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Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2018, 02:18:26 PM »
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  • Wow, they're really moving at break-neck speed. Must have all been decided on well in advance. Now they can just move on to the congratulatory festivities.

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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #16 on: July 11, 2018, 03:19:43 PM »
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  • Fr. Pagliarani was accused of modernism by one of Fr. Pfeiffer’s “seminarians” just a few years ago only to be defended by a well known and respected Resistance priest who also studied in La Reja.
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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #17 on: July 11, 2018, 03:57:55 PM »
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  • So who is the resistance priest who defended Fr Pagliarani?  It would be nice to know who the "moles" in the resistance are, for surely they exist.  Just as we can now see that there were "moles" in +ABL's priests.  Who planted them?  Doesn't matter.  What matters is they are there to disrupt Truth and cause confusion.  Maybe not today, but sometime in the future.  The modernists are very, very patient...

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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #18 on: July 11, 2018, 04:05:33 PM »
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  • So who is the resistance priest who defended Fr Pagliarani?  It would be nice to know who the "moles" in the resistance are, for surely they exist.  Just as we can now see that there were "moles" in +ABL's priests.  Who planted them?  Doesn't matter.  What matters is they are there to disrupt Truth and cause confusion.  Maybe not today, but sometime in the future.  The modernists are very, very patient...

    Now wait just a minute... just because Fr. Pagliarani was being "defended" doesn't mean the priest/person in question agrees with him on everything, or agrees with him at all!

    I would certainly defend even my enemy if he were being accused unjustly. For example, if someone on CI started accusing Fr. Pfeiffer, or Bishop Fellay of random sins against the 5th, 6th, 7th commandments. With no evidence of such sins, and such sins being not public or well known, I would delete any posts slandering these men. Even though I disagree with them strongly!

    Because, unlike Fr. Pfeiffer, I do not live by non-Catholic principles like "The Ends Justify the Means" or "He's my enemy, so slander is all good."

    Personally, if the combatants were a Pfeifferite "seminarian" and Fr. Pagliarani, I could easily see the latter being in the right in that particular conflict!
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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #19 on: July 11, 2018, 04:22:16 PM »
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  • Centro, do you have any more details?  Otherwise, you're just staring rumors...


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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #20 on: July 11, 2018, 04:39:06 PM »
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    Now wait just a minute... just because Fr. Pagliarini was being "defended" doesn't mean the priest/person in question agrees with him on everything, or agrees with him at all!
    Yes, my bad.  I took Centro's comments at face value when I had no reason to do so.

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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #21 on: July 11, 2018, 04:45:50 PM »
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  • All the details of said rumor are on this thread as related by other posters, especially Cristera. Have fun. 

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/is-sspx-seminary-promoting-bultmann/
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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #22 on: July 11, 2018, 04:48:25 PM »
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  • According to this thread, Fr. Chazal also defended Fr. Pagliarani against the accusation spoke of by Fr. Hewko. So there is more than one Resistance priest that would defend Fr. Paglariani in that situation.


    Rumor mongering. Bah.

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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #23 on: July 11, 2018, 05:10:45 PM »
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  • According to this thread, Fr. Chazal also defended Fr. Pagliarani against the accusation spoke of by Fr. Hewko. So there is more than one Resistance priest that would defend Fr. Pagliarani in that situation.

    By the way, there's also such a thing as John holding back on criticizing Mike, at least on January 1, because at that time there was not enough evidence of sin to warrant a public mention/criticism. In other words, the benefit of the doubt was being given.

    But my point here is this: A benefit of the doubt, or defense of a given person TODAY is not a guarantee of life-long immunity from all charges in the future.

    Anyone has the right to change his mind or position -- sometimes drastically -- as things develop, become clearer, and new evidence comes to light. Or else many of us would still today be with Fr. Pfeiffer's group, the SSPX, or even the Novus Ordo!

    But we're not. I defended the SSPX gladly in 2006, for example. I wouldn't let anyone slander the priests or the government of the organization. But does that tie my hands in the future, if they were to decide to go off the rails and head back to Modernist Rome? Of course not!

    Opposing a group isn't all that matters. Timing is important too. Luther opposed the pope too -- but he was about 500 years early, so he was to be condemned.  The Old Catholics went off and stayed aloof from the Catholic Church structure after Vatican ONE. Are they our brothers in the Faith, even though they were about 100 years early? Of course not.

    Hitting the accelerator at an intersection during a green light is actually required, but pressing the same accelerator at the same intersection just a few minutes later -- when the light happens to be red -- is reckless driving and a moving violation. Timing is important!
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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #24 on: July 11, 2018, 05:19:55 PM »
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  • Also --

    Fr. Hewko saying something is NOT any guarantee of the truth. If it were, then all of us here on CathInfo are fake resistance, on the road to Hell, etc.

    Long story short: Fr. Hewko is every bit as blameworthy and to be avoided as Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer himself. He is completely on board Fr. Pfeiffer's cause, pushing Pfeifferite lies and propaganda with his own mouth.

    When he began to do this, I wrote him off. Everyone else needs to do the same. Of course it's a shame. That goes without saying.

    I know: Fr. Hewko seems so much holier, nicer, has a huge storehouse of goodwill among many people, a good reputation going way back, etc. BUT STILL, NEVERTHELESS, the facts are the facts. He lies and attacks good priests publicly to suit his boss, so he is also to be blamed.

    You can't trust Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, and for years now you can't trust Fr. Hewko either. Sad but true.

    I wouldn't be saying this if I hadn't seen -- with my own eyes -- Fr. Hewko lie with his own mouth.
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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #25 on: July 11, 2018, 05:35:11 PM »
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    Rumor mongering. Bah. 
    If you make an accusation without proof, or pass on heresay without proof, which you originally did, that's the definition of a rumor.

    Thank you for posting the additional link.


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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #26 on: July 11, 2018, 06:37:16 PM »
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  • The Vatican Insider is reporting that unless there is a last minute surprise, the First Assistant will be +de Galarreta and the Second Fr. Christian Bouchacourt.

    Here is the Spanish Article, it should be ready in English shortly.

    http://www.lastampa.it/2018/07/11/vaticaninsider/es-italiano-el-nuevo-superior-de-los-lefebvrianos-el-acuerdo-se-aleja-fsz2Tkucc03nkWR2Sj2KLP/pagina.html


    If they really took the Oath Against Modernism, There may be hope for the SSPX (?). The Vatican Insider doesn't sound too enthusiastic.
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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #27 on: July 11, 2018, 07:44:24 PM »
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  • I guess we'll know if they were serious about the Oath Against Modernism if they send +Fellay and Assistants to Australia or the Philippines... :) 
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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #28 on: July 11, 2018, 08:38:19 PM »
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  • Wait a minute!  If you are going to talk about these people, then you have the duty to provide the context as follows,

    Exactly what did Fr. Pagliarani say or do, that warranted the charge of modernism?

    Who was the so called resistance priest who defended him and exactly what did he say?

    What did Father's Pfeiffer and Hewko say or do which lead to the charges of lying and falsification?

    Those fact for starters will allow folks to make an informed decision about who is telling the truth, and the answer to these questions will provide the accurate context to arrive at the Truth of the matter.

    Otherwise it is all heresay and name calling.

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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #29 on: July 11, 2018, 08:44:24 PM »
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  • What did Father's Pfeiffer and Hewko say or do which lead to the charges of lying and falsification?


    I'm the one who talked about Fr. Hewko.

    I pointed out that, in the recent past, Fr. Hewko has been known to drink and then OFFER THE KOOL-AID TO OTHERS in his various sermons. He is thoroughly aboard the Pfeiffer bandwagon, a company man if you will, and has been a known mouthpiece of Pfeifferian lies and propaganda. These lies victimized many people and their reputations, including Bp. Williamson, Bp. Zendejas, Fr. Voigt, CathInfo, myself, etc.

    As such, "Fr. Hewko said X." is no longer a guarantee that "X" is true, since he has proven himself willing to lie, at least in the past few years. Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer and Pablo have been extremely bad influences on him, but in the end the responsibility lies with Fr. Hewko himself. We are each responsible for our own sins. Very sad, but equally very true. 

    I have no idea if Fr. Hewko said anything untrue in the above sermon. Just to clarify.
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