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Title: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Against the Heresies on July 11, 2018, 12:24:13 PM
Link (https://fsspx.news/en/news-events/news/communiqu%C3%A9-general-house-society-saint-pius-x-39333)

Election of the Superior General

On July 11, 2018, Father Davide Pagliarani was elected Superior General, for a mandate of 12 years, by the 4th General Chapter of the Society of Saint Pius X.
The new Superior General is 47 years old and is of Italian nationality. He received the sacrament of Holy Orders from the hands of Bishop Bernard Fellay in 1996. He exercised his apostolate in Rimini (Italy), then in Singapore, before being appointed Superior of the District of Italy. Since 2012, he was Rector of Our Lady Co-Redemptrix Seminary of La Reja (Argentina).
After accepting his office, the elected pronounced the Profession of Faith and took the Anti-Modernist Oath at the seminary church. Then, each of the members present came before him to promise their respect and obedience, before singing the Te Deum in thanksgiving.
The 41 capitulants will proceed tomorrow with the election of the two Assistants General, for the same mandate of 12 years. The Chapter will continue until July 21st  at the Seminary of St. Pius X of Ecône (Switzerland)
Ecône, July 11, 2018
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: jman123 on July 11, 2018, 12:31:45 PM
Is this positive or not?
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Mega-fin on July 11, 2018, 12:43:55 PM
Is this positive or not?
Well he’s exactly the same as Bishop Fellay. 
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Meg on July 11, 2018, 12:50:25 PM
Is it a usual thing to elect the superior general on the first day of the chapter? It seems a bit hasty.

At least it's not Bishop Fellay, who intentionally took the Society in a new direction, away from the direction of +ABL. The new guy is just a follower, it seems. I don't know that much about him.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Mega-fin on July 11, 2018, 12:55:11 PM
Is it a usual thing to elect the superior general on the first day of the chapter? It seems a bit hasty.

At least it's not Bishop Fellay, who intentionally took the Society in a new direction, away from the direction of +ABL. The new guy is just a follower, it seems. I don't know that much about him.
He’s the guy that yelled down de Jorna when he proposed going back to +ABL’s position. 
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Avis on July 11, 2018, 01:01:06 PM
Mega Fin. That is a timely reminder of the character of the new SG. Clearly he is a company man and will do the bidding of Bishop Fellay who will probably set up himself as a special envoy between Rome and Menzingen after all his 'experience'. 

He may come across to many as more middle of the road, but who is worse Benedict XVI or Francis. Benedict managed to cloak his modernism and liberalism and look conservative but underneath there is little difference. I am sure it will be the same with Fr P. The first reaction will be thank God that Bishop Fellay has gone so Fr P will consequently get a honeymoon period but is unlikely to stop the drift of the XSPX. They have been compromising for too many years now.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Cantarella on July 11, 2018, 01:07:40 PM
Well he’s exactly the same as Bishop Fellay.

From an interview given when Fr. Pagliarani was the SSPX District Superior of Italy (2011):

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If we do not arrive at some canonical regularization, that simply means that the hierarchy is not yet sufficiently convinced of the urgent need for that contribution. In that case we will have to wait a few more years, hoping for an increase in that awareness, which could occur along with and parallel to the acceleration in the process of the Church’s self-destruction.


(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-q4nA9DNWEM0/TjrER8jpLSI/AAAAAAAAEVk/4LCMNHytmw4/s1600/Don_Davide_Pagliarani.jpg)

Full interview here (http://archives.sspx.org/news/2011_archive/fr_davide_pagliarani-marco_bongi_interview_7-2011/fr_davide_pagliarani-marco_bongo_interview_part1.htm)
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Mega-fin on July 11, 2018, 01:15:44 PM
From an interview given when Fr. Pagliarani was the SSPX District Superior of Italy (2011):


(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-q4nA9DNWEM0/TjrER8jpLSI/AAAAAAAAEVk/4LCMNHytmw4/s1600/Don_Davide_Pagliarani.jpg)

Full interview here (http://archives.sspx.org/news/2011_archive/fr_davide_pagliarani-marco_bongi_interview_7-2011/fr_davide_pagliarani-marco_bongo_interview_part1.htm)
Just more double speak. No more need for Rome to convert. Continue to put the Archbishop on the shelf and pretend that 1988-91 never happened, that he kept the same position. Ignore everything else, we must sign! The injustice is the “irregularity”
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Meg on July 11, 2018, 01:16:17 PM
Well he’s exactly the same as Bishop Fellay.

Except that he's not Bp. Fellay. He will likely continue on the current path of the SSPX, and take direction from Bp. Fellay.

But it was Bp. Fellay who wanted to implement the bizarre policies and beliefs of that crazy seer, the late Madame Rossinierre/Cornaz, into the Society, which would require reconciling with Rome. Who in his right Catholic mind would want to do such a thing? 

I don't expect that much will change in the SSPX, but no one could be as bad for the Society as Bp. Fellay.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: X on July 11, 2018, 01:17:14 PM
Is it a usual thing to elect the superior general on the first day of the chapter? It seems a bit hasty.
Bishop Williamson recently suggested that lobbying for the new Superior General might decide the matter in advance, and the speed with which this election took place will surely lend itself to such suspicions.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: MaterDominici on July 11, 2018, 01:27:34 PM
Leadership is normally the first priority for a periodic meeting such as this. You want discussion of the other items of concern to be led by the INCOMING leadership, not the ongoing.

It's also not usually a surprise -- at least to those who get a vote -- as to who the new leader is going to be.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: X on July 11, 2018, 01:30:00 PM
Who is Fr. Pagliarani:

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/bishop-fellay-bombarded-in-his-bunker-at-the-chapter/ (https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/bishop-fellay-bombarded-in-his-bunker-at-the-chapter/)

“Conclusion.

This statement is profoundly  ambiguous and sins by omission against the clear and distinct denunciation of the principal errors that are still rampant within the Church and destroy the faith of Catholics . This statement, as it stands, suggests that we accept the premise of the "hermeneutic of continuity ." Such a docuмent, if it were the principle of an agreement, would make such an agreement equivocal from the start and would favour any subsequent drifting away [from our original positions]. (here ends Fr de Jorna's text)

After Fr de Jorna’s presentation, Father Pagliarani (Rector of the Argentinian seminary at La Reja) rose and broke the silence in favour of Bishop Fellay in these terms :

"Dear colleagues! We are surely not going to give a slap in the face to our superior by demanding a retraction from him! This will be done implicitly in the Final Declaration of the Chapter."  

Then they went on to another topic ... The case was closed.

The “resistants” were out-manoeuvred. They could not move on to the next phase which would have been the call for Bishop Fellay’s resignation.  The Chapter participants were led to believe that the Declaration was withdrawn with an implicit disapproval of its author. Bishop Tissier was deceived like the others. In a letter, dated 29 March 2013, he said it was "tacitly concluded that there was no need to dwell on this subject, as it was obvious that the Superior General regretted his “faux pas” and was resolved not to do it again."(Official Bulletin of the French District [destined for priests] No. 251, Annex to the Circular Letter No. 2013-04)

The Chapter concluded that Bishop Fellay had understood the intrinsic evil of the Declaration and that he tacitly disapproved of his thoughts.

However, since the Chapter, Bishop Fellay has continued to defend the contents of his statement. To do this, he has abused the oath of the Chapter. Bishop Fellay thought that, since the members had promised to remain silent, no one would dare to contradict the official version of the General House.

This “official version” presents the doctrinal statement as a "minimalist text which could lead to confusion among us" ( Bishop Fellay , Cor Unum 102); or, a " sufficiently clear text " ( Bishop Fellay, Écône , 7 September 2012) . A doctrinal statement in which "any ambiguity was avoided on our judgment of the Council, including the famous hermeneutic of continuity. A Declaration which "was not understood by many prominent members of the Society, who saw ambiguity or a rallying to the thesis of the hermeneutic of continuity." ( Bishop Fellay , Cor unum 104, Note on the doctrinal statement of 15 April 2012).

If Bishop Fellay considered his text to be unambiguous, why did he not answer the presentation of Fr de Jorna ? Why didn’t he help, during the Chapter, the "prominent members of the Society” to understand his statement? Why allow Fr Pagliarani to spring to his defence in order to prevent “a slap in the face" and to focus on "an implicit withdrawal," and afterwards to claim that his statement was too subtle, no longer useful but basically sound.“
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Mega-fin on July 11, 2018, 01:43:23 PM
Except that he's not Bp. Fellay. He will likely continue on the current path of the SSPX, and take direction from Bp. Fellay.

But it was Bp. Fellay who wanted to implement the bizarre policies and beliefs of that crazy seer, the late Madame Rossinierre/Cornaz, into the Society, which would require reconciling with Rome. Who in his right Catholic mind would want to do such a thing?

I don't expect that much will change in the SSPX, but no one could be as bad for the Society as Bp. Fellay.
I’ve never heard of this seer, do you have more info?
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Meg on July 11, 2018, 01:58:11 PM
I’ve never heard of this seer, do you have more info?

Here's a link to the Cath Info discussion on the subject from two years ago. The OP gives a good overview, and there are also links in the OP to more info/articles on the Non Possumus blog.

https://cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/bp-fellays-own-private-seer/
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Avis on July 11, 2018, 02:13:45 PM
Rorate Caeli report that Bishop de Galarreta will be the first Assistant and Fr. Bouchacourt the Second Assistant of the FSSPX governing body.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on July 11, 2018, 02:18:26 PM
Wow, they're really moving at break-neck speed. Must have all been decided on well in advance. Now they can just move on to the congratulatory festivities.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Centroamerica on July 11, 2018, 03:19:43 PM
Fr. Pagliarani was accused of modernism by one of Fr. Pfeiffer’s “seminarians” just a few years ago only to be defended by a well known and respected Resistance priest who also studied in La Reja.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Pax Vobis on July 11, 2018, 03:57:55 PM
So who is the resistance priest who defended Fr Pagliarani?  It would be nice to know who the "moles" in the resistance are, for surely they exist.  Just as we can now see that there were "moles" in +ABL's priests.  Who planted them?  Doesn't matter.  What matters is they are there to disrupt Truth and cause confusion.  Maybe not today, but sometime in the future.  The modernists are very, very patient...

Pagliarani
Pagliarani
Pagliarani
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Matthew on July 11, 2018, 04:05:33 PM
So who is the resistance priest who defended Fr Pagliarani?  It would be nice to know who the "moles" in the resistance are, for surely they exist.  Just as we can now see that there were "moles" in +ABL's priests.  Who planted them?  Doesn't matter.  What matters is they are there to disrupt Truth and cause confusion.  Maybe not today, but sometime in the future.  The modernists are very, very patient...

Now wait just a minute... just because Fr. Pagliarani was being "defended" doesn't mean the priest/person in question agrees with him on everything, or agrees with him at all!

I would certainly defend even my enemy if he were being accused unjustly. For example, if someone on CI started accusing Fr. Pfeiffer, or Bishop Fellay of random sins against the 5th, 6th, 7th commandments. With no evidence of such sins, and such sins being not public or well known, I would delete any posts slandering these men. Even though I disagree with them strongly!

Because, unlike Fr. Pfeiffer, I do not live by non-Catholic principles like "The Ends Justify the Means" or "He's my enemy, so slander is all good."

Personally, if the combatants were a Pfeifferite "seminarian" and Fr. Pagliarani, I could easily see the latter being in the right in that particular conflict!
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Pax Vobis on July 11, 2018, 04:22:16 PM
Centro, do you have any more details?  Otherwise, you're just staring rumors...
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Pax Vobis on July 11, 2018, 04:39:06 PM
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Now wait just a minute... just because Fr. Pagliarini was being "defended" doesn't mean the priest/person in question agrees with him on everything, or agrees with him at all!
Yes, my bad.  I took Centro's comments at face value when I had no reason to do so.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Centroamerica on July 11, 2018, 04:45:50 PM
All the details of said rumor are on this thread as related by other posters, especially Cristera. Have fun. 

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/is-sspx-seminary-promoting-bultmann/ (https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/is-sspx-seminary-promoting-bultmann/)
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Centroamerica on July 11, 2018, 04:48:25 PM
According to this thread, Fr. Chazal also defended Fr. Pagliarani against the accusation spoke of by Fr. Hewko. So there is more than one Resistance priest that would defend Fr. Paglariani in that situation.


Rumor mongering. Bah.

Pagliarani
Pagliarani
Pagliarani
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Matthew on July 11, 2018, 05:10:45 PM
According to this thread, Fr. Chazal also defended Fr. Pagliarani against the accusation spoke of by Fr. Hewko. So there is more than one Resistance priest that would defend Fr. Pagliarani in that situation.

By the way, there's also such a thing as John holding back on criticizing Mike, at least on January 1, because at that time there was not enough evidence of sin to warrant a public mention/criticism. In other words, the benefit of the doubt was being given.

But my point here is this: A benefit of the doubt, or defense of a given person TODAY is not a guarantee of life-long immunity from all charges in the future.

Anyone has the right to change his mind or position -- sometimes drastically -- as things develop, become clearer, and new evidence comes to light. Or else many of us would still today be with Fr. Pfeiffer's group, the SSPX, or even the Novus Ordo!

But we're not. I defended the SSPX gladly in 2006, for example. I wouldn't let anyone slander the priests or the government of the organization. But does that tie my hands in the future, if they were to decide to go off the rails and head back to Modernist Rome? Of course not!

Opposing a group isn't all that matters. Timing is important too. Luther opposed the pope too -- but he was about 500 years early, so he was to be condemned.  The Old Catholics went off and stayed aloof from the Catholic Church structure after Vatican ONE. Are they our brothers in the Faith, even though they were about 100 years early? Of course not.

Hitting the accelerator at an intersection during a green light is actually required, but pressing the same accelerator at the same intersection just a few minutes later -- when the light happens to be red -- is reckless driving and a moving violation. Timing is important!
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Matthew on July 11, 2018, 05:19:55 PM
Also --

Fr. Hewko saying something is NOT any guarantee of the truth. If it were, then all of us here on CathInfo are fake resistance, on the road to Hell, etc.

Long story short: Fr. Hewko is every bit as blameworthy and to be avoided as Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer himself. He is completely on board Fr. Pfeiffer's cause, pushing Pfeifferite lies and propaganda with his own mouth.

When he began to do this, I wrote him off. Everyone else needs to do the same. Of course it's a shame. That goes without saying.

I know: Fr. Hewko seems so much holier, nicer, has a huge storehouse of goodwill among many people, a good reputation going way back, etc. BUT STILL, NEVERTHELESS, the facts are the facts. He lies and attacks good priests publicly to suit his boss, so he is also to be blamed.

You can't trust Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, and for years now you can't trust Fr. Hewko either. Sad but true.

I wouldn't be saying this if I hadn't seen -- with my own eyes -- Fr. Hewko lie with his own mouth.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Pax Vobis on July 11, 2018, 05:35:11 PM

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Rumor mongering. Bah. 
If you make an accusation without proof, or pass on heresay without proof, which you originally did, that's the definition of a rumor.

Thank you for posting the additional link.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on July 11, 2018, 06:37:16 PM
The Vatican Insider is reporting that unless there is a last minute surprise, the First Assistant will be +de Galarreta and the Second Fr. Christian Bouchacourt.

Here is the Spanish Article, it should be ready in English shortly.

http://www.lastampa.it/2018/07/11/vaticaninsider/es-italiano-el-nuevo-superior-de-los-lefebvrianos-el-acuerdo-se-aleja-fsz2Tkucc03nkWR2Sj2KLP/pagina.html


If they really took the Oath Against Modernism, There may be hope for the SSPX (?). The Vatican Insider doesn't sound too enthusiastic.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on July 11, 2018, 07:44:24 PM
I guess we'll know if they were serious about the Oath Against Modernism if they send +Fellay and Assistants to Australia or the Philippines... :) 
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: JPaul on July 11, 2018, 08:38:19 PM
Wait a minute!  If you are going to talk about these people, then you have the duty to provide the context as follows,

Exactly what did Fr. Pagliarani say or do, that warranted the charge of modernism?

Who was the so called resistance priest who defended him and exactly what did he say?

What did Father's Pfeiffer and Hewko say or do which lead to the charges of lying and falsification?

Those fact for starters will allow folks to make an informed decision about who is telling the truth, and the answer to these questions will provide the accurate context to arrive at the Truth of the matter.

Otherwise it is all heresay and name calling.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Matthew on July 11, 2018, 08:44:24 PM
What did Father's Pfeiffer and Hewko say or do which lead to the charges of lying and falsification?


I'm the one who talked about Fr. Hewko.

I pointed out that, in the recent past, Fr. Hewko has been known to drink and then OFFER THE KOOL-AID TO OTHERS in his various sermons. He is thoroughly aboard the Pfeiffer bandwagon, a company man if you will, and has been a known mouthpiece of Pfeifferian lies and propaganda. These lies victimized many people and their reputations, including Bp. Williamson, Bp. Zendejas, Fr. Voigt, CathInfo, myself, etc.

As such, "Fr. Hewko said X." is no longer a guarantee that "X" is true, since he has proven himself willing to lie, at least in the past few years. Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer and Pablo have been extremely bad influences on him, but in the end the responsibility lies with Fr. Hewko himself. We are each responsible for our own sins. Very sad, but equally very true. 

I have no idea if Fr. Hewko said anything untrue in the above sermon. Just to clarify.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on July 11, 2018, 11:01:55 PM
Congratulations to Father Pagliarani and the SSPX.  Our prayers are with you, Bishop Fellay and The Catholic Church.  

And we pray for the Resistance priests too.  

If it wasn't for Archbishop Lefebvre, there wouldn't be any Latin Mass within any Vatican II Dioceses.  The Concecrations of 1988 helped spread the true Catholic Mass.   

I just came home from Mass.  Things are so complicated.  I get so caught up in Church politics that I neglect to concentrate on my spiritual life of living and spreading the faith.  Yes, Jesus Christ is our Lord and savior. 

Young people need guidance and direction.  It is heartbreaking to know that so many children aren't Baptised and don't know Jesus. 

And to see our families destroyed by modernism and liberalism.  And even atheism.  

I need to put my trust in Jesus and ask our Blessed Mother for help too.  And pray our Rosary.  

We need to reach out to the novus ordo to save souls.  I grew up novus ordo.   I ended being angry , betrayed.  Seeing Archbishop Lefebvre on TV made an impression on me.   The news report was very brief.  (  Of course no one would provide any information and it was before the internet. )

And is disappointing to see so many people in power locally or nationally who call themselves Catholics but really aren't.  

I can only pray for them or mail them letters correcting sins and errors.  

We can only pray that the SSPX will continue to restore all things in Jesus. 







Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on July 11, 2018, 11:17:29 PM
If you are a liberal, you aren't Catholic.  Liberalism is Sin. 

Rosary Crusades will continue.  
And it will be good to fast this Friday on bread and water.  
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: madwoman on July 12, 2018, 12:59:03 PM
I believe that Father Davide Pagliarani, along with his assistants Bishop de Galarreta and Father Christian Bouchacourt, will usher in a new direction for the SSPX.  Bishop Fellay made me very nervous in his wanting the SSPX to get in bed with Rome, so to speak.  I do not believe that will be the case with these three newly elected individuals.  Time will tell.  I will continue to pray. If the SSPX does make a move to "the right" on things, which would be good and I believe will happen in time, then what justification does the resistance have in continuing? If the SSPX does get back on track, what will the resistance priests and the followers do? It would be nice if they could unite and fight the common goal.  I will be watching and listening very intently to see what starts to develop!

My God lead us all in the direction he wants us to go!
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Meg on July 12, 2018, 01:11:28 PM
I believe that Father Davide Pagliarani, along with his assistants Bishop de Galarreta and Father Christian Bouchacourt, will usher in a new direction for the SSPX.  Bishop Fellay made me very nervous in his wanting the SSPX to get in bed with Rome, so to speak.  I do not believe that will be the case with these three newly elected individuals.  Time will tell.  I will continue to pray. If the SSPX does make a move to "the right" on things, which would be good and I believe will happen in time, then what justification does the resistance have in continuing? If the SSPX does get back on track, what will the resistance priests and the followers do? It would be nice if they could unite and fight the common goal.  I will be watching and listening very intently to see what starts to develop!

My God lead us all in the direction he wants us to go!

What direction do you believe the newly elected three will go? Toward what? What indication have any of them given that shows that they will not continue on the path toward reconciliation with Rome? 
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on July 12, 2018, 01:15:01 PM
madwoman,

We'll know they moved to "the right" when +Fellay et al follow their "conscience" and go to Rome, and the resistance brought back to the SSPX.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Matthew on July 12, 2018, 01:19:06 PM
I believe that Father Davide Pagliarani, along with his assistants Bishop de Galarreta and Father Christian Bouchacourt, will usher in a new direction for the SSPX.  Bishop Fellay made me very nervous in his wanting the SSPX to get in bed with Rome, so to speak.  I do not believe that will be the case with these three newly elected individuals.  Time will tell.  I will continue to pray. If the SSPX does make a move to "the right" on things, which would be good and I believe will happen in time, then what justification does the resistance have in continuing? If the SSPX does get back on track, what will the resistance priests and the followers do? It would be nice if they could unite and fight the common goal.  I will be watching and listening very intently to see what starts to develop!

My God lead us all in the direction he wants us to go!

What are you, mad? (I'm joking about your name, of course)

Sure we're all praying as well -- from the pews of our Resistance-affiliated chapels.

Have you read this thread at all? All the evidence, and every indication, is that Fr. Pagliarani is going to pursue the same path as Bp Fellay. You have no reason whatsoever to believe that they will turn anything around. Of course God can do anything, but do you have similar hope for Barack Obama to suddenly become a good Traditional Catholic? Remember, God can do anything.

Humanly speaking, barring a miracle (which is always possible, that goes without saying) I have NO hope for Barack Obama becoming a Trad Catholic, or Fr. Pagliarani turning the SSPX back to +Lefebvre's original position.

Might I remind you, and the others on CathInfo, that +Fellay got to personally select about 30 of the 40 capitulants who elected the new Superior General. Only 1/3 of the members are chosen by seniority (outside the choice of Bp Fellay). The rest are taken from District Superiors, heads of the various Seminaries, etc. which are all posts filled by men of Bp Fellay's choosing!

The idea that we could get an "upset" and get a conservative elected is about as likely as the next conclave (full of Modernists) electing Bishop Williamson the next Pope. (From my mouth to God's ears, I know! hahaha)

Most of your post is garbage, written to justify your core assertion, which is found in the middle: "what justification does the resistance have in continuing".  That is the sentence you can't wait to utter -- which is why you're uttering it with no good reason, way prematurely, etc. I can tell you're no supporter of the Resistance. Where have you been on CathInfo these past 6 years? You seem to know about CathInfo just fine.

I have an intuition or a God-given gift for sizing people up, figuring out their true motives, etc. Human psychology is a hobby of mine.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Matthew on July 12, 2018, 01:20:05 PM
Just so everyone sees it, here is a summary from Fr. Girouard, posted in another thread:

Received today from Fr. Girouard: More reasons to join in the Bread and Water Fast:

Well, not only has the Chapter chosen a liberal as General Superior (Fr. Pagliarani, who is the one who saved Bishop Fellay from criticism at the 2012 Chapter), but they also chose two arch-liberals as his Assistants: 1-Bishop Galaretta, who in his October 2012 conference at Villepreux defended the 2012 Chapter, and went so far as to say that a 50% + 1 votes would be enough in a future Chapter to endorse an agreement with Rome; 2-Fr. Bouchacourt who, as District Superior of Argentina had Cardinal Bergoglio "recognize" the society in that country, and who, as District Superior of France has continually battled and hammered the Resistance.

Bishop Fellay has prepared the way since 1997, and this new set of Superiors seems to have been chosen to implement a soon-to-be announced "recognition" by Rome.

The Chapter ends up one day before the Feast of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and maybe a recognition would be declared, on that day, to be an answer to the Last Rosary Crusade.

One more reason to pray and sacrifice, and to participate in the July 13th day of fast on Bread and Water.

God bless,

Fr. Girouard
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on July 12, 2018, 02:33:14 PM

The Feast of the Immaculate Heart of Mary is August 22nd.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: MaterDominici on July 12, 2018, 03:08:36 PM
You'll know the Resistance has no reason to exist when it's priests are not only welcomed back to the SSPX, but given positions of authority upon their return. If they'd elected a Resistance priest or bishop as their new superior yesterday, we'd know the SSPX was back on track.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 16, 2018, 03:17:03 AM
The Feast of the Immaculate Heart of Mary is August 22nd.
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And July 13th is the Feast of Pope St. Anacletus, martyr.
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One more reason to pray and sacrifice, and to participate in the July 13th day of fast on Bread and Water.

God bless,

Fr. Girouard

Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 16, 2018, 03:25:52 AM
Just so everyone sees it, here is a summary from Fr. Girouard, posted in another thread:

Received today from Fr. Girouard: More reasons to join in the Bread and Water Fast:

Well, not only has the Chapter chosen a liberal as General Superior (Fr. Pagliarani, who is the one who saved Bishop Fellay from criticism at the 2012 Chapter), but they also chose two arch-liberals as his Assistants: 1-Bishop Galarreta, who in his October 2012 conference at Villepreux defended the 2012 Chapter, and went so far as to say that a 50% + 1 votes would be enough in a future Chapter to endorse an agreement with Rome; 2-Fr. Bouchacourt who, as District Superior of Argentina had Cardinal Bergoglio "recognize" the society in that country, and who, as District Superior of France has continually battled and hammered the Resistance.

Bishop Fellay has prepared the way since 1997, and this new set of Superiors seems to have been chosen to implement a soon-to-be announced "recognition" by Rome.

The Chapter ends up one day before the Feast of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and maybe a recognition would be declared, on that day, to be an answer to the Last Rosary Crusade.

One more reason to pray and sacrifice, and to participate in the July 13th day of fast on Bread and Water.

God bless,

Fr. Girouard

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If Fr. Girouard says so it must be true. He's been following these priests for decades. Probably knows them personally.
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Wasn't the "Flying Squirrel" a newsletter put out under the watch of Fr. Bouchacourt stationed in India?
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 16, 2018, 03:39:08 AM
What are you, mad? (I'm joking about your name, of course)

Sure we're all praying as well -- from the pews of our Resistance-affiliated chapels.

Have you read this thread at all? All the evidence, and every indication, is that Fr. Pagliarani is going to pursue the same path as Bp Fellay. You have no reason whatsoever to believe that they will turn anything around. Of course God can do anything, but do you have similar hope for Barack Obama to suddenly become a good Traditional Catholic? Remember, God can do anything.

Humanly speaking, barring a miracle (which is always possible, that goes without saying) I have NO hope for Barack Obama becoming a Trad Catholic, or Fr. Pagliarani turning the SSPX back to +Lefebvre's original position.

Might I remind you, and the others on CathInfo, that +Fellay got to personally select about 30 of the 40 capitulants who elected the new Superior General. Only 1/3 of the members are chosen by seniority (outside the choice of Bp Fellay). The rest are taken from District Superiors, heads of the various Seminaries, etc. which are all posts filled by men of Bp Fellay's choosing!

The idea that we could get an "upset" and get a conservative elected is about as likely as the next conclave (full of Modernists) electing Bishop Williamson the next Pope. (From my mouth to God's ears, I know! hahaha)

Most of your post is garbage, written to justify your core assertion, which is found in the middle: "what justification does the resistance have in continuing".  That is the sentence you can't wait to utter -- which is why you're uttering it with no good reason, way prematurely, etc. I can tell you're no supporter of the Resistance. Where have you been on CathInfo these past 6 years? You seem to know about CathInfo just fine.

I have an intuition or a God-given gift for sizing people up, figuring out their true motives, etc. Human psychology is a hobby of mine.
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Can you even imagine the worldwide HOWLING of the Jєωs if +W were elected Pope? It would go on for YEARS. Oy, veh!
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But the world would instantly be a better place, nonetheless. A better place but with incessantly howling Jєωs!

Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: chrstnoel1 on July 16, 2018, 05:29:58 AM
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If Fr. Girouard says so it must be true. He's been following these priests for decades. Probably knows them personally.
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Wasn't the "Flying Squirrel" a newsletter put out under the watch of Fr. Bouchacourt stationed in India?
Nope, that was 

Fr. Robert Brucciani (https://catholiccandle.neocities.org/priests/sspx-brucciani-promoted-england.html), now District Superior of England.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: AJNC on July 22, 2018, 09:02:09 AM
This  2009 True Restoration piece has been republished by Cor-Mariae and has begun doing the rounds on the net.


https://www.truerestoration.org/interview-with-fr-florian-abrahamowicz-in-paris-english-version/

Interview with Fr. Florian Abrahamowicz in Paris (English Version)
 by Stephen Heiner (https://www.truerestoration.org/author/stephen/) · July 13, 2009
When recently in Paris I was inspired to take advantage of Fr. Abrahamowicz's presence in the same city, while using John Daly, a fellow colleague, as an interlocutor. Find below the complete text of the interview, translated from the original French (http://truerestoration.blogspot.com/2009/07/interview-with-fr-florian-abrahamowicz.html) by Mr. Daly.
 
John Daly, a professional translator of French and Latin, when he is not writing articles about Traditional Catholicism and homeschooling his 8 children with his wife near Bordeaux, France, also runs Tradibooks, a publishing company that specializes in out-of-print Catholic books. You may find his website at www.tradibooks.com.
The interviews also have been translated into Italian (http://forum.politicainrete.net/tradizione-cattolica/612-fraternita-san-pio-x-tra-deriva-e-naufragio-2.html#post303374)and Spanish (http://radiocristiandad.wordpress.com/2009/07/16/padre-abrahamowicz-desobedeci-la-orden-de-mentir-publicamente/), but I am only linking to these pages - I do not know how well the translations have been done nor do I know who runs these sites.
The English version of this interview appeared in the August 2009 Four Marks. For more information, click here (http://thefourmarks.com/).
 


 Stephen Heiner: Father, those of us in America are well-known for not following world news, so we may be unfamiliar with your expulsion from the SSPX. If you'll permit, may we start from the beginning? How did you come to the Traditional Mass, and then, to your vocation?

Fr. Abrahamowicz: I came to the traditional Mass in 1978 at Vienna in Austria. When I was present at the old Mass for the first time I was strongly impressed by the difference between it and the new mass – so much so that at first I didn’t think the old rite could be part of the Catholic religion! Later on, great was my joy as I discovered this treasure, this water, which had been concealed from us by the judaised Mass. I began to know the SSPX in 1976. Ten years later, after three years spent in the Society’s University Institute in Paris, I entered the Flavigny seminary and I was ordained in 1992 at Écône by Bishop Licinio Rangel.
S.H.: How long have you been a priest? How long a Superior? What other roles have you held in the Society?
Fr. A.: I have been a priest since 1992. I was in charge of the apostolate in Albania and of training young Albanians in our pre-seminary in Austria. I taught for three years in our seminary at Zaitzkofen. For the last eleven years I have been in charge of the apostolate in the northeast of Italy, but I have never been a superior.
S.H.: When did you start to have disagreements with Menzingen? Were there other priests who agreed with you? What did they advise?
Fr. A.: My first disagreements with Menzingen began in 2001 when the possibility of a deal with modernist Rome was first raised. At that time I was far from being alone. The prior of Rimini, Fr. Ugo Carandino and Fr. Davide Pagliarani were vehemently opposed to coming to terms with the Rome of the Council. Then there were other priests, seminary directors, professors and priors who opposed these things very explicitly and effectively. Our duty in conscience moved us to declare openly to our superiors that we could not follow in the event of the Society’s cohabiting with the modernist church, governed at the time by John Paul II.
S.H.: What were the disagreements over?
Fr. A. The disagreement was theological, but also entailed pastoral consequences. Modernist Rome does not represent the Catholic Church. There is no call to ask for its acceptance, recognition, understanding, hearing, etc. Our duty is to insist on full catholicity on the part of the person occupying the apostolic see. The idea of playing the role of infiltrators in Modernist Rome so as “later” to convert it “from within” would be a childish illusion. Either the Church is Catholic or it isn’t. The Catholic Church cannot exist inside another church. After all, the Church is not a party or a current of political thought that can be more or less present in other entities.
S.H.: Of your public statements regarding the h0Ɩ0cαųst controversy, what caused the most problems? Why?
Fr. A.: My fellow-priests agreed with all that I said in my interview with the Tribuna de Trevise. But no one imagined the media effect it would produce. So it was the very fact of publicly attacking the Jєωs which made my confreres and superiors tremble and then shook their friendship. Touching the new Messiah, i.e. criticising Zionist policy, is the ultimate lèse-majesté. At present the Vatican is bowing down before the Zionist reign. So the Society, by entering into friendship with Ratzinger’s Vatican ought to sacrifice to the gods. Once the Vatican, by its spokesman Lombardi, had distanced itself from Fr Abrahamowicz, the Society went one better: it expelled its life-member, declaring that the statements made by the expelled priest gravely damaged the Society’s image in the service of the Church. But which church?
S.H.: What about Bishop Williamson? What do you think about what has happened to him?
Fr. A.: Bishop Williamson has not been expelled; he has been dismissed from his position and his observations about the technical aspects of gas chambers were scathingly criticised by his confreres in the priesthood and in the episcopate. He has been reduced to silence by his superior, Mgr Fellay. In order to avoid saying that it is forbidden to touch the new Messiah, the affair has been classified as a “historical question”, falling outside the competence of a bishop. Is that really why he is no longer allowed to exercise his ministry?
 
 S.H.: Some say you are a disobedient troublemaker. How do you respond?

Fr. A.: I reply that everything I have done has been done with the agreement of my superiors. Disobedience – proper and holy disobedience – began when I stayed in my chapel after being expelled “for grave disciplinary reasons”. While not resisting physically I nonetheless stayed in my chapel and continued to say Mass for one month until I was dislodged by violence on the part of my superior. Yes, I disobeyed the order to lie publicly. That would have meant publicly disavowing the truths I had confessed the previous day. The trouble did not come from me but from the way in which the superior general reacted to the media campaign against Bishop Williamson and myself. Instead of protecting and defending his members he disowned them. What a victory for the Vatican which, while well aware of the Williamson interview pretended, and continues to pretend, that it knew nothing of Bishop Williamson’s revisionist opinions!
S.H.: Bp. Williamson tells me he completely disagrees with you regarding the Motu Proprio. Explain, please.
Fr. A.: Bishop Williamson didn’t agree with my judgement of the Motu Proprio. Like Bishop Fellay, he declines to pass a definitive judgement on this measure. In my opinion, the Mass of the Motu Proprio is not the Holy Catholic Mass. Materially the gestures and words are the same, but formally, the rite is situated in the context of a modernist and apostate hierarchy, which makes it illicit to participate in this worship just as it is forbidden to participate in heretical and schismatic rites. Article 1 of the MP states clearly that the authority imposes that the rite publicly expresses the faith of the new mass. This applies independently of who is celebrating the rite. Precisely because it is a rite, a function whose gestures and words have the meaning established for them by the legislator. We are therefore in the presence of an old rite with a new faith, a bastard rite like that of the new mass. Bishop Williamson follows Bishop Fellay in refusing to make a judgement on the MP Mass. But in the order of facts, the reaction was the chanting of the Te Deum.
S.H.: What will you do now?
Fr. A.: I am now staying at the service of the faithful who do not wish to abandon the combat of tradition and who intend to do this by remaining faithful to Archbishop Lefebvre’s last arrangements: no discussions with Modernist Rome. It is a puerile illusion to believe that Rome can be converted “from within” by becoming a part of the system of the conciliar church. We simply have to continue sanctifying ourselves. That is what I want to do in the small space I have rented and which I have called “Domus Marcel Lefebvre” (Via Pietro Nenni,6, 31038 PAESE (TV) Italy). Holy Mass every Sunday, catechism, instruction, etc. Apart from that, to complement the gifts of the faithful, I am looking for openings in translation and interpreting work.
 
 S.H.: What do you think will happen to the SSPX? To the priests? To the faithful?

Fr. A.: I don’t know the future, but the present is before our eyes. The SSPX sang a Te Deum for the MP; it expressed its gratitude for the false withdrawal of the excommunications which had never existed; it expressed trust in Ratzinger who, today is even more a “serpent” than in the days when Archbishop Lefebvre so called him. All this is bringing the Society to the absurd situation of the Society of St Peter, of Le Barroux, etc. Admittedly this treason has not taken juridical shape. The paper has not been signed. But, alas!, de facto the betrayal has occurred. The proof is that what I learnt in the seminary and taught in the seminary and in sermons for eleven years here in Italy has been stated by my superior (in the press release announcing my expulsion) to be contrary to the Society’s position. I want to remain faithful to the teachings I received at the seminary, which I am sure are Catholic doctrine.
S.H.: Bishop Tissier de Mallerais recently wrote in response to a query from a priest: “I freely admit that a priest or that the faithful may have doubts about the validity of a pope such as John-Paul II or Benedict XVI...” Are you also happy about such doubts? Do you share them? Are your personal convictions close to those who do not recognize Benedict XVI as a legitimate pope? What do you think of the position known as sedevacantism?
 

 Fr. A.: I am very happy to reply to this question in the same terms I have used on our site
 http://www.agerecontra.it/ (http://www.agerecontra.it/).
When others accuse me or try to demonise me as being a sedevacantist, I reply that I refuse to call myself a sedevacantist, not because I am a “papist” in the sense of those who, while admitting that Benedict XVI is not Catholic, still affirm that he is pope. I insist on offering the following reflection and leaving the reader to reach his own conclusions.
When Archbishop Lefebvre declared, at the conclusion and the end of his life, and therefore after long maturing his attitude towards that Rome which he was seeking right up until the consecrations, “the official Church does not represent the Catholic Church. (...) It is a puerile illusion to want to become part of it in order to convert it from within,” it seems to me that the problem he proposes goes far beyond that of the simple “sedes vacans”.
The vacant see in the sense of the pope who by virtue of heresy ceases to be pope, was considered by the the theologians in the context of a Church which is normally Catholic. But today the problem – mysterious and apocalyptic – is different. Along with the “pope”, it is the orbis catholicus which no longer professes the Catholic faith, the body of bishops who are no longer Catholic, the faithful – even those who are in good faith – who are no longer Catholics. Ought we not therefore to understand that the problem today is therefore greater than that of the heretical pope? Perhaps this is one of the reasons why Archbishop Lefebvre dismissed the sedevacantist solution as “too simple”: the issue is much more complex. Then there is the fact that Josef Ratzinger, whether or not he is pope, is reigning in the Vatican – occupying it, usurping it, if you wish – but he is there, and the great mass of so-called Catholics find that acceptable.
How are we to get through to them that he is not Catholic? How are we to get them to understand that they themselves are no longer Catholics? This may be the reason why Archbishop Lefebvre – finding himself up against such a tough problem – chose in all simplicity to content himself with building : schools, families and Catholic priests, denouncing openly the apostasy in tiara and cope and leaving history to judge definitively the “popes” whom he doubted to be popes and who, today, seem really to give every sign of no longer being so. Has the Society, today, still got the credibility to affirm such truths?
Have not diplomacy and politics in the “disservice” of the combat of tradition made the salt lose its savour? God in his omnipotence can raise up other heralds of the faith. Perhaps some bishop who has been long since dreaming of converting from the oriental schism and heresy to Catholicism? Some precursor of the conversion of Russia? It is very important to admit the highly mysterious character of the present situation without seeking to rationalise the mystery of the general apostasy. Hence, beyond the See, it is the Church that is in a certain sense vacant while nonetheless remaining visible in her humanity and in her divinity wherever the faith is professed without compromise in fact with Modernist Rome.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Centroamerica on July 22, 2018, 10:30:44 PM
Thanks AJNC.

I had pointed this out to a friend. Fr. Abrahamowicz is a great priest from Italy who publicly burned the books of Vatican 2 in a ceremony here    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhcW_fV6JEg

He was part of the Italian district and was under Fr. Pagliarani and had no problems with him. He was able to act freely in the SSPX and even openly leaning sedevacantist under Fr. Pagliarani, from what I understand. From what I understand, Fr. Abrahamowicz also supports Bishop Williamson.

As for Fr. Pagliarani, much could be said about his recent trip to Brazil a month or so ago but last time I brought up Fr. Pagliarani's defense by resistance priests I was accused of spreading rumors.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Incredulous on July 23, 2018, 06:44:17 AM
I believe that Father Davide Pagliarani, along with his assistants Bishop de Galarreta and Father Christian Bouchacourt, will usher in a new direction for the SSPX.  Bishop Fellay made me very nervous in his wanting the SSPX to get in bed with Rome, so to speak.  I do not believe that will be the case with these three newly elected individuals.  Time will tell.  I will continue to pray. If the SSPX does make a move to "the right" on things, which would be good and I believe will happen in time, then what justification does the resistance have in continuing? If the SSPX does get back on track, what will the resistance priests and the followers do? It would be nice if they could unite and fight the common goal.  I will be watching and listening very intently to see what starts to develop!

My God lead us all in the direction he wants us to go!

I liken the SSPX's new governing structure to a Communist politburo standing committee.

(https://cdn.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/china_congress_onpage.jpg)

What fools do Fellay, Krah and their "Menzingen brotherhood" take us for ?

Every year, the SSPX has shown increasing, cuмulative signs of judaic-masonic infiltration.
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 23, 2018, 10:57:26 AM
Thanks AJNC.

I had pointed this out to a friend. Fr. Abrahamowicz is a great priest from Italy who publicly burned the books of Vatican 2 in a ceremony here    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhcW_fV6JEg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhcW_fV6JEg

He was part of the Italian district and was under Fr. Pagliarani and had no problems with him. He was able to act freely in the SSPX and even openly leaning sedevacantist under Fr. Pagliarani, from what I understand. From what I understand, Fr. Abrahamowicz also supports Bishop Williamson.

As for Fr. Pagliarani, much could be said about his recent trip to Brazil a month or so ago but last time I brought up Fr. Pagliarani's defense by resistance priests I was accused of spreading rumors.
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I improved your link above, Centroamerica, so it shows the embedded video.
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It has been published 11 months but only 4 Comments and 423 views and 10 likes and 7 dislikes as I type this.
Here are all the Comments:
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4 Comments

(https://yt3.ggpht.com/-MemCUrkg8rA/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/tOKgz4tG2XU/s48-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/user/greatpretender83)
Justin Naoki  9 months ago
SSPX

(https://yt3.ggpht.com/-6C_5XKExSd0/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/qviEr486gvg/s48-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOi7-UCIM3gwyIGGDQ2-7VQ)
Geopolik   9 months ago
brave one.... Why is this church slummering like this.... Why so much lefties in this church.... Why doesn't the clergy dare to say that there is no salvation out of this church.

(https://yt3.ggpht.com/-3Mik5azYXEY/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/IEGo3u72tF0/s48-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQif4VJvC29rpiYlK49EKPg)
Rafael Mariae Hernandez  9 months ago
Because many of them are Modernists, I have read all the docuмents of the Vatican Council II and these contain Heresies previously condemned by different Popes. The problem is that many Priests, Bishops and Cardinals have the fear of publicly condemning these Heresies because the Modernists would put pressure on them.

(https://yt3.ggpht.com/-6C_5XKExSd0/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/qviEr486gvg/s48-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOi7-UCIM3gwyIGGDQ2-7VQ)
Geopolik  9 months ago
Rafael Mariae Hernandez But the most dissapointing thing is that even the present pope has said that atheists will go to heaven... this upsets me... Only faithful can defend the heresies of the clergy in our Chuch. Hail catholicism


Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 23, 2018, 11:20:20 AM
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The video embedded above is of very poor quality. The audio is in Italian so I need to read the subtitles, but they're really blurry.
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I tried enlarging the screen and that helps, so here is my transcript for you of the subtitles so you can read them too:
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We rejected the council by renouncing Satan and his linked Vatican Council II.
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He read the Anti-Modernist oath and then at the end of Mass, he threw the text of the Vatican Council II in the flames, an unprecedented gesture, among the controversial points of the council is the relationship with the other religious confessions.
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Accepting equality with these other religions and declaring all religions are means of salvation more or less but still means of salvation is what Jesus Christ never taught.
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The second gesture of Don Floriano would have been the approval of a Catholic Bishop whose name is not revealed.
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I received the approval of a Bishop who is pleased this text of the council was thrown into the flames.
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(https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https%3A%2F%2Falchetron.com%2Fcdn%2Fflorian-abrahamowicz-20272adb-5b8a-41a5-81c3-3cef97a4257-resize-750.jpg&sp=9dfd56ec9afabd8498e9ea61c9ed6a0f)                  
Don Floriano Abrahamowicz                 
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While the text literally says the Bishop is not identified, it would seem to me that Fr. Floriano Abrahamowicz is presented by Centroamerica as being a supporter of Bishop Williamson, and therefore it's not much of a stretch to say the unnamed bishop is very likely our own Bishop Richard Williamson.
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What other Bishop would be unafraid to go on record saying he is pleased to know that a Vat.II text was thrown into the fire?
I can't think of one. Bishop Mark Pivarunas, for example, doesn't actively promote EENS and believes that BoD and BoB are quote "defined dogmas of the Faith," therefore he renders the Sacraments unnecessary for salvation which is a direct insult against the REAL dogma of the Faith, EENS. Bishop Williamson would never do that, it seems to me.
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Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: Centroamerica on July 23, 2018, 11:40:40 AM
Fr. Abrahamowicz has an interesting Wikipedia page. Again, he has had a good relationship with Fr. Pagliarani from what I know. Argentina and Brazil is all I can say. 
Title: Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
Post by: cathman7 on July 23, 2018, 01:29:26 PM
Fr. Abrahamowicz has an interesting Wikipedia page. Again, he has had a good relationship with Fr. Pagliarani from what I know. Argentina and Brazil is all I can say.
He certainly does! 
Early life and ordination
Florian Abrahamowicz was born in Vienna (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna), where his father, Alexander Abrahamowicz (born 10 September 1926), was a Protestant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism) pastor of Jєωιѕн (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jєωs) background.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florian_Abrahamowicz#cite_note-1) Alexander's father, Jakob, had moved to Vienna from Pojorâta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pojor%C3%A2ta) in Romania before Alexander's birth.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florian_Abrahamowicz#cite_note-2)
Several members of that family, residents of Siret (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siret), Romania, were murdered during the h0Ɩ0cαųst (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/h0Ɩ0cαųst).[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florian_Abrahamowicz#cite_note-3) Because of his mother, Maria Teresa Amantea, an Italian pianist, Florian Abrahamowicz also has Italian citizenship.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florian_Abrahamowicz#cite_note-Messaggero-4)
Florian is one of five siblings, three of whom became Roman Catholic priests.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florian_Abrahamowicz#cite_note-5) The other two priests are not linked with the Society of St. Pius X or any traditionalist groups. One, Dom Johannes Paul Abrahamowicz, was Prior (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior)(underabbot) of the Benedictine Abbey of Saint Paul Outside the Walls (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Paul_Outside_the_Walls) from 2005 to 2009. He was webmaster of the ATLAS of the Benedictine Order OSB International (https://web.archive.org/web/20080704171611/http://osb-international.info/) until January 2008. At Saint Paul outside the Walls, he composed the official hymn of the Pauline (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle) Year,[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florian_Abrahamowicz#cite_note-6) and gave interviews on ecuмenical (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecuмenism) aspects of the Year.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florian_Abrahamowicz#cite_note-7)[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florian_Abrahamowicz#cite_note-8) In December 2009, he returned to his monastery in Austria.
An aunt, Elfriede Huber-Abrahamowicz (1922–2001), wrote poetry, stories, novels and philosophical treatises and lectured on the philosophy of feminism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism) in Zürich (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich).[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florian_Abrahamowicz#cite_note-9)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florian_Abrahamowicz