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Offline Centroamerica

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« on: February 18, 2014, 07:12:26 PM »
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  • For the record, I have been voicing my criticisms evenly.

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    This mass was held in Linamon, Lanao Del Norte, Mindanao, Philippines. This is the first mass ever made by Fr. Chazal in this province, and definitely the first time he has ever step foot in this place. The people in the countryside has no knowledge or very very little knowledge about traditional mass. And I can say that it would have been the reason why that lady did not know how to dress up properly because they are used to going to the novus ordo mass wearing these kinds of clothing. And for the record the chapel is not owned by SSPX. Please stop judging Fr. Chazal because all he is trying to do is make as much missions as he can to save souls! This is so much effort and even a scary mission because this is a muslim area where muslims get mad of Catholic missions..they would either kidnap a priest or worse kill one. So please don't make harsh or irrational judgements when you don't have the exact idea of what the scenario is. Thank you and may God bless us all.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #1 on: February 18, 2014, 07:35:50 PM »
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  •  :confused1:
    What? Where? When? Who?   W H Y bother with the doily thingy on the head?  Last spring, a woman similarly unclad sat in front of me in a US SSPX chapel.  Her dress was borderline acceptable in front, but nonexistent below the waist in back.  She, too, wore a black bra with straps and back closure showing.  She, too, went to Communion.  Must a priest give such a person Communion?  I'm sure he did not WANT to, but unless the person fits the definition of "notorious public sinner," the priest has no choice.  To me, anyone who appears at a public Mass immodestly clothed announces her public sinner status to the world without saying a word.  This poor woman needs our prayers.  She is either very ignorant or has serious hatred for Jesus Christ.  
    Sorry, too serious a matter for a dancing banana.
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    « Reply #2 on: February 18, 2014, 10:12:20 PM »
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    « Reply #3 on: February 18, 2014, 10:21:56 PM »
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  •  :facepalm:

    A return of worldwide modesty and female decorum is a must in the restoration of Our Church!

    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 19, 2014, 01:13:05 AM »
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    I don't doubt the authenticity of the photo.  I fear these kinds of things might be going on in the Philippines.  Nor do I doubt the integrity of Fr. Chazal's actions.  It certainly does not LOOK right, and I believe Fr. Chazal should find a way to inform the woman, somehow.  

    But at the same time, I do not question his wisdom in knowing HOW to go about informing her, so as to not CHASE HER AWAY.  In these days, that is a real issue to consider.

    This could  be seen as a reason that Fr. Pfeiffer is in the USA and Ireland and South America while Fr. Chazal is in Asia.

    And furthermore, we can't really know the objective or motivation of the photographer here.  While it might immediately seem he was seeking a shot to document inappropriate dress, how do we know he wasn't looking for an ad page theme to advertise the sale of lace?

    What is here to assure us that he was not hoping to attract more attendance at the chapel by promoting a campaign of "Come See How Far We've Come!?

    Fr. Pfeiffer has already groaned out loud at the highly ODD practice of certain Catholics quickly jetting from one shrine to another only to stand in front of each in turn for a photo op!  They can get their picture in front of Our Lady of Guadalupe, the Shrine to St. Rose of Lima, the Eucharistic miracle of Lanciano,  the tomb of the incorrupt body of St. Francis Xavier, and the incorrupt tongue of St. Anthony of Padua, then after they're all framed and hanging on the wall, the guy in the pictures can go out and commit more mortal sins, die, and go to hell.  He said so in context of the Philippines' supertyphoon that recently sent 50,000 (fifty-thousand) souls to their death, which he said was God's retribution for the sins of the Philippines.  He explained this in the context of meeting an older priest who offers the TLM, but not because he likes it.  He actually hates the old Mass and he hates Latin, but since there are people asking him to offer it, he does.  Then in this priest's home, when Fr. P. asked him who the children are, pictured in the framed photos hanging on the wall,  he replied, "Oh, these are my children ... in my heyday I had 30 mistresses."  There is a severe social degeneracy in the Philppines, and therefore Fr. Chazal has a proverbial UPHILL BATTLE  to wage war against.  But this is his element.  He is a FIGHTER for the Faith.  


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    « Reply #5 on: February 19, 2014, 06:05:26 AM »
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  • A benefactress of Fr. Chazal?  Slim chance!  Fr. doesn't look happy.  I think he had no choice.  Is this XSPX or after Fr. Chazal was expelled?  It IS Fr. Chazal.

    If you think this bad, (It is!), you should see how people dress--or don't!--in S. Korea!  As recently as 8-10 years ago, the attire was comparatively modest.  Now, people of all ages and both genders dress much worse than in Europe or the U.S.  The Philippines are about the same.  I wish there was a picture of the women NOT going to Communion.  Then again, maybe there is a picture but it is too raunchy to post!
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    « Reply #6 on: February 19, 2014, 07:49:37 AM »
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  • Folks dressed in such a manner should never even make it to the altar rail, they should be ordered from the house as soon as they enter.  The proper standards in relation to Our Lord's house and His Divine presence upon the altar are simply not enforced by the men whose duty it is to do so.

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    « Reply #7 on: February 19, 2014, 08:04:03 AM »
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  • The photo is as recent as within this month and was taken from a social media group where there are about 50 more photos from the same Mass proving it is not an edit as some will jump to claim. Ironically, the person taking the photos did not see anything wrong with this photo either. This is an absolute lack of leadership on the part of Fr. Chazal.

    To be extremely critical of everything the SSPX priests do and choose to ignore this or not voice criticism shows the cult like attitude that some have developed. It is a must that we criticize each and every priest or superior when we see something wrong, not just look to the side when it is some and jump to vehemently criticizing others. That is not Catholic.

    Fr. Chazal has lost any support from me that I would have ever had.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    « Reply #8 on: February 19, 2014, 08:16:41 AM »
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  • Absolute lack of leadership!!!!

    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #9 on: February 19, 2014, 08:45:20 AM »
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    This is an absolute lack of leadership on the part of Fr. Chazal.

    And this is an absolute lack of melodramatic self-control on your part.

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    « Reply #10 on: February 19, 2014, 08:58:17 AM »
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  • So they are still your heroes eh Frances?

    I have always said that the resistance survives on the strength of a personality cult of its priests and +Williamson. Despite theological flaws in its doctrine it is supported because you get this warm feeling from their priests. Thats what it is, a feeling. But the faith is based on the intellect.
    Between this hypocrisy from Fr Chazal and the spreading of serious rumors by Fr Pfeiffer, not to mention his feigned cowboy attitude, and also the endless hype of the resistance on this forum by some, especially you, heaping unjustified praise on these men, I am not persuaded to support the resistance. I am still waiting for proof that the SSPX will begin to say the new mass.


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    « Reply #11 on: February 19, 2014, 09:03:49 AM »
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    This is an absolute lack of leadership on the part of Fr. Chazal.

    And this is an absolute lack of melodramatic self-control on your part.



    Why? Because there are some priests which me must criticize every move they make and others which are completely immune from any criticism from anyone?

    If it were a current SSPX priest would it no longer classify as "lack of self-control" to say that he is causing a public scandal or some of the worse things that have been said in this forum.

    If you live in a glass house you shouldn't throw those stones.
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    « Reply #12 on: February 19, 2014, 09:07:40 AM »
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    So they are still your heroes eh Frances?

    I have always said that the resistance survives on the strength of a personality cult of its priests and +Williamson. Despite theological flaws in its doctrine it is supported because you get this warm feeling from their priests. Thats what it is, a feeling. But the faith is based on the intellect.
    Between this hypocrisy from Fr Chazal and the spreading of serious rumors by Fr Pfeiffer, not to mention his feigned cowboy attitude, and also the endless hype of the resistance on this forum by some, especially you, heaping unjustified praise on these men, I am not persuaded to support the resistance. I am still waiting for proof that the SSPX will begin to say the new mass.



    Thanks soulguard. It's good to know there are still people with common sense that can think for themselves.
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    « Reply #13 on: February 19, 2014, 09:11:54 AM »
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    Fr. Chazal has lost any support from me that I would have ever had.


    Your kneejerk  reaction shows that you never liked him or supported him.
    Your actions are not those of a noble man.

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    « Reply #14 on: February 19, 2014, 09:15:05 AM »
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    So they are still your heroes eh Frances?

    I have always said that the resistance survives on the strength of a personality cult of its priests and +Williamson. Despite theological flaws in its doctrine it is supported because you get this warm feeling from their priests. Thats what it is, a feeling. But the faith is based on the intellect.
    Between this hypocrisy from Fr Chazal and the spreading of serious rumors by Fr Pfeiffer, not to mention his feigned cowboy attitude, and also the endless hype of the resistance on this forum by some, especially you, heaping unjustified praise on these men, I am not persuaded to support the resistance. I am still waiting for proof that the SSPX will begin to say the new mass.



    Thanks soulguard. It's good to know there are still people with common sense that can think for themselves.


    The critique of Frances and the personal opinions regarding His Lordship are mere opinion.

    How is Fr Chazal being hypocritical and what are the 'serious rumors' being spread by Fr Pfeiffer.

    What is the 'hype of the resistance'?

     

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