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New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
« on: July 11, 2018, 12:24:13 PM »
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    Election of the Superior General

    On July 11, 2018, Father Davide Pagliarani was elected Superior General, for a mandate of 12 years, by the 4th General Chapter of the Society of Saint Pius X.
    The new Superior General is 47 years old and is of Italian nationality. He received the sacrament of Holy Orders from the hands of Bishop Bernard Fellay in 1996. He exercised his apostolate in Rimini (Italy), then in Singapore, before being appointed Superior of the District of Italy. Since 2012, he was Rector of Our Lady Co-Redemptrix Seminary of La Reja (Argentina).
    After accepting his office, the elected pronounced the Profession of Faith and took the Anti-Modernist Oath at the seminary church. Then, each of the members present came before him to promise their respect and obedience, before singing the Te Deum in thanksgiving.
    The 41 capitulants will proceed tomorrow with the election of the two Assistants General, for the same mandate of 12 years. The Chapter will continue until July 21st  at the Seminary of St. Pius X of Ecône (Switzerland)
    Ecône, July 11, 2018
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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #1 on: July 11, 2018, 12:31:45 PM »
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    • Is this positive or not?
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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #2 on: July 11, 2018, 12:43:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: jman123 on July 11, 2018, 12:31:45 PM
    Is this positive or not?
    Well he’s exactly the same as Bishop Fellay. 
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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #3 on: July 11, 2018, 12:50:25 PM »
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    • Is it a usual thing to elect the superior general on the first day of the chapter? It seems a bit hasty.

    At least it's not Bishop Fellay, who intentionally took the Society in a new direction, away from the direction of +ABL. The new guy is just a follower, it seems. I don't know that much about him.
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #4 on: July 11, 2018, 12:55:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on July 11, 2018, 12:50:25 PM
    Is it a usual thing to elect the superior general on the first day of the chapter? It seems a bit hasty.

    At least it's not Bishop Fellay, who intentionally took the Society in a new direction, away from the direction of +ABL. The new guy is just a follower, it seems. I don't know that much about him.
    He’s the guy that yelled down de Jorna when he proposed going back to +ABL’s position. 
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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #5 on: July 11, 2018, 01:01:06 PM »
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    • Mega Fin. That is a timely reminder of the character of the new SG. Clearly he is a company man and will do the bidding of Bishop Fellay who will probably set up himself as a special envoy between Rome and Menzingen after all his 'experience'. 

    He may come across to many as more middle of the road, but who is worse Benedict XVI or Francis. Benedict managed to cloak his modernism and liberalism and look conservative but underneath there is little difference. I am sure it will be the same with Fr P. The first reaction will be thank God that Bishop Fellay has gone so Fr P will consequently get a honeymoon period but is unlikely to stop the drift of the XSPX. They have been compromising for too many years now.
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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #6 on: July 11, 2018, 01:07:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mega-fin on July 11, 2018, 12:43:55 PM
    Well he’s exactly the same as Bishop Fellay.

    From an interview given when Fr. Pagliarani was the SSPX District Superior of Italy (2011):

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    If we do not arrive at some canonical regularization, that simply means that the hierarchy is not yet sufficiently convinced of the urgent need for that contribution. In that case we will have to wait a few more years, hoping for an increase in that awareness, which could occur along with and parallel to the acceleration in the process of the Church’s self-destruction.




    Full interview here
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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #7 on: July 11, 2018, 01:15:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cantarella on July 11, 2018, 01:07:40 PM
    From an interview given when Fr. Pagliarani was the SSPX District Superior of Italy (2011):




    Full interview here
    Just more double speak. No more need for Rome to convert. Continue to put the Archbishop on the shelf and pretend that 1988-91 never happened, that he kept the same position. Ignore everything else, we must sign! The injustice is the “irregularity”
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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #8 on: July 11, 2018, 01:16:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mega-fin on July 11, 2018, 12:43:55 PM
    Well he’s exactly the same as Bishop Fellay.

    Except that he's not Bp. Fellay. He will likely continue on the current path of the SSPX, and take direction from Bp. Fellay.

    But it was Bp. Fellay who wanted to implement the bizarre policies and beliefs of that crazy seer, the late Madame Rossinierre/Cornaz, into the Society, which would require reconciling with Rome. Who in his right Catholic mind would want to do such a thing? 

    I don't expect that much will change in the SSPX, but no one could be as bad for the Society as Bp. Fellay.
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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #9 on: July 11, 2018, 01:17:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on July 11, 2018, 12:50:25 PM
    Is it a usual thing to elect the superior general on the first day of the chapter? It seems a bit hasty.
    Bishop Williamson recently suggested that lobbying for the new Superior General might decide the matter in advance, and the speed with which this election took place will surely lend itself to such suspicions.
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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #10 on: July 11, 2018, 01:27:34 PM »
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    • Leadership is normally the first priority for a periodic meeting such as this. You want discussion of the other items of concern to be led by the INCOMING leadership, not the ongoing.

    It's also not usually a surprise -- at least to those who get a vote -- as to who the new leader is going to be.
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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #11 on: July 11, 2018, 01:30:00 PM »
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    • Who is Fr. Pagliarani:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/bishop-fellay-bombarded-in-his-bunker-at-the-chapter/

    “Conclusion.

    This statement is profoundly  ambiguous and sins by omission against the clear and distinct denunciation of the principal errors that are still rampant within the Church and destroy the faith of Catholics . This statement, as it stands, suggests that we accept the premise of the "hermeneutic of continuity ." Such a docuмent, if it were the principle of an agreement, would make such an agreement equivocal from the start and would favour any subsequent drifting away [from our original positions]. (here ends Fr de Jorna's text)

    After Fr de Jorna’s presentation, Father Pagliarani (Rector of the Argentinian seminary at La Reja) rose and broke the silence in favour of Bishop Fellay in these terms :

    "Dear colleagues! We are surely not going to give a slap in the face to our superior by demanding a retraction from him! This will be done implicitly in the Final Declaration of the Chapter."  

    Then they went on to another topic ... The case was closed.

    The “resistants” were out-manoeuvred. They could not move on to the next phase which would have been the call for Bishop Fellay’s resignation.  The Chapter participants were led to believe that the Declaration was withdrawn with an implicit disapproval of its author. Bishop Tissier was deceived like the others. In a letter, dated 29 March 2013, he said it was "tacitly concluded that there was no need to dwell on this subject, as it was obvious that the Superior General regretted his “faux pas” and was resolved not to do it again."(Official Bulletin of the French District [destined for priests] No. 251, Annex to the Circular Letter No. 2013-04)

    The Chapter concluded that Bishop Fellay had understood the intrinsic evil of the Declaration and that he tacitly disapproved of his thoughts.

    However, since the Chapter, Bishop Fellay has continued to defend the contents of his statement. To do this, he has abused the oath of the Chapter. Bishop Fellay thought that, since the members had promised to remain silent, no one would dare to contradict the official version of the General House.

    This “official version” presents the doctrinal statement as a "minimalist text which could lead to confusion among us" ( Bishop Fellay , Cor Unum 102); or, a " sufficiently clear text " ( Bishop Fellay, Écône , 7 September 2012) . A doctrinal statement in which "any ambiguity was avoided on our judgment of the Council, including the famous hermeneutic of continuity. A Declaration which "was not understood by many prominent members of the Society, who saw ambiguity or a rallying to the thesis of the hermeneutic of continuity." ( Bishop Fellay , Cor unum 104, Note on the doctrinal statement of 15 April 2012).

    If Bishop Fellay considered his text to be unambiguous, why did he not answer the presentation of Fr de Jorna ? Why didn’t he help, during the Chapter, the "prominent members of the Society” to understand his statement? Why allow Fr Pagliarani to spring to his defence in order to prevent “a slap in the face" and to focus on "an implicit withdrawal," and afterwards to claim that his statement was too subtle, no longer useful but basically sound.“
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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #12 on: July 11, 2018, 01:43:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on July 11, 2018, 01:16:17 PM
    Except that he's not Bp. Fellay. He will likely continue on the current path of the SSPX, and take direction from Bp. Fellay.

    But it was Bp. Fellay who wanted to implement the bizarre policies and beliefs of that crazy seer, the late Madame Rossinierre/Cornaz, into the Society, which would require reconciling with Rome. Who in his right Catholic mind would want to do such a thing?

    I don't expect that much will change in the SSPX, but no one could be as bad for the Society as Bp. Fellay.
    I’ve never heard of this seer, do you have more info?
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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #13 on: July 11, 2018, 01:58:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mega-fin on July 11, 2018, 01:43:23 PM
    I’ve never heard of this seer, do you have more info?

    Here's a link to the Cath Info discussion on the subject from two years ago. The OP gives a good overview, and there are also links in the OP to more info/articles on the Non Possumus blog.

    https://cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/bp-fellays-own-private-seer/
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    Re: New Superior General: Father Davide Pagliarani
    « Reply #14 on: July 11, 2018, 02:13:45 PM »
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    • Rorate Caeli report that Bishop de Galarreta will be the first Assistant and Fr. Bouchacourt the Second Assistant of the FSSPX governing body.
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