confession/ reception of the Eucharist??? Unfortunately, many of these same priests that we are criticizing are the best of the 'bunch.'

Especially with my beliefs (& how I look at things), which are the more unpopular on this forum board (lol); and this is a trad forum!

If you have a solution to accessing valid sacraments + less scandalous priests; I'm all ears...

Marlelar · « **Reply #35 on:** February 19, 2014, 06:46:31 PM »

I think the vitriolic language being used on this thread against one good priest and one complete stranger is totally uncalled for. Look to your own behavior before complaining about someone else.

Marsha

The Penny Catechism · « **Reply #36 on:** February 20, 2014, 12:13:51 AM »

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I think the vitriolic language being used on this thread against one good priest and one complete stranger is totally uncalled for. Look to your own behavior before complaining about someone else

Good early morning/evening Marlelar,

I looked back at my posts and didn't say anything specific against the priest/ or lay person in question??? I think you're barking up the wrong tree.

I know myself to be confident and unfortunately arrogant at times in where I stand and what I believe in on the core issues. For the most part, I have no desire in 'condemning' others here for I find it a waste of time and energy to engage in uncharitable words in never ending debate.

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #37 on:** February 20, 2014, 12:58:46 AM »

The woman was most likely new. After a few Masses she will catch on to the modest clothing norm. Should she have been booted out and publicly humiliated for trying to attend Mass? She was obviously trying to look 'nice' for church- she just has to become informed of what is appropriate. Either someone will give her a heads-up, or she will notice quickly on her own. Women are especially sensitive to fashion faux-pas. Why risk squashing a fragile soul when it is not yet necessary?

Someone asked about the "doily" on her head. I think it was a chapel-cap. They used to be very common pre-V2. I have one myself.

There was also a picture of a boy with a veil on his head. He was just playing around for a moment. I guess no kids have ever gotten bored and horsed around at Mass before? Let's lynch him!

It seems to me that someone has an ax to grind with the resistance or with Fr Chazal in particular, and posted these in an attempt to make a mountain out of a molehill. Just sayin'...

MarcelJude · « **Reply #38 on:** February 20, 2014, 03:12:15 AM »

This mass was held in Linamon, Lanao Del Norte, Mindanao, Philippines. This is the first mass ever made by Fr. Chazal in this province, and definitely the first time he has ever step foot in this place. The people in the countryside has no knowledge or very very little knowledge about traditional mass. And I can say that it would have been the reason why that lady did not know how to dress up properly because they are used to going to the novus ordo mass wearing these kinds of clothing. And for the record the chapel is not owned by SSPX. Please stop judging Fr. Chazal because all he is trying to do is make as much missions as he can to save souls! This is so much effort and even a scary mission because this is a muslim area where muslims get mad of Catholic missions..they would either kidnap a priest or worse kill one. So please don't make harsh or irrational judgements when you don't have the exact idea of what the scenario is. Thank you and may God bless us all.

bowler · « **Reply #39 on:** February 20, 2014, 08:08:40 AM »

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Fr. Chazal has lost any support from me that I would have ever had.

Your kneejerk reaction shows that you never liked him or supported him.
Your actions are not those of a noble man.

Great comment.

And the cult attitude is beginning to crawl out of its rock and manifest itself.

Remember that John was a recent Novus Ordo convert so if he doesn't quite yet understand morality and how a women should dress when receiving Holy Communion it is probably do to his lack of formation.

No cult here my friend, just an honest assessment of your ignoble attitude.

I am classified as a "Feeneyite" by the Old and New SSPX, and I criticize even Abp. Lefebvre for teaching that anyone can be saved in any religion. so, your analysis in my case is wrong.

I criticize error, I do not drop my support at the first sign of disagreement like you did here:

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Fr. Chazal has lost any support from me that I would have ever had

Since when is basic moral conduct a simple "sign of disagreement".

Will he also give her communion is she is standing or holding out her hand? These are the comments that would've been written had he been a SSPX priest. Instead he receives an "immunity from criticism card" and I am the one being criticized. What a joke and obvious display of hypocrisy. You cannot defend the indefensible so you resort to attacking me. Never mind that people are receiving communion exposing half their upper body skin.

And not suddenly I am being ignoble, but mind you be we must criticize all those "communists" SSPX priests on every thread. What a confused person you are, working backwards to destroy public decency in the name of the faith.

Reprobate.

I criticized you for only this:

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Bowler said: I criticize error, I do not drop my support at the first sign of disagreement like you did here:

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Fr. Chazal has lost any support from me that I would have ever had

As far as the communist thread, I answered your STRAWMAN objection there.

Now you call me a reprobate. Again a kneejerk reaction from you. You need to learn to control your automatic hate/casting out of anyone that disagrees with you. Though, I've know many people like you in my life, and not a one ever changed or acknowledged their fault. Try to be the first.

bowler · « **Reply #40 on:** February 20, 2014, 08:34:43 AM »

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This mass was held in Linamon, Lanao Del Norte, Mindanao, Philippines. This is the first mass ever made by Fr. Chazal in this province, and definitely the first time he has ever step foot in this place. The people in the countryside has no knowledge or very very little knowledge about traditional mass. And I can say that it would have been the reason why that lady did not know how to dress up properly because they are used to going to the novus ordo mass wearing these kinds of clothing. And for the record the chapel is not owned by SSPX. Please stop judging Fr. Chazal because all he is trying to do is make as much missions as he can to save souls! This is so much effort and even a scary mission because this is a muslim area where muslims get mad of Catholic missions..they would either kidnap a priest or worse kill one. So please don't make harsh or irrational judgements when you don't have the exact idea of what the scenario is. Thank you and may God bless us all.

Thanks MarcelJude. Those are the words of a balanced normal mind.

Like I said, people who automatically casted Fr. Chazal into the outer darkness, are showing that they never liked him. They are troubled people.

ihsv · « **Reply #41 on:** February 20, 2014, 08:48:55 AM »

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This mass was held in Linamon, Lanao Del Norte, Mindanao, Philippines. This is the first mass ever made by Fr. Chazal in this province, and definitely the first time he has ever step foot in this place. The people in the countryside has no knowledge or very very little knowledge about traditional mass. And I can say that it would have been the reason why that lady did not know how to dress up properly because they are used to going to the novus ordo mass wearing these kinds of clothing. And for the record the chapel is not owned by SSPX. Please stop judging Fr. Chazal because all he is trying to do is make as much missions as he can to save souls! This is so much effort and even a scary mission because this is a muslim area where muslims get mad of Catholic missions..they would either kidnap a priest or worse kill one. So please don't make harsh or irrational judgements when you don't have the exact idea of what the scenario is. Thank you and may God bless us all.

Thank you for the update, MarcelJude.

Unfortunately, some of us here are all-too-eager to cast the first stone. And rather than taking the matter up privately with Fr. Chazal (who, it should be understood, must answer to us, right?), some can't help but blast their interpretation of a few photos across cyberspace without any knowledge of the circuмstances.

"For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again." Mt. 7:2

John Grace · « **Reply #42 on:** February 20, 2014, 11:11:57 AM »

Many thanks for the update, MarcelJude

Mama ChaCha · « **Reply #43 on:** February 20, 2014, 06:49:28 PM »

Sorry...what's the big deal?
Fr. Chazal appears to be giving mass in an impoverished sanctuary for equally impoverished people...so, we are going to nitpick about the clothing of people who just survived a horrible typhoon and are barely surviving? Awesome.

The first time I went to mass, I had to bobby pin a Kleenex to my head and roll down the bottoms of my jean shorts, but I was sure as sunshine going to that mass, even if people were snotty and rude and condescending.

It's a sign of the times that we are so quick to condemn others. We're too jaded...

Matto · « **Reply #44 on:** February 20, 2014, 06:57:29 PM »

I would just like to point out that when a woman dresses immodestly for one day, she is likely to cause dozens of mortal sins by the men who see her dressed that way. I am a man, so I know that it is very difficult for a man to avoid sinning when women around him dress immodestly. So it is a big deal to dress immodestly, especially at Mass. I am not condemning her. Maybe she doesn't know better, but by dressing that way she is helping damn the souls of many of the men around her who see her dressed that way.