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Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: SeanJohnson on June 09, 2013, 07:28:00 AM
Ok guys -- this is clearly a TEMPORARY or WORK-IN-PROGRESS site, not intended for public consumption:

http://usa.acc.eu.fsspx.net

The fact that they have Catholic or Tradition-themed things is rather strange -- it reminds me of something I might have done a LONG time ago, when I wasn't as mature :)

It's certainly not professional. Whatever web design company they hired is indulging their sense of humor, which they shouldn't be.

When you see default images and articles (Smurfs, movies, etc.) that actually makes sense -- those are default articles that come with the software. That is fully professional -- the site is being worked on. End of story.

I can't believe how many people are taking this seriously. Maybe they leaked this site on purpose, to see if any Resistance members would fall for the bait, and attack/distract themselves with something fake.

Have you ever heard Fr. Rostand, Fr. Rutledge, Fr. Themann, or Bishop Fellay talk about "baseless rumors"? Don't fall for it, guys!  It will make the Resistance look bad.

With that in mind, I'm locking this thread (and any others like it).


http://usa.acc.eu.fsspx.net/en/media/photos/im-going-europe-day-i-graduate-93
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: SeanJohnson on June 09, 2013, 07:33:36 AM
A friend writes:


"Evidently Catholicism is now, "the religion most in harmony with objective truth and God’s plan for the universe."

http://www.sspx.org/en/about/major-concerns/religious-liberty

(Sean's comment: Subsistit, Dominus Iesus, and Lumen Gentium prevail; the implication being other false religions are less perfectly in harmony, rather than opposed to Gods plan?)


Not to mention we now respect the dignity of the human person (as is all over the USCCB website)


And sin no longer exists:
"to choose what is objectively evil and contrary to God’s will is an abuse."....no longer a sin I guess because that must be too harsh of a word....only abuse...

http://www.sspx.org/en/about/major-concerns/religious-liberty"
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: SeanJohnson on June 09, 2013, 07:49:05 AM
Excerpt from Letter #63:


The day will come, we are sure and certain, when Rome will come back to Rome’s own Tradition and restore it to its rightful place, and we long with all our hearts for that blessed day. For the time being, however, things are not yet at that point, and to foster illusions would be deadly for the SSPX, as we can see, when we follow the turn of events in Campos. For this purpose, let us emphasize two points in the evolution of the Campos situation: firstly, how their attitude to Rome has changed since the agreement and secondly, how Campos is moving further and further away from ourselves, with all the upset that that implies.

Changes in Campos
Campos, through its leader, Bishop Rifan, is crying out for all to hear that nothing has changed, that the priests of the Apostolic Administration are just as Traditional as before, which is the essence of what they have been granted, and why they accepted Rome’s offer: because Rome approved of the Traditional position.

For our part, let us begin by noting that we are well aware that in any disagreement one tends to discredit one’s adversary. For instance in the case of our former friends in Campos, there are certainly false rumors circulating to the effect that “Bishop Rifan has concelebrated the New Mass”, or, “Campos has completely given up Tradition”. However, that being said, here is what we observe:

2. The ambiguity implicit here has become more or less normal in the new situation in which they find themselves: they emphasize those points in the present pontificate which seem favourable to Tradition, and tip-toe past the rest. Say what we will: there took place in Campos on January 18, 2002, not only a one-sided recognition of Campos by Rome, as some claim, but also, in exchange, an undertaking by Campos to keep quiet. And how could it be otherwise? It is clear by now that Campos has something to lose which they are afraid or losing, and so in order not to lose it they have chosen the path of compromise: “We Brazilians are men of peace, you Frenchmen are always fighting”. Which means that, in order to keep the peace with Rome, one must stop fighting. They no longer see the situation of the Church as a whole, they content themselves with Rome’s gesture in favour of a little group of two dozen priests and say that there is no longer any emergency in the Church because the granting of a Traditional bishop has created a new juridical situation…They are forgetting the wood for a single tree.

4. Within this way of thinking even the Novus Ordo Mass can be accommodated. Campos forgets the 62 reasons for having nothing to do with it, Campos now finds that if it is properly celebrated, it is valid (which we have never denied, but that is not the point). Campos no longer says that Catholics must stay away because the New Mass is bad, and dangerous. Bishop Rifan says, by way of justifying his position on the Mass: “So we reject all use of the Traditional Mass as a battle-flag to insult and fight the lawfully constituted hierarchical authority of the Church. We stay with the Traditional Mass, not out of any spirit of contradiction, but as a clear and lawful expression of our Catholic Faith!”. We are reminded of the words of a Cardinal a little while back: “Whereas the SSPX is FOR the old Mass, the Fraternity of Saint Peter Is AGAINST the New Mass. It’s not the same thing”. That was Rome’s argument to justify taking action against Fr. Bisig of the Fraternity of Saint Peter at about the same time that Rome was cozying up to the SSPX. The Cardinal’s curious distinction is now being put into practice by Campos, as they pretend to be for the old Mass but not against the new. Likewise for Tradition, but not against today’s Rome. “We maintain that Vatican II cannot contradict Catholic Tradition”, said Bishop Rifan quite recently to a French magazine, Famille Chr

étienne. Yet a well-known Cardinal said that Vatican II was the French Revolution inside the Church. Bishop de Castro Mayer said the same thing….

So little by little the will to fight grows weaker and finally one gets used to the situation. In Campos itself, everything positively traditional is being maintained, for sure, so the people see nothing different, except that the more perceptive amongst them notice the priests’ tendency to speak respectfully and more often of recent statements and events coming out of Rome, while yesterday’s warnings and today’s deviations are left out. The great danger here is that in the end one gets used to the situation as it is, and no longer tries to remedy it. For our part we have no intention of launching out until we are certain that Rome means to maintain Tradition. We need signs that they have converted.

Leaving the SSPX behind
Besides this wholly foreseeable evolution of minds by which the Campos priests have, whatever they say, given up the fight, we must note another occurrence, the increasing hostility between us. Bishop Rifan still says that he wants to be our friend, but some Campos priests are already accusing us of being schismatic because we refuse their agreement with Rome.


A little like one sees a boat pushing into mid-river, drifting down-stream and leaving the bank behind, so we see, little by little, several indications of the distance growing between ourselves and Campos. We had warned them of the great danger, they chose not to listen. Since they have no wish to row up-stream, then even while inside the boat things carry on as before, which gives them the impression that nothing has changed, nevertheless they are leaving us behind, as they show themselves more and more attached to the magisterium of today, as opposed to the position they held until recently and which we still hold, namely a sane criticism of the present in the light of the past.

To sum up, we are bound to say that the Campos priests, despite their claims to the contrary, are slowly being re-molded, following the lead of their new bishop, in the spirit of the Council. That is all Rome wants – for the moment.


To guarantee our future, we must obtain from today’s Rome clear proof of its attachment to the Rome of yesterday. When the Roman authorities have restated with actions speaking louder than words that “There must be no innovations outside of Tradition”, then “we” shall no longer be a problem. And we beg God to hasten that day when the whole Church will flourish again, having re-discovered the secret of her past strength, freed from the modern unthought of which Paul VI said that “It is anti-Catholic in nature, Maybe it will prevail. It will never be the Church. There will have to be a faithful remnant, however tiny”.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: MyrnaM on June 09, 2013, 07:49:09 AM
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And sin no longer exists:
 "to choose what is objectively evil and contrary to God’s will is an abuse."....no longer a sin I guess because that must be too harsh of a word....only abuse...


Or just a disease!
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Ethelred on June 09, 2013, 07:51:35 AM
Very modern. Funny pictures there if you click the quoted New Neo-SSPX website link.

It's only test-pictures, of course. Still saying a lot about who the Neo-SSPX is working with now. Krah modernists.

Here are the pictures copied to another place, before the Neo-SSPX's webmaster takes them away (right-click on them and then click Firefox menu "show picture" to see them in full size and glory) :


(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6379/43527996.jpg)
                                                               
                                                               
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2015/82355823.jpg)
                                                               
                                                               
(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7519/36686312.jpg)



- 1st picture has written on it: "All connected".

- 3rd picture has written on it: "The hills are filled with the sound of music" ...ahm... "In the Jungle of Sounds. Find your Temple of Music. Find Audiojungle."


Now that's deep. That's catholic ... in the sense of globalist.
The Neo-SSPX is welcomed by the New World Order now.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: bowler on June 09, 2013, 08:11:23 AM
Quote from: SeanJohnson
Excerpt from Letter #63:


The day will come, we are sure and certain, when Rome will come back to Rome’s own Tradition and restore it to its rightful place, and we long with all our hearts for that blessed day. For the time being, however, things are not yet at that point, and to foster illusions would be deadly for the SSPX, as we can see, when we follow the turn of events in Campos. For this purpose, let us emphasize two points in the evolution of the Campos situation: firstly, how their attitude to Rome has changed since the agreement and secondly, how Campos is moving further and further away from ourselves, with all the upset that that implies.

Changes in Campos
Campos, through its leader, Bishop Rifan, is crying out for all to hear that nothing has changed, that the priests of the Apostolic Administration are just as Traditional as before, which is the essence of what they have been granted, and why they accepted Rome’s offer: because Rome approved of the Traditional position.

For our part, let us begin by noting that we are well aware that in any disagreement one tends to discredit one’s adversary. For instance in the case of our former friends in Campos, there are certainly false rumors circulating to the effect that “Bishop Rifan has concelebrated the New Mass”, or, “Campos has completely given up Tradition”. However, that being said, here is what we observe:

2. The ambiguity implicit here has become more or less normal in the new situation in which they find themselves: they emphasize those points in the present pontificate which seem favourable to Tradition, and tip-toe past the rest. Say what we will: there took place in Campos on January 18, 2002, not only a one-sided recognition of Campos by Rome, as some claim, but also, in exchange, an undertaking by Campos to keep quiet. And how could it be otherwise? It is clear by now that Campos has something to lose which they are afraid or losing, and so in order not to lose it they have chosen the path of compromise: “We Brazilians are men of peace, you Frenchmen are always fighting”. Which means that, in order to keep the peace with Rome, one must stop fighting. They no longer see the situation of the Church as a whole, they content themselves with Rome’s gesture in favour of a little group of two dozen priests and say that there is no longer any emergency in the Church because the granting of a Traditional bishop has created a new juridical situation…They are forgetting the wood for a single tree.

4. Within this way of thinking even the Novus Ordo Mass can be accommodated. Campos forgets the 62 reasons for having nothing to do with it, Campos now finds that if it is properly celebrated, it is valid (which we have never denied, but that is not the point). Campos no longer says that Catholics must stay away because the New Mass is bad, and dangerous. Bishop Rifan says, by way of justifying his position on the Mass: “So we reject all use of the Traditional Mass as a battle-flag to insult and fight the lawfully constituted hierarchical authority of the Church. We stay with the Traditional Mass, not out of any spirit of contradiction, but as a clear and lawful expression of our Catholic Faith!”. We are reminded of the words of a Cardinal a little while back: “Whereas the SSPX is FOR the old Mass, the Fraternity of Saint Peter Is AGAINST the New Mass. It’s not the same thing”. That was Rome’s argument to justify taking action against Fr. Bisig of the Fraternity of Saint Peter at about the same time that Rome was cozying up to the SSPX. The Cardinal’s curious distinction is now being put into practice by Campos, as they pretend to be for the old Mass but not against the new. Likewise for Tradition, but not against today’s Rome. “We maintain that Vatican II cannot contradict Catholic Tradition”, said Bishop Rifan quite recently to a French magazine, Famille Chr

étienne. Yet a well-known Cardinal said that Vatican II was the French Revolution inside the Church. Bishop de Castro Mayer said the same thing….

So little by little the will to fight grows weaker and finally one gets used to the situation. In Campos itself, everything positively traditional is being maintained, for sure, so the people see nothing different, except that the more perceptive amongst them notice the priests’ tendency to speak respectfully and more often of recent statements and events coming out of Rome, while yesterday’s warnings and today’s deviations are left out. The great danger here is that in the end one gets used to the situation as it is, and no longer tries to remedy it. For our part we have no intention of launching out until we are certain that Rome means to maintain Tradition. We need signs that they have converted.

Leaving the SSPX behind
Besides this wholly foreseeable evolution of minds by which the Campos priests have, whatever they say, given up the fight, we must note another occurrence, the increasing hostility between us. Bishop Rifan still says that he wants to be our friend, but some Campos priests are already accusing us of being schismatic because we refuse their agreement with Rome.


A little like one sees a boat pushing into mid-river, drifting down-stream and leaving the bank behind, so we see, little by little, several indications of the distance growing between ourselves and Campos. We had warned them of the great danger, they chose not to listen. Since they have no wish to row up-stream, then even while inside the boat things carry on as before, which gives them the impression that nothing has changed, nevertheless they are leaving us behind, as they show themselves more and more attached to the magisterium of today, as opposed to the position they held until recently and which we still hold, namely a sane criticism of the present in the light of the past.

To sum up, we are bound to say that the Campos priests, despite their claims to the contrary, are slowly being re-molded, following the lead of their new bishop, in the spirit of the Council. That is all Rome wants – for the moment.


To guarantee our future, we must obtain from today’s Rome clear proof of its attachment to the Rome of yesterday. When the Roman authorities have restated with actions speaking louder than words that “There must be no innovations outside of Tradition”, then “we” shall no longer be a problem. And we beg God to hasten that day when the whole Church will flourish again, having re-discovered the secret of her past strength, freed from the modern unthought of which Paul VI said that “It is anti-Catholic in nature, Maybe it will prevail. It will never be the Church. There will have to be a faithful remnant, however tiny”.


It'd be interesting to take this letter and re-write it, changing Rifan and Campos to Fellay and the Neo-SSPX, and give it to people. After they complain, then tell them where the letter came from, and that it is their future staring them in the face.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: lefebvre_fan on June 09, 2013, 08:32:27 AM
Personally, I appreciate the ads for Mr. Popper's Penguins and Rise of the Planet of the Apes. I mean, who needs Catholic Truth when we can watch yet another forgettable Jim Carrey movie featuring cute critters? This time with PENGUINS!!!
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Frances on June 09, 2013, 09:52:02 AM
The middle picture brings back memories.  1- of a Jefferson Airplane concert I attended against my parents' direct order to keep away.  Just about everyone was stoned on pot and acid.  I arrived sober but left high as a kite.  2- of a Pentecostal session of "singing in the spirit." There were no drugs involved, just mass hysteria directed by a very charismatic heretic who was later exposed as a thief, fraud, and womanizer.  To whom is the SSPX trying to appeal?  Aging baby-boomers?  Why not?  That's who anyone with something for sale appeals to nowadays.  (Seen any network TV commercials lately?)  That is who has the $$$$$$$.  What do these pop-art pictures have to do with Jesus Christ?  The Blessed Virgin Mary?  Would she have hung any of these in the Holy House?  God help us, because the SSPX is no longer doing so!
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Mithrandylan on June 09, 2013, 10:10:35 AM
Quote from: SeanJohnson
A friend writes:


"Evidently Catholicism is now, "the religion most in harmony with objective truth and God’s plan for the universe."

http://www.sspx.org/en/about/major-concerns/religious-liberty

(Sean's comment: Subsistit, Dominus Iesus, and Lumen Gentium prevail; the implication being other false religions are less perfectly in harmony, rather than opposed to Gods plan?)


Not to mention we now respect the dignity of the human person (as is all over the USCCB website)


And sin no longer exists:
"to choose what is objectively evil and contrary to God’s will is an abuse."....no longer a sin I guess because that must be too harsh of a word....only abuse...

http://www.sspx.org/en/about/major-concerns/religious-liberty"


I don't get it?

Is the OP a joke?  

The two links in the above quote take me nowhere.

What's going on?
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: John Grace on June 09, 2013, 10:10:59 AM
Quote from: Frances
The middle picture brings back memories.  1- of a Jefferson Airplane concert I attended against my parents' direct order to keep away.  Just about everyone was stoned on pot and acid.  I arrived sober but left high as a kite.  2- of a Pentecostal session of "singing in the spirit." There were no drugs involved, just mass hysteria directed by a very charismatic heretic who was later exposed as a thief, fraud, and womanizer.  To whom is the SSPX trying to appeal?  Aging baby-boomers?  Why not?  That's who anyone with something for sale appeals to nowadays.  (Seen any network TV commercials lately?)  That is who has the $$$$$$$.  What do these pop-art pictures have to do with Jesus Christ?  The Blessed Virgin Mary?  Would she have hung any of these in the Holy House?  God help us, because the SSPX is no longer doing so!


I must admit it reminded me of the Irish SSPX youth who helped organise a pro life event at the most recent World Youth Day.Though to give the Irish SSPX credit, the youths in question attend both Indult and SSPX.'Fr Stan', a rapper worked up the crowd.

I think Frances is correct.There is a move to appear 'cool' and 'hip' and 'modern' hence the new direction.

Not long now until we have a carnival in Rio.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Novus Weirdo on June 09, 2013, 11:01:26 AM
These 'photos' remind me of some weird amalgamation of Yes album covers and interpretive visions of Medjugorje.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on June 09, 2013, 11:21:22 AM
The last of the 3 photos reminds me of a guy praying in front of a pagan temple in South America. wierd
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: TheRecusant on June 09, 2013, 11:23:54 AM
Our comment:

http://www.therecusant.com/apps/blog/show/27988339-new-look-sspx-org-website-part-of-the-new-look-sspx

Quote
The new SSPX US District website has to be seen to be believed. Those of you who have listened to Fr. Girouard's Sunday sermon from last week (see the post below this one) will know what is going on here. Those of you who have not yet heard this important sermon need to do so as soon as possible. Fr. Girouard reports, quoting from the horses mouth, on the decision of the SSPX to hire a professional "PR company" to re-brand the Society (for which the SSPX paid good money!), helping it to leave behind it's "negative image" and be more "positive" about the Church.

In keeping with this, and as if further evidence were needed, take a look at the new-look SSPX.org. Let us take one example (there are more). Have a look at what they present as being the "mission statement" of the SSPX. It is to be found under the tab labelled "about". On that page we read:


"The spirit of the SSPX is essentially apostolic; it was designed by its founder to operate much like a missionary order, spreading the faith far and wide. This apostolate is today especially necessary considering the spread of atheism, agnosticism, and religious indifference.

The SSPX, to this end, seeks to draw souls closer to Christ primarily through the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, as well as through its preaching, its schools, its seminaries, and its other houses of religious formation.

All this can be summed up in our founder’s motto: “I have believed in love,” that is, in the love of Christ."


 
Can you spot what's going on here? This could be describing any of the 1001 pre-Vatican II religious congregation or Society. Where is the mention of fighting modernism; of fighting Vatican II; of the Crisis in the Church; of error and heresy and the need for to preserve souls from the errors of the Council; of the "conciliar Chruch"...? What has become of "operation survival"? It has been turned into "operation all-you-need-is-lurve"...!

This is just yet another clear piece of evidence, for those with eyes to see, of the strong will of the new SSPX to make itself as inoffensive to the world as possible! Pray that as many souls as possible will wake up, join the Resistance and thus ultimately be preserved from sliding, unsuspecting, into this spirit of desiring to be inoffensive to the world.


More people need to see this. You never know, it might wake some of them up. Although there are without doubt many people who will never wake up. If Bishop Fellay were to write a new Doctrinal Declaration in which he declares that Christ is not God and that from now on we worship Satan, there would still be people defending it. And there would still be 'conservative' SSPX clergy saying it was 'disappointingly ambiguous' etc, just like there would still be priests complaining about it in private but going along with it in public.

But maybe some good souls can still be woken up.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Ethelred on June 09, 2013, 11:57:57 AM
One additional word to the photos on Seraphim's first link. I already posted three from there.

These are apparently test-pictures, probably by the company which created the Neo-SSPX' new website, together with some test-texts until everything is filled with own content. Probably the company is the one which The-Recusant above mentioned so:
»... on the decision of the SSPX to hire a professional "PR company" to re-brand the Society (for which the SSPX paid good money!), helping it to leave behind it's "negative image" and be more "positive" about the Church.«

Since Seraphim's linked website looks like a test sub-domain, these photos obviously don't represent the new Neo-SSPX website's final content. So, to make it clear again, I don't want to mislead anybody with these pictures. As said in my 1st post, these are obviously test-pictures.


But these pictures are currently in this sub-domain of the new fsspx.net website and accessible worldwide, so why not take look at them, and above them the fancy new Neo-SSPX logo and new Neo-SSPX menu titles in Windows-8 style.
These mostly psychedelic pictures which we know from other New World Order companies like Microsoft's Windows-8 and so on, well these pictures match so nicely the Neo-SSPX' new "company identity", that obviously there's some spooky but non-causal connection. These strange pictures seem to stand graphically for what the Neo-SSPX really stands for, in the sense of the famous proverb: A picture paints a thousand words.


More nice photos from Seraphim's linked Neo-SSPX's sub-doman website (right-click in Firefox on them and use menu "show picture" to see picture in full size). The first picture really could stand for Krah's new fancy Neo-SSPX company car whilst he visits a Church in Menzingen (John Grace recently posted a photograph of Krah's real company car in Switzerland).

You are here: Home > Media > photos (http://usa.acc.eu.fsspx.net/en/media/photos?keys=&&items_per_page=48&page=1)

> photos > About 2 million people attended

(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1042/94211597.jpg)



> photos > Metals futures prices rose in heavy trading today

(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2659/73110296.jpg)


> photos > The event that he smiled at me gives me hope

(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/7084/iiiju.jpg)
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: John Grace on June 09, 2013, 12:05:15 PM
I'm quite offended they have turned the SSPX into a brand and a business.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Frances on June 09, 2013, 12:10:10 PM
My sentiments exactly.  
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: John Grace on June 09, 2013, 12:10:53 PM
Max is delighted with the new look

Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: John Grace on June 09, 2013, 12:14:33 PM
All bow down to the real leader of the Society St Pius X. The official leader of the Church of Bishop Fellay.

Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Mithrandylan on June 09, 2013, 12:34:13 PM
For whatever reason, when I type in 'sspx.org' I get the old site.

When I click Sean's link, I get the new one.

Wife found this gem of an article:

Tradition, Ever Young, Ever New (http://usa.acc.eu.fsspx.net/en/news-events/news/tradition-ever-young-ever-new-1752)

You're right Sean.  I want to puke.

Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Mithrandylan on June 09, 2013, 12:41:46 PM
Also, check out the schools (http://usa.acc.eu.fsspx.net/en/community/schools) link.

There is not a single image that would give you the impression that these are Catholic schools.

Because maybe they're not?

Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Incredulous on June 09, 2013, 12:46:08 PM
Quote from: Ethelred
One additional word to the photos on Seraphim's first link. I already posted three from there.

These are apparently test-pictures, probably by the company which created the Neo-SSPX' new website, together with some test-texts until everything is filled with own content. Probably the company is the one which The-Recusant above mentioned so:
»... on the decision of the SSPX to hire a professional "PR company" to re-brand the Society (for which the SSPX paid good money!), helping it to leave behind it's "negative image" and be more "positive" about the Church.«

Since Seraphim's linked website looks like a test sub-domain, these photos obviously don't represent the new Neo-SSPX website's final content. So, to make it clear again, I don't want to mislead anybody with these pictures. As said in my 1st post, these are obviously test-pictures.


But these pictures are currently in this sub-domain of the new fsspx.net website and accessible worldwide, so why not take look at them, and above them the fancy new Neo-SSPX logo and new Neo-SSPX menu titles in Windows-8 style.
These mostly psychedelic pictures which we know from other New World Order companies like Microsoft's Windows-8 and so on, well these pictures match so nicely the Neo-SSPX' new "company identity", that obviously there's some spooky but non-causal connection. These strange pictures seem to stand graphically for what the Neo-SSPX really stands for, in the sense of the famous proverb: A picture paints a thousand words.


More nice photos from Seraphim's linked Neo-SSPX's sub-doman website (right-click in Firefox on them and use menu "show picture" to see picture in full size). The first picture really could stand for Krah's new fancy Neo-SSPX company car whilst he visits a Church in Menzingen (John Grace recently posted a photograph of Krah's real company car in Switzerland).

You are here: Home > Media > photos (http://usa.acc.eu.fsspx.net/en/media/photos?keys=&&items_per_page=48&page=1)







Thank goodness we have Ethelred's computer expertise to explain the context of the neoSSPX's website imagery.

If I had to guess, I'd say the pop photos are the idea of that hip judeo-trad, Max Krah.

The following image is very reminiscent of Apple's iPod campaign three years ago. This "electric rock wonderland" message was posted on bill-boards all over California then.

(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2015/82355823.jpg)


The calculated marketing message is this:  "Hook your mind up to an electronic device and release your pagan passions".

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZC98969yzrrOLFtCTOjzTGCalAiAMdRmLjhV_ZPlG-decn6U3ag)


(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQOTQDcOtWHHmfGRuZJqlncGZbyCHJ9a3SWyuIPU7qiLcxVfEBz3g)




I couldn't find it, but one of Apple's image had orange and red backgrounds which made the people in them look like they were rocking and screaming to their music in hell.

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXM_u809TUkuXatuYVjAfON3OQYfwkqazQN2ucK8MAAWOPbYGv)

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR61VH4VV2V5egdqjY516L7nppd5aOR03za8HW2a6kRYS66k8LO8Q)

Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Zzz on June 09, 2013, 05:23:25 PM
You're all missing the best part of this new test site.  The link to Disney.com.

Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Marlelar on June 09, 2013, 05:44:23 PM
This is awful, looks waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to slick to be a website of a religious organization.  Very modernist.

Marsha
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Machabees on June 09, 2013, 05:57:15 PM
Quote from: John Grace
I'm quite offended they have turned the SSPX into a brand and a business.


Yes, Remember in Fr. Rostand's "Christmas appeal", he said that he was going to "update" their image?  Well here it is:

Quote
"...Rest assured, dear faithful, that our commitment to combating Modernism in the Church remains rock solid!  The good news is that we have more opportunities than ever to influence the direction of the Church by educating those who are misinformed about the work and nature of the SSPX.

One of our primary initiatives for 2013 is to continue to improve our public relations and media communications apostolate. You may have noticed over the past year that The Angelus and the Regina Coeli Report now have harmonized visual styles. The new website for the U.S. District will continue this move towards a common theme. This is important because it ties together the various media we use to communicate and presents a unified image.

We're focusing on all means of communication, including newsletters, flyers, email, videos, press releases, granting more print and digital interviews and, of course, the Society's website, which serves as a beacon of timely news, information, and a repository of interesting articles. Our website averaged over 5,000 visitors each day in 2012! These visitors came to get information - to read and watch and listen to our reasons for holding fast to Tradition. Without our website, more than 5,000 people each day would be vulnerable to rumors and falsehoods spread by our detractors.

Our attention to media has yielded other victories for us as well. One recent success was the Angelus Press interview series with me this summer which proved quite popular and aided us in setting the record straight regarding the discussions with Rome. These video interviews subsequently were linked to a number of Catholic and non-Catholic news organizations, which further spread our message and helped quiet the distracting din of rumors.

Because the District Office invests in these programs, we operate under heavy financial constraints, and your support is vital to safeguarding our future. Since we do not operate chapels and schools directly, we rely on the support of voluntary donations sent directly to the District Office.

This is why I am writing to ask you for your financial help this Christmas season."


So let’s see their new “Traditional Catholic” image on their new sspx.org website:  http://www.sspx.org/

In first appearance, I am struck to see the distracting MODERN art on the overlay of their homepage; yup, MODERN art overlays on a Traditional Catholic website; that’s some “updating”.  Seems to be in similar spirit of “updating” as like the new Cathedral in Fatima, or at Lourdes.  Is this updating also from that pagan PR firm that Fr. Rostand is ponying up to?  

Instead of “distortions”, what happened to “attractions” with using something of the Beauty of God’s creation, or of our Lady, the Madonna, or any other traditional art?  Anything but Modern adaptions.  Who are they trying to attract by this?  And of what spirit are they trying to “kick” out of the door?

So, Pagan PR firm - Updating - New Catholic image - Modern art - Need to go along to get along.

Where have we heard that before?
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Raphaela on June 09, 2013, 06:11:06 PM
Words fail me - it's so unbelievably bad.

But even if it was just a secular firm, you'd know it was trash.

But God is merciful. People can't say now they haven't been warned. Perhaps more priests (and laymen) will leave them after seeing this.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Machabees on June 09, 2013, 07:35:51 PM
In this "new image" for the SSPX, I just noticed that the U.S District merged with the Canadian District -they now both have the same website- no more autonomy!

Is this "new image to merge" anything like the international merging and updating to the North American Union, Nafta, one world order?
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Zeitun on June 09, 2013, 09:05:13 PM
I worked in the software/web design biz for many years (retired now) and much of the style and layout of the new site is pretty standard in the CORPORATE world.  Even the page with the branding elements you would find on a typical coporate website.  I see what they are trying to accomplish--more unity of image and message.  Honestly, this site is way more professional than the Vatican website.  And the usability of the new site I would say is high quality.  

Is that a bad thing?  Not in principle, as these concepts of message presentation are part of Catholic Action.  I guess the problem is the message content still remains ambiguous.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: shin on June 09, 2013, 09:17:28 PM
So. Setting the textual content completely aside.. you don't have the eyes to see what's wrong with the style and layout..



Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: brainglitch on June 09, 2013, 09:18:56 PM
I really like the new website. And I think it's funny that the resisters tried to make it appear that the test images, etc. were from the real website. Come on guys, no one is fooled by that! :)
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Novus Weirdo on June 09, 2013, 09:23:20 PM
Quote from: shin
So. Setting the textual content completely aside.. you don't have the eyes to see what's wrong with the style and layout..


Yet you do not elaborate on what exactly that is.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Zeitun on June 09, 2013, 10:38:54 PM
shin you are a fool.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: MaterDominici on June 09, 2013, 11:11:59 PM
Quote from: brainglitch
And I think it's funny that the resisters tried to make it appear that the test images, etc. were from the real website. Come on guys, no one is fooled by that! :)


Yes, he tried so hard that he said the exact opposite!  :rolleyes:

Quote from: Ethelred on Page 1
It's only test-pictures, of course.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Matthew on June 09, 2013, 11:27:34 PM
It's very "updated" and "modern", that's for sure.

And they've spent some good money on this site. But what about the content? Is it going to be watered-down, so as not to offend the Modernists in Rome? That is the travesty.

Look at the FSSP website:

http://www.fssp.org/en/index.htm

Their site still treats all browsers equally -- even those with 640 x 480 resolution. By the way, it's pretty safe to develop for 1024 x 768 these days. I say this as a professional web developer.

So the FSSP website is a bit dated.

Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Zeitun on June 10, 2013, 12:58:22 AM
I think the new site looks great.  I give it high marks for usability.

The jury is out on content.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 10, 2013, 01:21:17 AM
Quote from: Machabees
Quote from: John Grace
I'm quite offended they have turned the SSPX into a brand and a business.


Yes, Remember in Fr. Rostand's "Christmas appeal", he said that he was going to "update" their image?  Well here it is:

Quote
"...Rest assured, dear faithful, that our commitment to combating Modernism in the Church remains rock solid!  The good news is that we have more opportunities than ever to influence the direction of the Church by educating those who are misinformed about the work and nature of the SSPX.

One of our primary initiatives for 2013 is to continue to improve our public relations and media communications apostolate. You may have noticed over the past year that The Angelus and the Regina Coeli Report now have harmonized visual styles. The new website for the U.S. District will continue this move towards a common theme. This is important because it ties together the various media we use to communicate and presents a unified image.

We're focusing on all means of communication, including newsletters, flyers, email, videos, press releases, granting more print and digital interviews and, of course, the Society's website, which serves as a beacon of timely news, information, and a repository of interesting articles. Our website averaged over 5,000 visitors each day in 2012! These visitors came to get information - to read and watch and listen to our reasons for holding fast to Tradition. Without our website, more than 5,000 people each day would be vulnerable to rumors and falsehoods spread by our detractors.

Our attention to media has yielded other victories for us as well. One recent success was the Angelus Press interview series with me this summer which proved quite popular and aided us in setting the record straight regarding the discussions with Rome. These video interviews subsequently were linked to a number of Catholic and non-Catholic news organizations, which further spread our message and helped quiet the distracting din of rumors.

Because the District Office invests in these programs, we operate under heavy financial constraints, and your support is vital to safeguarding our future. Since we do not operate chapels and schools directly, we rely on the support of voluntary donations sent directly to the District Office.

This is why I am writing to ask you for your financial help this Christmas season."


So let’s see their new “Traditional Catholic” image on their new sspx.org website:  http://www.sspx.org/

In first appearance, I am struck to see the distracting MODERN art on the overlay of their homepage; yup, MODERN art overlays on a Traditional Catholic website; that’s some “updating”.  Seems to be in similar spirit of “updating” as like the new Cathedral in Fatima, or at Lourdes.  Is this updating also from that pagan PR firm that Fr. Rostand is ponying up to?  

Instead of “distortions”, what happened to “attractions” with using something of the Beauty of God’s creation, or of our Lady, the Madonna, or any other traditional art?  Anything but Modern adaptions.  Who are they trying to attract by this?  And of what spirit are they trying to “kick” out of the door?

So, Pagan PR firm - Updating - New Catholic image - Modern art - Need to go along to get along.

Where have we heard that before?



You said:

So let’s see their new “Traditional Catholic” image on their new sspx.org website:  http://www.sspx.org/

In first appearance, I am struck to see the distracting MODERN art on the overlay of their homepage; yup, MODERN art overlays on a Traditional Catholic website; that’s some “updating”.  Seems to be in similar spirit of “updating” as like the new Cathedral in Fatima, or at Lourdes.  Is this updating also from that pagan PR firm that Fr. Rostand is ponying up to?



Follwing your link, I found a few images including this one:  

(http://www.sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/main_visual/public/sacred-heart.jpg?itok=xvqrO9gi)


Is that what you're talking about?  Or when you say, "MODERN art overlays"
is that something else?

I'm not sure I understand what you're upset about here.  

Is it this?

(http://www.sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/main_visual/public/sacres.jpg?itok=B1Czdaqq)

Or this?

(http://www.sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/main_visual/public/cross.jpg?itok=sVoDPMWb)

I'm trying to understand.




Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: PerEvangelicaDicta on June 10, 2013, 01:24:09 AM
For those of us who know way too much about satanic freemasons to sleep well at night, upon review of all this information I'm now convinced the society has been co-opted by them.  
It may seem innocuous to reference, but the link to Disney underscores this certainty.

Pray for them.  Hard.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 10, 2013, 01:31:56 AM
Quote from: PerEvangelicaDicta
For those of us who know way too much about satanic freemasons to sleep well at night, upon review of all this information I'm now convinced the society has been co-opted by them.  
It may seem innocuous to reference, but the link to Disney underscores this certainty.

Pray for them.  Hard.





Sorry, but I don't see any "link to Disney" anywhere.  

Where is it?  What is the link? Where does the link take you?  






Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: TKGS on June 10, 2013, 08:56:22 AM
The SSPX has changed the look of its website in order to take advantage of the way people use the internet now.  As other have already said, how it looks isn't the primary concern.  The primary concern is what is the content of the new website.  I'm not too involved with the SSPX so I don't expect that I will peruse the new website all that much.  It does have a "new feel" to it and whether that is good or bad is, I suppose, up to individual tastes.  The larger question is whether there will be a positive response throughout the universe of internet users and whether it will make a positive impression upon those who have never seen the old website.

It seems the most critical reactions are from people who hate any change at all in anything.  It reminds me of the joke:

Q:  How many traditional Catholics does it take to change a light bulb?

A:  Change?  We don't need no change!  Don't ever change anything, you heretic!!!
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: SeanGovan on June 10, 2013, 11:36:49 AM
Quote from: TKGS
The SSPX has changed the look of its website in order to take advantage of the way people use the internet now.  As other have already said, how it looks isn't the primary concern.  The primary concern is what is the content of the new website.  I'm not too involved with the SSPX so I don't expect that I will peruse the new website all that much.  It does have a "new feel" to it and whether that is good or bad is, I suppose, up to individual tastes.  The larger question is whether there will be a positive response throughout the universe of internet users and whether it will make a positive impression upon those who have never seen the old website.


You are right that the primary concern is the content. But that is only true because the primary concern is doctrine. The primary concern is the Truth. If you don't have the Truth, you have nothing.

Therefore, the appearance is also important. The appearance sends the message "We are hip. We are are worldly wise. We are up to date. We are out to please the customer. We are out to please the world."

So you are wrong to say that whether the new design is good or bad is "up to individual tastes." That is false. The new site tells people that there is no friction between their neo-pagan, anti-Christ culture and Jesus Christ.

Even if the content of this website was the whole true doctrine and only the true doctrine, it would still be a bad website. The design alone is enough to encourage Catholics to go along with the world.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: PerEvangelicaDicta on June 10, 2013, 11:46:33 AM
Quote
Even if the content of this website was the whole true doctrine and only the true doctrine, it would still be a bad website. The design alone is enough to encourage Catholics to go along with the world.


Yes.  Lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi.  In all things.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: shin on June 10, 2013, 12:32:29 PM
Quote from: Zeitun
shin you are a fool.


Peace child, aren't you a Christian?
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Machabees on June 10, 2013, 12:58:13 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat

You said:

So let’s see their new “Traditional Catholic” image on their new sspx.org website:  http://www.sspx.org/

In first appearance, I am struck to see the distracting MODERN art on the overlay of their homepage; yup, MODERN art overlays on a Traditional Catholic website; that’s some “updating”.  Seems to be in similar spirit of “updating” as like the new Cathedral in Fatima, or at Lourdes.  Is this updating also from that pagan PR firm that Fr. Rostand is ponying up to?

Follwing your link, I found a few images including this one:  

(http://www.sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/main_visual/public/sacred-heart.jpg?itok=xvqrO9gi)

Is that what you're talking about?  Or when you say, "MODERN art overlays"
is that something else?

I'm not sure I understand what you're upset about here.  

Is it this?

(http://www.sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/main_visual/public/sacres.jpg?itok=B1Czdaqq)

Or this?

(http://www.sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/main_visual/public/cross.jpg?itok=sVoDPMWb)

I'm trying to understand.


It is the distracting modern design of the curved "transparent shark fins" as an overlay on their homepage.

So similar to the modern art found in today's modern cathedrals.

If the N-SSPX wants to act like conciliar Rome, I guess they are subtly trying to look like them.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: brainglitch on June 10, 2013, 11:00:11 PM
Quote from: Machabees
Quote from: Neil Obstat

You said:

So let’s see their new “Traditional Catholic” image on their new sspx.org website:  http://www.sspx.org/

In first appearance, I am struck to see the distracting MODERN art on the overlay of their homepage; yup, MODERN art overlays on a Traditional Catholic website; that’s some “updating”.  Seems to be in similar spirit of “updating” as like the new Cathedral in Fatima, or at Lourdes.  Is this updating also from that pagan PR firm that Fr. Rostand is ponying up to?

Follwing your link, I found a few images including this one:  

(http://www.sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/main_visual/public/sacred-heart.jpg?itok=xvqrO9gi)

Is that what you're talking about?  Or when you say, "MODERN art overlays"
is that something else?

I'm not sure I understand what you're upset about here.  

Is it this?

(http://www.sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/main_visual/public/sacres.jpg?itok=B1Czdaqq)

Or this?

(http://www.sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/main_visual/public/cross.jpg?itok=sVoDPMWb)

I'm trying to understand.


It is the distracting modern design of the curved "transparent shark fins" as an overlay on their homepage.

So similar to the modern art found in today's modern cathedrals.

If the N-SSPX wants to act like conciliar Rome, I guess they are subtly trying to look like them.


If you would actually read, instead of mindlessly attack, you would know that the "Modern art overlay" is the "two Hearts" logo of the SSPX.

http://sspx.org/en/hom-slide-identity (http://sspx.org/en/hom-slide-identity)

It's nonsensical posts like the one quoted that eventually caused me to stop taking the Resistance seriously.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Machabees on June 10, 2013, 11:18:31 PM
Quote from: brainglitch
Quote from: Machabees
Quote from: Neil Obstat

You said:

So let’s see their new “Traditional Catholic” image on their new sspx.org website:  http://www.sspx.org/

In first appearance, I am struck to see the distracting MODERN art on the overlay of their homepage; yup, MODERN art overlays on a Traditional Catholic website; that’s some “updating”.  Seems to be in similar spirit of “updating” as like the new Cathedral in Fatima, or at Lourdes.  Is this updating also from that pagan PR firm that Fr. Rostand is ponying up to?

Follwing your link, I found a few images including this one:  

(http://www.sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/main_visual/public/sacred-heart.jpg?itok=xvqrO9gi)

Is that what you're talking about?  Or when you say, "MODERN art overlays"
is that something else?

I'm not sure I understand what you're upset about here.  

Is it this?

(http://www.sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/main_visual/public/sacres.jpg?itok=B1Czdaqq)

Or this?

(http://www.sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/main_visual/public/cross.jpg?itok=sVoDPMWb)

I'm trying to understand.


It is the distracting modern design of the curved "transparent shark fins" as an overlay on their homepage.

So similar to the modern art found in today's modern cathedrals.

If the N-SSPX wants to act like conciliar Rome, I guess they are subtly trying to look like them.


If you would actually read, instead of mindlessly attack, you would know that the "Modern art overlay" is the "two Hearts" logo of the SSPX.

http://sspx.org/en/hom-slide-identity (http://sspx.org/en/hom-slide-identity)

It's nonsensical posts like the one quoted that eventually caused me to stop taking the Resistance seriously.


If it is suppose to "look like two hearts" then let it "look" like two hearts; NOT a distorted, mindless interpretation of "two hearts".

It figures, that someone has to go and search out in their own website what that "transparent shark fin" is suppose to look like...it is typical of the N-SSPX, you have to go "searching" to find some answers!

Until they fix it to make it "look" like "two hearts" it is still a piece of abstract modern art -period- just like today's new-faith cathedrals.  
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Gwaredd on June 11, 2013, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: Ethelred
Very modern. Funny pictures there if you click the quoted New Neo-SSPX website link.

It's only test-pictures, of course. Still saying a lot about who the Neo-SSPX is working with now. Krah modernists.

Here are the pictures copied to another place, before the Neo-SSPX's webmaster takes them away (right-click on them and then click Firefox menu "show picture" to see them in full size and glory) :


(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6379/43527996.jpg)
                                                               
                                                               
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2015/82355823.jpg)
                                                               
                                                               
(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7519/36686312.jpg)



- 1st picture has written on it: "All connected".

- 3rd picture has written on it: "The hills are filled with the sound of music" ...ahm... "In the Jungle of Sounds. Find your Temple of Music. Find Audiojungle."


Now that's deep. That's catholic ... in the sense of globalist.
The Neo-SSPX is welcomed by the New World Order now.


The problem is they have bad "Karma."  :roll-laugh1:
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Gwaredd on June 11, 2013, 06:09:13 PM
Quote from: shin
Quote from: Zeitun
shin you are a fool.


Peace child, aren't you a Christian?


Peace, peace and there is no peace!"
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Gwaredd on June 16, 2013, 11:29:54 AM
Quote from: John Grace
Max is delighted with the new look



Who are these blokes?
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: hugeman on June 16, 2013, 12:02:05 PM
I Love the new SSPX
 web site !! go to the sspx.org site ( the US one)-- look for the listing of the Mass locations. Top on the list (was--when I looked this morning at 11:45 AM ) "Washington, DC Area-- Leesburg Tpk, Falls Church. I think this is to compete with Father Ringrose !!

   Can you believe this ----??? The priest who faithfully supported the Society, and its priests, and Archbishop Lefebvre for tons of years !!! This is what they do ???
   They start a competing Mas location near Father Ringrose???

  But-- here's the best yet : The "mass" is at a funeral home!! You have to call the funeral home to find out if a "Mr. Jack MacFarland" is there and can tell you when the funeral, I mean, mass, for the SSPX is being held.

    Apparently, they have funeral masses every week for the dearly departed soul of the SSPX.

    Now--

   You tell me heaven does not have a sense of humor!!!http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=post&s=reply&t=25121#
:)
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: eddiearent on June 16, 2013, 02:06:23 PM
As a former webmaster, I think the site is too busy (not going to make any comments about the content). There are links everywhere. They need to tone it back a little to say the least. Such "test" images shouldn't be on a Catholic server IMO.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 19, 2013, 04:04:05 PM
.


As noted by Unbrandable on this other thread (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=25324&min=10#p1).

Post (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=25121&min=35#p3)
Quote from: SeanGovan
Quote from: TKGS
The SSPX has changed the look of its website in order to take advantage of the way people use the internet now.  As other have already said, how it looks isn't the primary concern.  The primary concern is what is the content of the new website.  I'm not too involved with the SSPX so I don't expect that I will peruse the new website all that much.  It does have a "new feel" to it and whether that is good or bad is, I suppose, up to individual tastes.  The larger question is whether there will be a positive response throughout the universe of internet users and whether it will make a positive impression upon those who have never seen the old website.


You are right that the primary concern is the content. But that is only true because the primary concern is doctrine. The primary concern is the Truth. If you don't have the Truth, you have nothing.

Therefore, the appearance is also important. The appearance sends the message "We are hip. We are are worldly wise. We are up to date. We are out to please the customer. We are out to please the world."

So you are wrong to say that whether the new design is good or bad is "up to individual tastes." That is false. The new site tells people that there is no friction between their neo-pagan, anti-Christ culture and Jesus Christ.

Even if the content of this website was the whole true doctrine and only the true doctrine, it would still be a bad website. The design alone is enough to encourage Catholics to go along with the world.




In my pursuit of understanding of what it is that members find
objectionable in the ExSPX Newimage, apparently I have inadvertently
offended some members.  I don't know how to get my questions
answered without ruffling feathers, I guess.  

What I want to know is seen as something that I should find obvious,
and since I don't find it obvious therefore I become offensive in asking
questions.  I don't know how to deal with that.  

Hopefully this will work itself out because my questions are not really
going anywhere.  



Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 19, 2013, 04:39:58 PM
.


In a last effort to see if I'm still barking up the wrong tree, could anyone
tell me if the following image is the one that is getting everyone all
upset?  

I posted copies of three of the four cycling banner images on the linked
website, but I omitted this one because I couldn't see how it would be
the one in question, but perhaps it is, and I was wrong?  

I mean, it is the most non-descript of the four, and being so empty of
content, I presumed it would not be controversial. Maybe I presumed
incorrectly?


(http://sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/main_visual/public/two-hearts.jpg?itok=fqwmY8TI)
(I just realized there is the shadow of a person's thumb in the top left
corner of this color scanned image, as if they were trying to get the
'tilted' look of having the paper curved when the scan was taken, and
they didn't bother to get their lousy finger out of the way -- like when
your finger partially covers the lens on a camera when you snap a photo.)


That is the fourth banner on the page and the following are the other
three:



Quote from: Machabees
Quote from: brainglitch
Quote from: Machabees
Quote from: Neil Obstat

You said:

So let’s see their new “Traditional Catholic” image on their new sspx.org website:  http://www.sspx.org/

In first appearance, I am struck to see the distracting MODERN art on the overlay of their homepage; yup, MODERN art overlays on a Traditional Catholic website; that’s some “updating”.  Seems to be in similar spirit of “updating” as like the new Cathedral in Fatima, or at Lourdes.  Is this updating also from that pagan PR firm that Fr. Rostand is ponying up to?

Follwing your link, I found a few images including this one:  

(http://www.sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/main_visual/public/sacred-heart.jpg?itok=xvqrO9gi)

Is that what you're talking about?  Or when you say, "MODERN art overlays"
is that something else?

I'm not sure I understand what you're upset about here.  

Is it this?

(http://www.sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/main_visual/public/sacres.jpg?itok=B1Czdaqq)

Or this?

(http://www.sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/main_visual/public/cross.jpg?itok=sVoDPMWb)

I'm trying to understand.


It is the distracting modern design of the curved "transparent shark fins" as an overlay on their homepage.

So similar to the modern art found in today's modern cathedrals.

If the N-SSPX wants to act like conciliar Rome, I guess they are subtly trying to look like them.


If you would actually read, instead of mindlessly attack, you would know that the "Modern art overlay" is the "two Hearts" logo of the SSPX.

http://sspx.org/en/hom-slide-identity (http://sspx.org/en/hom-slide-identity)

It's nonsensical posts like the one quoted that eventually caused me to stop taking the Resistance seriously.


If it is supposed to "look like two hearts" then let it "look" like two hearts; NOT a distorted, mindless interpretation of "two hearts".

It figures, that someone has to go and search out in their own website what that "transparent shark fin" is suppose to look like...it is typical of the N-SSPX, you have to go "searching" to find some answers!

Until they fix it to make it "look" like "two hearts" it is still a piece of abstract modern art -period- just like today's new-faith cathedrals.  




Is this the disputed "two hearts" that looks like 'a distorted, mindless
interpretation of "two hearts"?'


(http://sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/main_visual/public/two-hearts.jpg?itok=fqwmY8TI)



I hope I'm not further offending anyone by asking more questions.



Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Stella on June 19, 2013, 05:07:41 PM
They answer everything here (http://sspx.ca/en/hom-slide-identity): (my emphases)

How did we decide on this new format? Below you will find a brief response.

Who are we?

Before beginning these renovations, we asked the basic question: What is the SSPX all about?

Under this broad heading, we drew up 160 more specific questions. For example, we considered: Which key words could define the SSPX? What is the reason for its existence? What makes the SSPX special and unique? Does the SSPX have any enemies? What image does the SSPX project today? How do others recognize the SSPX? What kind of audiences are we seeking to reach?

Four hallmarks (hint: they aren't One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic)

As we answered these questions, four main qualities repeatedly factored into our answers:

Purity: The combat for the faith in its integrity is the core mission of the SSPX. From the beginning, guided by its founder Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the SSPX has constantly promoted, defended, and upheld the purity of Catholic teaching. We do not tolerate any stain of compromise, neither in principles nor in actions.

Intelligence: In order to manifest this profoundly Catholic faith, the SSPX studies and preaches the time-honored traditional teachings of the Church. We strive to present the truth in an unbiased, responsible, rational, and clear manner.

Selflessness: The Society is a work of the Church and thus exists to serve. Specifically, we serve the Church by maintaining its core traditions. We protect the treasures of the Catholic Faith, regardless of difficulty or misguided opposition. We sacrifice ourselves completely for this cause. We seek God’s glory and honor, along with the salvation of souls, above all else.

Noble Beauty: As the SSPX fights to maintain the integrity and purity of the Catholic faith, it must always keep in mind its final end: the honor and glory of God. God, moreover, is the source of all goodness and beauty; therefore we value and appreciate all that is truly good and beautiful. We seek especially to share the treasures of the faith with others, thus communicating to them the beautiful life of grace.

Manifesting who we are

We have tried to incorporate these four essential qualities into our new website and into the refurbished Angelus magazine; thus we developed a new look with our four hallmarks in mind. Here are the key features of our publications:

Pure white: The dominant color is a clean white, corresponding to the purity of Catholic doctrine.

Intelligence: Priority is given to content. We communicate our message clearly, and we present information directly. Text is placed on a peaceful white background. Sober and straightforward typography keeps the reader focused on our rich content. The design is devoid of all superfluity.

An inconspicuous but unique presence: Our sole identifying marks are:

the subtle SSPX logo which appears on top of all our publications,
the Two Hearts emblem which usually appears in the top right corner, and
the delicate shadow overlay of the Two Hearts which serves as an authenticating watermark stretched across the entire page.

Noble beauty: There are only a few subtle colors and designs used to create the settings for our content. All the beauty and quality of our publications must, therefore, be found in our vibrant visual aids and, of course, in our profound message itself. We often use pictures to create a lively and intriguing ambiance, hoping that sensory beauty will aid our audience in appreciating the more profound intellectual beauty we offer.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Hatchc on June 19, 2013, 05:12:14 PM
Looks like they're using a Wordpress CMS theme.
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 19, 2013, 05:14:51 PM
.


FWIW the new website system has a page devoted to answering
questions about the new design, in many particulars:


 http://sspx.org/en/media/photos/clear-appearance-sspx-1782


Perhaps members who are upset with the way things look could
go to that page and find the thing that's bothering them
addressed?





A new look for the SSPX
You are here:

    Home
    HOM-Slide Identity

The way a business or religious organization presents itself is very important, and developing a solid public presence requires careful reflection and planning. Below we explain the driving forces and ideals behind our new series of publications.

The goal of these updates is to provide you with accurate information about the SSPX and its apostolate in a timely manner.

These ascetic and organizational advancements thus promote the unchanging mission of the SSPX by making information more accessible and by presenting it more clearly.

How did we decide on this new format? Below you will find a brief response.




The Two Hearts

You want to know more about the Style of this website?
The story of the Two Hearts
4 Hallmarks
Visual format (http://sspx.org/en/media/photos/clear-appearance-sspx-1782)



(Following that link you find the following words):


Spreading the Catholic faith

    Clear appearance of the SSPX

The way a business or religious organization presents itself is very important, and developing a solid public presence requires careful reflection and planning.

Here we explain the driving forces and ideals behind our new series of publications.

 

When you go to that page, and you click on the image of the two hearts
in the middle of the page, a slide show loads that describes where these
so-called 'shark fins' come from.  They show a light source, shining on
the two hearts logo, and the shadow that is consequent, a larger image,
and then they take parts of that larger shadow image to use for
'overlays' (they don't use that term though) for stationery, website pages,
publications, ad banners, and all that.  



Is this process of imaging and shadowing and partitioning what members
are finding offensive?  


Here are some of the slides:

(http://sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/colorbox-big/public/presentation05.jpg)

(http://sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/colorbox-big/public/presentation06.jpg)

(http://sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/colorbox-big/public/presentation07.jpg)

Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Nickolas on June 19, 2013, 08:22:15 PM
Not that the Society will come to Cathinfo for a review of their website, but having spent the last week or so navigating around the site, my simple review is that it is one of the most boring and laborious sites I have ever seen.  

White:  Color is the name of the game on the internet, in fact, all media.  Color grabs your attention and makes you want to dig deeper.  I read the explanation of the white and purity idea, but really, don't tell me what you are trying to be, be it.  Don't need to try to prove it with your color scheme.  Trying too hard here and missing the target. Same with the Angelus Magazine cover.  Again, trying too hard but missing the mark when it comes to content as far as "purity" of thought.  

Font: The font size is too small and font choice is just plain BORING.  Of the literally dozens and dozens of interesting fonts out there, the one chosen is probably the least interesting that could come about.  Yes, yes, it is easy to read, but my personal attraction to old books is the classic style of print used in them, even Gothic.  

Too many clicks:  Is it my imagination, or is it more difficult to navigate around?  Makes you want to give up and not bother, given the white washed effect the whole mundane production has become.  

Angelus Press: when I click on the Angelus Press blog site, I get a pop up notice the site has a "trojan horse".  This was mentioned over a week ago, yet it is still there.  Is this intentional or are the web designers just not up to the task?  One would think feedback would have reached the offices of the web designer by now.  

All in all, compared with the old classic look of the now "archived" site, the new one is a dud.  

Now if the SSPX leadership is smart, they will make an objective study to see how folks like the site and be ready, and not afraid, to back off and realize they missed the mark.  They changed all 4 tires when none were worn out.  If they behave like political folks, however, they will ask each other and some friends how they like it, all will look at each other (not wanting to disappoint) and nod their heads that it is the best thing since sliced bread.  
Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 19, 2013, 09:40:29 PM
Quote from: Stella
They answer everything here (http://sspx.ca/en/hom-slide-identity): (my emphases)

How did we decide on this new format? Below you will find a brief response.

Who are we?

Before beginning these renovations, we asked the basic question: What is the SSPX all about?

... What kind of audiences are we seeking to reach?

Four hallmarks (hint: they aren't One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic)

...
Purity:

Intelligence:


Selflessness:

Noble Beauty:

Manifesting who we are

We have tried to incorporate these four essential qualities into our new website and into the refurbished Angelus magazine; thus we developed a new look with our four hallmarks in mind. Here are the key features of our publications:

Pure white:

Intelligence:

An inconspicuous but unique presence:

Noble beauty:




It seems to me they forgot one category:

Pride: By rising to the challenge of pridefulness, we cover ourselves
with the purity of white, even though we are not pure, we claim to display
intelligence even while we contradict ourselves, we equate 'selflessness'
with "an inconspicuous but unique presence," and we award ourselves for
having achieved "Noble Beauty."  Therefore, we think we've successfully
made the mark of Pride that we were hoping to achieve without having to
put it into words.  



Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 19, 2013, 10:06:28 PM
.

I have to say, that looking around, I found a page that seems pretty good,
and reminds me of what this site used to be -- but then, it has nothing of
the new look, and it appears to have been imported directly from the old
site in both appearance and content (I haven't gone through the whole
thing, but at first glance it seems to be entirely outside the new "Branding"
agenda since it is critical of the Newmass in general and in particulars):  




Source (http://archives.sspx.org/SSPX_FAQs/q5_novus_ordo_missae.htm) [Sorry, I don't know how to make the logo smaller -
this is only about 1-1/2" square on the source page.]

(http://archives.sspx.org/images/headers/SSPXlogo90x90_2a.gif)

Question 5
What is wrong with the Novus
Ordo Missae
?





   
     

   
 

A. Preliminary remarks

    A criticism of the New Rite cannot be a criticism of the Mass in itself, for this is the very sacrifice of Our Lord bequeathed to His Church, but it is an examination, whether it is a fit rite for embodying and enacting this august Sacrifice.

A typical New Mass

    It is difficult for those who have known nothing other than the Novus Ordo Missae to understand of what they have been deprived, and attending a “Latin Mass” often just seems alien. To see clearly what it is all about, it is necessary to have a clear understanding of the defined truths of our Faith on the Mass (principles 11-18 are some of them). Only in the light of these can the “new rite” of Mass be evaluated.

B. What is the Novus Ordo Missae?

Let us answer this by looking at its four causes, as the philosophers would say:

What are the elements that make up the New Rite? Some are Catholic:

  -  a priest,
  -  bread and wine,
  -  genuflections,
  -  signs of the Cross, etc.,

but some are Protestant:

  -  a table,
  -  common-place utensils,
  -  communion under both kinds and in the hand, etc.

Now, the Novus Ordo Missae assumes these heterodox elements alongside the Catholic ones to form a liturgy for a modernist religion which would marry the Church and the world, Catholicism and Protestantism, light and darkness. Indeed, the Novus Ordo Missae presents itself as:

    a meal (vs. principle 11). This is shown by its use of a table around which the people of God gather to offer bread and wine (vs. principle 18) and to communicate from rather common-place utensils, often under both kinds (vs. principle 15), and usually in the hand (vs. principle 16). (Note too the almost complete deletion of references to sacrifice).

    a narrative of a past event (vs. principle 12). This told out loud by the one presiding (vs. principle 14), who recounts Our Lord’s words as read in Scripture (rather than pronouncing a sacramental formula) and who makes no pause until he has shown the Host to the people.

    a community gathering, (vs. principle 13). Christ is perhaps considered to be morally present but ignored in his Sacramental Presence (vs. principles 16 & 17).

Notice also the numerous rubrical changes:

    the celebrant facing the people from where the tabernacle was formerly kept.
    just after the consecration, all acclaim He “will come again.”
    sacred vessels are no longer gilt.
    Sacred Particles are ignored (vs. principle 15)

        the priest no longer joins thumb and forefinger after the consecration.
        the vessels are not purified as they used to be.
        Communion is most frequently given in the hand.
        genuflections on the part of the priest and kneeling on the part of the faithful are much reduced.
        the people take over much of what the priest formerly did.

Moreover, the Novus Ordo Missae defined itself this way:

    The Lord’s Supper, or Mass, is a sacred synaxis, or assembly of the people of God gathered together under the presidency of the priest to celebrate the memorial of the Lord. (Pope Paul VI, Institutio Generalis, §7, 1969 version)

What is the aim of the Novus Ordo Missae as a rite?

    ...the intention of Pope Paul VI with regard to what is commonly called the Mass, was to reform the Catholic liturgy in such a way that it should almost coincide with the Protestant liturgy... there was with Pope Paul VI an ecumenical intention to remove, or at least to correct, or at least to relax, what was too Catholic, in the traditional sense, in the Mass and, I repeat, to get the Catholic Mass closer to the Calvinist mass...*

*Jean Guitton on December 19, 1993 in Apropos (17), p. 8ff [also in Christian Order, October 1994]. Jean Guitton was an intimate friend of Pope Paul VI.  Paul VI had 116 of his books and had made marginal study notes in 17 of these:

    When I began work on this trilogy I was concerned at the extent to which the Catholic liturgy was being Protestantized. The more detailed my study of the Revolution, the more evident it has become that it has by-passed Protestantism and its final goal is humanism. (Pope Paul's New Mass, pp. 137 and 149)

This latter is a fair evaluation when one considers the changes implemented, the results achieved, and the tendency of modern theology, even papal theology (cf. question 7).

5. WHO made up the Novus Ordo Missae?

It is the invention of a liturgical commission, the Consilium, whose guiding light was Fr. Annibale Bugnini (made an archbishop in 1972 for his services), and which also included six Protestant experts. Fr. Bugnini (principal author of Vatican II’s Sacrosanctum Concilium) had his own ideas on popular involvement in the liturgy (La Riforma Liturgia, A. Bugnini, Centro Liturgico Vincenziano, 1983), while the Protestant advisors had their own heretical ideas on the essence of the Mass.
   

Archbishop Annibale Bugnini
Archbishop Bugnini, one of the architects of the New Mass

But the one on whose authority the Novus Ordo Missae was enforced was Pope Paul VI, who “promulgated” it by his apostolic constitution, Missale Romanum (April 3, 1969).

6. Or did Pope Paul VI REALLY DO SO?

    In the original version of Missale Romanum, signed by Pope Paul VI, no mention was made either of anyone’s being obliged to use the Novus Ordo Missae or when such an obligation might begin.

    Translators of the constitution mistranslated cogere et efficere (i.e., to sum up and draw a conclusion) as to give force of law.

    The version in the Acta Apostolicae Sedis (which records all official texts of the papacy) has an added paragraph “enjoining” the new missal, but it is in the wrong tense, the past, and reads praescripsimus (i.e., which we have ordered) thereby referring to a past obligation, and nothing, moreover, in Missale Romanum prescribes, but at most permits the use of the “New Rite" (The Angelus, March 1997, p. 35).

Can it be true that Pope Paul VI wanted this missal but that it was not properly imposed (it is known moreover, that Pope Paul VI signed the Institutio Generalis without reading it and without ensuring that it had been previously confirmed by the Holy Office).

C. Judgment on the Novus Ordo Missae

1. Judging the Novus Ordo Missae in itself and in its official Latin form (printed in 1969)*, Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci wrote to Pope Paul VI:

    ...the Novus Ordo represents, both as a whole and in its details, a striking departure from the Catholic theology of the Mass as it was formulated in Session XXIII of the Council of Trent. (A Brief Critical Study of the Novus Ordo Missae, September 25, 1969)

*A Novus Ordo Missae celebrated according to the 1969 typical edition would look very similar to the traditional Roman Rite, with the celebrant saying most (if not all) the prayers in Latin, facing the tabernacle and wearing the traditional Mass vestments, with a male altar server, and Gregorian chant, etc.  None of the current abuses, e.g., Communion in the hand, Eucharistic Ministers, liturgical dancing, guitar-masses, etc., have part with this official form. Hence, the aforementioned cardinals' (as well as the SSPX's) critique of the Novus Ordo Missae is not of its abuses or misapplication, but rather of its essential and official form.

And Archbishop Lefebvre definitely agreed with them when he wrote:

    The Novus Ordo Missae, even when said with piety and respect for the liturgical rules, ...is impregnated with the spirit of  Protestantism. It bears within it a poison harmful to the faith  (An Open Letter to Confused Catholics, p. 29 [appendix 2])

The dissimulation of Catholic elements and the pandering to Protestants which are evident in the Novus Ordo Missae render it a danger to our faith, and, as such, evil, given that it lacks the good which the sacred rite of Mass ought to have.

2. By their fruits you shall know them:

We were promised the Novus Ordo Missae would renew Catholic fervor, inspire the young, draw back the lapsed and attract non-Catholics.

Who today can pretend that these things are its fruits? Together with the Novus Ordo Missae did there not instead come a dramatic decline in Mass attendance and vocations, an “identity crisis” among priests, a slowing in the rate of conversions, and an acceleration of apostasies? So, from the point of view of its fruits, the Novus Ordo Missae is not a rite conducive to the flourishing of the Church’s mission.

3. Does it follow from the apparent promulgation by the popes that the Novus Ordo Missae is truly Catholic?  No, for the indefectibility of the Church does not prevent the pope personally from promoting defective and modernist rites in the Latin rite of the Church. Moreover, the Novus Ordo Missae:

    was not properly promulgated (and therefore does not have force of law; cf., [vi] above),

    the old Roman Mass (aka, the Tridentine or traditional Latin Mass) was not abolished or superseded in the constitution Missale Romanum, hence in virtue of the of Quo Primum (which de jure [by law] is still the liturgical law and therefore the official Mass of the Roman Rite), it can always be said (principle 19),

    and lastly, the constitution Missale Romanum does not engage the Church's infallibility.*

*Let us remember that a pope engages his infallibility not only when teaching on faith or morals (or legislating on what is necessarily connected with them) but when so doing with full pontifical authority and definitively (cf. Vatican I [Dz 1839].  But as regards the Novus Ordo Missae, Pope Paul VI has stated (November 19, 1969) that:

    ...the rite and its related rubric are not in themselves a dogmatic definition. They are capable of various theological qualifications, depending on the liturgical context to which they relate. They are gestures and terms relating to a lived and living religious action which involves the ineffable mystery of God's presence; it is an action that is not always carried out in the exact same form, an action that only theological analysis can examine and express in doctrinal formulas that are logically satisfying.

NB: It should be also be understood that the papal bull, Quo Primum is neither an infallible document, but rather only a disciplinary document regarding the liturgical law that governs the Tridentine Rite (cf. this Catholic FAQ for details).

D. This being so, can it be said that the Novus Ordo Missae is invalid?

This does not necessarily follow from the above defects, as serious as they might be, for only three things are required for validity (presupposing a validly ordained priest), proper:

    matter,
    form,
    and intention.

However, the celebrant must intend to do what the Church does. The Novus Ordo Missae will no longer in and of itself guarantee that the celebrant has this intention. That will depend on his personal faith (generally unknown to those assisting, but more and more doubtful as the crisis in the Church is prolonged).

Therefore, these Masses can be of doubtful validity, and more so with time.

The words of consecration, especially of the wine, have been tampered with. Has the “substance of the sacrament” (cf., Pope Pius XII quoted in principle 5) been respected? This is even more of a problem in Masses in the vernacular, where pro multis (for many) has been deliberately mistranslated as "for all". While we should assume that despite this change the consecration is still valid, nevertheless this does add to the doubt.

E. Considering what has been said, are we obliged in conscience to attend the Novus Ordo Missae?

If the Novus Ordo Missae is not truly Catholic, then it cannot oblige for one’s Sunday obligation. Many Catholics who do assist at it are unaware of its all pervasive degree of serious innovation and are exempt from guilt. However, any Catholic who is aware of its harm, does not have the right to participate. He could only then assist at it by a mere physical presence without positively taking part in it, and then and for major family reasons (weddings, funerals, etc).
More on this topic
A Brief Critical Study of the Novus Ordo Missae
Commonly referred to as the Ottaviani Intervention, this excellent and well-known study on the Novus Ordo Missae was chaired by Archbishop Lefebvre

The Theology and Spirituality of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
Summarizes what the battle over the Mass is about: the purity of the Catholic doctrine

The Problem of the Liturgical Reform: the book sent to the pope
This book contains "The Mass of Vatican II and of Paul VI; A Theological and Liturgical Study by the SSPX" and Bishop Fellay's address when he presented a copy to Pope John Paul II 2000

What Archbishop Lefebvre said about the New Mass... in the beginning
...I am convinced that one cannot take part in the New Mass, and even just to be present one must have a serious reason. We cannot collaborate in spreading a rite which, even if it is not heretical, leads to heresy. This is the rule I am giving my friends... 1-22-2013

What Bishop Fellay really said to Cardinal Canizares about the New Mass
As very often in such circumstances, a phrase has been interpreted badly: I was describing to Cardinal Canizares (and this was some five or six years ago) that the abuses in the liturgy have caused a major reaction amongst us... 1-21-2013

Is the New Mass Legit?
"...this document [Universae Ecclesiae] affords us the chance to go over the reasons why Archbishop Lefebvre always contested the legitimacy of the liturgical revolution of 1969. We will show this in three ways, of increasing importance: the legal aspect, the historical context, and the dogmatic context..." 5-25-2011
   

Pastor's Corner: What Reconciliation?
"...at least it is a recognition that, in the minds of the faithful, there is a real problem with the Novus Ordo. This is what we have said all along! The problem of the new liturgy is a doctrinal rupture"... 5-20-2011

The Indult Mass: Should One Attend it All?
Despite the motu proprio, this article continues to have pertinent points, particularly about fulfilling one's Sunday Obligation vis-à-vis the existing conciliarist environment

Archbishop Lefebvre was right! (http://archives.sspx.org/motu_proprio/ab_was_right.htm)

Some comments on the legitimate resistance of traditional Catholics to the ecclesiastical abuse of power

September 2000 District Superior's Letter
The new rubrics for the Novus Ordo

Superior General's Letter #56, April 1999
30 years of the Novus Ordo Missae

Superior General's Letter #54, March 1998
The corruption of the Mass

Bishop de Castro Mayer's Letter to Pope Paul VI regarding the promulgation of the New Mass
Written on September 12, 1969, this letter pre-dates the famous Brief Critical Study of the New Order of Mass, and briefly highlights some of the doctrinal problems with the New Mass

Motu proprio articles
about the motu proprios, Summorum Pontificum (July 7, 2007) and Ecclesiae Unitatem (July 2, 2009) both promulgated Pope Benedict XVI and their ongoing consequences
 
 
 

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Title: New SSPX.org Website:
Post by: Machabees on June 19, 2013, 11:20:52 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
.
Is this the disputed "two hearts" that looks like 'a distorted, mindless
interpretation of "two hearts"?'


(http://sspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/main_visual/public/two-hearts.jpg?itok=fqwmY8TI)

I hope I'm not further offending anyone by asking more questions.

No.  That image you put up is not it.

The "distorted" interpretation of "two hearts" is so distorted and abstract that one does not even know it is suppose to be "two hearts" that the sspx.org wants us to believe it is so.

Maybe it is a "part" or an outline of two hearts (?); but it is so abstract that one CANNOT see two hearts at all.  So do not look for it.  What it is, is the curved transparent faded gray background they are using on their homepage that goes to a point on the left side and looks like a "shark fin", and on the right side of their page is just another transparent gray curve.  You cannot miss it.  It is the first thing that you see which makes their homepage an overall distraction to concentrate on their "contents".  

Perhaps it is "two hearts" that is a font size so large, that the transparent gray curved lines are suppose to be the "sides" of the "two hearts".  I do not know.

It is just strange.

It is like the present situation in the ExSPX, they tell us one thing and in fact, it is so "distorted" it is something else.