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« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2013, 06:09:13 PM »
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    « Reply #46 on: June 16, 2013, 11:29:54 AM »
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    « Reply #47 on: June 16, 2013, 12:02:05 PM »
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  • I Love the new SSPX
     web site !! go to the sspx.org site ( the US one)-- look for the listing of the Mass locations. Top on the list (was--when I looked this morning at 11:45 AM ) "Washington, DC Area-- Leesburg Tpk, Falls Church. I think this is to compete with Father Ringrose !!

       Can you believe this ----??? The priest who faithfully supported the Society, and its priests, and Archbishop Lefebvre for tons of years !!! This is what they do ???
       They start a competing Mas location near Father Ringrose???

      But-- here's the best yet : The "mass" is at a funeral home!! You have to call the funeral home to find out if a "Mr. Jack MacFarland" is there and can tell you when the funeral, I mean, mass, for the SSPX is being held.

        Apparently, they have funeral masses every week for the dearly departed soul of the SSPX.

        Now--

       You tell me heaven does not have a sense of humor!!!http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=post&s=reply&t=25121#
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    « Reply #48 on: June 16, 2013, 02:06:23 PM »
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  • As a former webmaster, I think the site is too busy (not going to make any comments about the content). There are links everywhere. They need to tone it back a little to say the least. Such "test" images shouldn't be on a Catholic server IMO.

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    « Reply #49 on: June 19, 2013, 04:04:05 PM »
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    As noted by Unbrandable on this other thread.

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    The SSPX has changed the look of its website in order to take advantage of the way people use the internet now.  As other have already said, how it looks isn't the primary concern.  The primary concern is what is the content of the new website.  I'm not too involved with the SSPX so I don't expect that I will peruse the new website all that much.  It does have a "new feel" to it and whether that is good or bad is, I suppose, up to individual tastes.  The larger question is whether there will be a positive response throughout the universe of internet users and whether it will make a positive impression upon those who have never seen the old website.


    You are right that the primary concern is the content. But that is only true because the primary concern is doctrine. The primary concern is the Truth. If you don't have the Truth, you have nothing.

    Therefore, the appearance is also important. The appearance sends the message "We are hip. We are are worldly wise. We are up to date. We are out to please the customer. We are out to please the world."

    So you are wrong to say that whether the new design is good or bad is "up to individual tastes." That is false. The new site tells people that there is no friction between their neo-pagan, anti-Christ culture and Jesus Christ.

    Even if the content of this website was the whole true doctrine and only the true doctrine, it would still be a bad website. The design alone is enough to encourage Catholics to go along with the world.




    In my pursuit of understanding of what it is that members find
    objectionable in the ExSPX Newimage, apparently I have inadvertently
    offended some members.  I don't know how to get my questions
    answered without ruffling feathers, I guess.  

    What I want to know is seen as something that I should find obvious,
    and since I don't find it obvious therefore I become offensive in asking
    questions.  I don't know how to deal with that.  

    Hopefully this will work itself out because my questions are not really
    going anywhere.  



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    « Reply #50 on: June 19, 2013, 04:39:58 PM »
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    In a last effort to see if I'm still barking up the wrong tree, could anyone
    tell me if the following image is the one that is getting everyone all
    upset?  

    I posted copies of three of the four cycling banner images on the linked
    website, but I omitted this one because I couldn't see how it would be
    the one in question, but perhaps it is, and I was wrong?  

    I mean, it is the most non-descript of the four, and being so empty of
    content, I presumed it would not be controversial. Maybe I presumed
    incorrectly?



    (I just realized there is the shadow of a person's thumb in the top left
    corner of this color scanned image, as if they were trying to get the
    'tilted' look of having the paper curved when the scan was taken, and
    they didn't bother to get their lousy finger out of the way -- like when
    your finger partially covers the lens on a camera when you snap a photo.)


    That is the fourth banner on the page and the following are the other
    three:



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    You said:

    So let’s see their new “Traditional Catholic” image on their new sspx.org website:  http://www.sspx.org/

    In first appearance, I am struck to see the distracting MODERN art on the overlay of their homepage; yup, MODERN art overlays on a Traditional Catholic website; that’s some “updating”.  Seems to be in similar spirit of “updating” as like the new Cathedral in Fatima, or at Lourdes.  Is this updating also from that pagan PR firm that Fr. Rostand is ponying up to?

    Follwing your link, I found a few images including this one:  



    Is that what you're talking about?  Or when you say, "MODERN art overlays"
    is that something else?

    I'm not sure I understand what you're upset about here.  

    Is it this?



    Or this?



    I'm trying to understand.


    It is the distracting modern design of the curved "transparent shark fins" as an overlay on their homepage.

    So similar to the modern art found in today's modern cathedrals.

    If the N-SSPX wants to act like conciliar Rome, I guess they are subtly trying to look like them.


    If you would actually read, instead of mindlessly attack, you would know that the "Modern art overlay" is the "two Hearts" logo of the SSPX.

    http://sspx.org/en/hom-slide-identity

    It's nonsensical posts like the one quoted that eventually caused me to stop taking the Resistance seriously.


    If it is supposed to "look like two hearts" then let it "look" like two hearts; NOT a distorted, mindless interpretation of "two hearts".

    It figures, that someone has to go and search out in their own website what that "transparent shark fin" is suppose to look like...it is typical of the N-SSPX, you have to go "searching" to find some answers!

    Until they fix it to make it "look" like "two hearts" it is still a piece of abstract modern art -period- just like today's new-faith cathedrals.  




    Is this the disputed "two hearts" that looks like 'a distorted, mindless
    interpretation of "two hearts"?'






    I hope I'm not further offending anyone by asking more questions.



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    « Reply #51 on: June 19, 2013, 05:07:41 PM »
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  • They answer everything here: (my emphases)

    How did we decide on this new format? Below you will find a brief response.

    Who are we?

    Before beginning these renovations, we asked the basic question: What is the SSPX all about?

    Under this broad heading, we drew up 160 more specific questions. For example, we considered: Which key words could define the SSPX? What is the reason for its existence? What makes the SSPX special and unique? Does the SSPX have any enemies? What image does the SSPX project today? How do others recognize the SSPX? What kind of audiences are we seeking to reach?

    Four hallmarks (hint: they aren't One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic)

    As we answered these questions, four main qualities repeatedly factored into our answers:

    Purity: The combat for the faith in its integrity is the core mission of the SSPX. From the beginning, guided by its founder Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the SSPX has constantly promoted, defended, and upheld the purity of Catholic teaching. We do not tolerate any stain of compromise, neither in principles nor in actions.

    Intelligence: In order to manifest this profoundly Catholic faith, the SSPX studies and preaches the time-honored traditional teachings of the Church. We strive to present the truth in an unbiased, responsible, rational, and clear manner.

    Selflessness: The Society is a work of the Church and thus exists to serve. Specifically, we serve the Church by maintaining its core traditions. We protect the treasures of the Catholic Faith, regardless of difficulty or misguided opposition. We sacrifice ourselves completely for this cause. We seek God’s glory and honor, along with the salvation of souls, above all else.

    Noble Beauty: As the SSPX fights to maintain the integrity and purity of the Catholic faith, it must always keep in mind its final end: the honor and glory of God. God, moreover, is the source of all goodness and beauty; therefore we value and appreciate all that is truly good and beautiful. We seek especially to share the treasures of the faith with others, thus communicating to them the beautiful life of grace.

    Manifesting who we are

    We have tried to incorporate these four essential qualities into our new website and into the refurbished Angelus magazine; thus we developed a new look with our four hallmarks in mind. Here are the key features of our publications:

    Pure white: The dominant color is a clean white, corresponding to the purity of Catholic doctrine.

    Intelligence: Priority is given to content. We communicate our message clearly, and we present information directly. Text is placed on a peaceful white background. Sober and straightforward typography keeps the reader focused on our rich content. The design is devoid of all superfluity.

    An inconspicuous but unique presence: Our sole identifying marks are:

    the subtle SSPX logo which appears on top of all our publications,
    the Two Hearts emblem which usually appears in the top right corner, and
    the delicate shadow overlay of the Two Hearts which serves as an authenticating watermark stretched across the entire page.

    Noble beauty: There are only a few subtle colors and designs used to create the settings for our content. All the beauty and quality of our publications must, therefore, be found in our vibrant visual aids and, of course, in our profound message itself. We often use pictures to create a lively and intriguing ambiance, hoping that sensory beauty will aid our audience in appreciating the more profound intellectual beauty we offer.
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  • Looks like they're using a Wordpress CMS theme.


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    FWIW the new website system has a page devoted to answering
    questions about the new design, in many particulars:


     http://sspx.org/en/media/photos/clear-appearance-sspx-1782


    Perhaps members who are upset with the way things look could
    go to that page and find the thing that's bothering them
    addressed?





    A new look for the SSPX
    You are here:

        Home
        HOM-Slide Identity

    The way a business or religious organization presents itself is very important, and developing a solid public presence requires careful reflection and planning. Below we explain the driving forces and ideals behind our new series of publications.

    The goal of these updates is to provide you with accurate information about the SSPX and its apostolate in a timely manner.

    These ascetic and organizational advancements thus promote the unchanging mission of the SSPX by making information more accessible and by presenting it more clearly.

    How did we decide on this new format? Below you will find a brief response.




    The Two Hearts

    You want to know more about the Style of this website?
    The story of the Two Hearts
    4 Hallmarks
    Visual format



    (Following that link you find the following words):


    Spreading the Catholic faith

        Clear appearance of the SSPX

    The way a business or religious organization presents itself is very important, and developing a solid public presence requires careful reflection and planning.

    Here we explain the driving forces and ideals behind our new series of publications.

     

    When you go to that page, and you click on the image of the two hearts
    in the middle of the page, a slide show loads that describes where these
    so-called 'shark fins' come from.  They show a light source, shining on
    the two hearts logo, and the shadow that is consequent, a larger image,
    and then they take parts of that larger shadow image to use for
    'overlays' (they don't use that term though) for stationery, website pages,
    publications, ad banners, and all that.  



    Is this process of imaging and shadowing and partitioning what members
    are finding offensive?  


    Here are some of the slides:







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    « Reply #54 on: June 19, 2013, 08:22:15 PM »
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  • Not that the Society will come to Cathinfo for a review of their website, but having spent the last week or so navigating around the site, my simple review is that it is one of the most boring and laborious sites I have ever seen.  

    White:  Color is the name of the game on the internet, in fact, all media.  Color grabs your attention and makes you want to dig deeper.  I read the explanation of the white and purity idea, but really, don't tell me what you are trying to be, be it.  Don't need to try to prove it with your color scheme.  Trying too hard here and missing the target. Same with the Angelus Magazine cover.  Again, trying too hard but missing the mark when it comes to content as far as "purity" of thought.  

    Font: The font size is too small and font choice is just plain BORING.  Of the literally dozens and dozens of interesting fonts out there, the one chosen is probably the least interesting that could come about.  Yes, yes, it is easy to read, but my personal attraction to old books is the classic style of print used in them, even Gothic.  

    Too many clicks:  Is it my imagination, or is it more difficult to navigate around?  Makes you want to give up and not bother, given the white washed effect the whole mundane production has become.  

    Angelus Press: when I click on the Angelus Press blog site, I get a pop up notice the site has a "trojan horse".  This was mentioned over a week ago, yet it is still there.  Is this intentional or are the web designers just not up to the task?  One would think feedback would have reached the offices of the web designer by now.  

    All in all, compared with the old classic look of the now "archived" site, the new one is a dud.  

    Now if the SSPX leadership is smart, they will make an objective study to see how folks like the site and be ready, and not afraid, to back off and realize they missed the mark.  They changed all 4 tires when none were worn out.  If they behave like political folks, however, they will ask each other and some friends how they like it, all will look at each other (not wanting to disappoint) and nod their heads that it is the best thing since sliced bread.  

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  • Quote from: Stella
    They answer everything here: (my emphases)

    How did we decide on this new format? Below you will find a brief response.

    Who are we?

    Before beginning these renovations, we asked the basic question: What is the SSPX all about?

    ... What kind of audiences are we seeking to reach?

    Four hallmarks (hint: they aren't One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic)

    ...
    Purity:

    Intelligence:


    Selflessness:

    Noble Beauty:

    Manifesting who we are

    We have tried to incorporate these four essential qualities into our new website and into the refurbished Angelus magazine; thus we developed a new look with our four hallmarks in mind. Here are the key features of our publications:

    Pure white:

    Intelligence:

    An inconspicuous but unique presence:

    Noble beauty:




    It seems to me they forgot one category:

    Pride: By rising to the challenge of pridefulness, we cover ourselves
    with the purity of white, even though we are not pure, we claim to display
    intelligence even while we contradict ourselves, we equate 'selflessness'
    with "an inconspicuous but unique presence," and we award ourselves for
    having achieved "Noble Beauty."  Therefore, we think we've successfully
    made the mark of Pride that we were hoping to achieve without having to
    put it into words.  



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    I have to say, that looking around, I found a page that seems pretty good,
    and reminds me of what this site used to be -- but then, it has nothing of
    the new look, and it appears to have been imported directly from the old
    site in both appearance and content (I haven't gone through the whole
    thing, but at first glance it seems to be entirely outside the new "Branding"
    agenda since it is critical of the Newmass in general and in particulars):  




    Source
    [Sorry, I don't know how to make the logo smaller -
    this is only about 1-1/2" square on the source page.]



    Question 5
    What is wrong with the Novus
    Ordo Missae
    ?





       
         

       
     

    A. Preliminary remarks

        A criticism of the New Rite cannot be a criticism of the Mass in itself, for this is the very sacrifice of Our Lord bequeathed to His Church, but it is an examination, whether it is a fit rite for embodying and enacting this august Sacrifice.

    A typical New Mass

        It is difficult for those who have known nothing other than the Novus Ordo Missae to understand of what they have been deprived, and attending a “Latin Mass” often just seems alien. To see clearly what it is all about, it is necessary to have a clear understanding of the defined truths of our Faith on the Mass (principles 11-18 are some of them). Only in the light of these can the “new rite” of Mass be evaluated.

    B. What is the Novus Ordo Missae?

    Let us answer this by looking at its four causes, as the philosophers would say:

    What are the elements that make up the New Rite? Some are Catholic:

      -  a priest,
      -  bread and wine,
      -  genuflections,
      -  signs of the Cross, etc.,

    but some are Protestant:

      -  a table,
      -  common-place utensils,
      -  communion under both kinds and in the hand, etc.

    Now, the Novus Ordo Missae assumes these heterodox elements alongside the Catholic ones to form a liturgy for a modernist religion which would marry the Church and the world, Catholicism and Protestantism, light and darkness. Indeed, the Novus Ordo Missae presents itself as:

        a meal (vs. principle 11). This is shown by its use of a table around which the people of God gather to offer bread and wine (vs. principle 18) and to communicate from rather common-place utensils, often under both kinds (vs. principle 15), and usually in the hand (vs. principle 16). (Note too the almost complete deletion of references to sacrifice).

        a narrative of a past event (vs. principle 12). This told out loud by the one presiding (vs. principle 14), who recounts Our Lord’s words as read in Scripture (rather than pronouncing a sacramental formula) and who makes no pause until he has shown the Host to the people.

        a community gathering, (vs. principle 13). Christ is perhaps considered to be morally present but ignored in his Sacramental Presence (vs. principles 16 & 17).

    Notice also the numerous rubrical changes:

        the celebrant facing the people from where the tabernacle was formerly kept.
        just after the consecration, all acclaim He “will come again.”
        sacred vessels are no longer gilt.
        Sacred Particles are ignored (vs. principle 15)

            the priest no longer joins thumb and forefinger after the consecration.
            the vessels are not purified as they used to be.
            Communion is most frequently given in the hand.
            genuflections on the part of the priest and kneeling on the part of the faithful are much reduced.
            the people take over much of what the priest formerly did.

    Moreover, the Novus Ordo Missae defined itself this way:

        The Lord’s Supper, or Mass, is a sacred synaxis, or assembly of the people of God gathered together under the presidency of the priest to celebrate the memorial of the Lord. (Pope Paul VI, Institutio Generalis, §7, 1969 version)

    What is the aim of the Novus Ordo Missae as a rite?

        ...the intention of Pope Paul VI with regard to what is commonly called the Mass, was to reform the Catholic liturgy in such a way that it should almost coincide with the Protestant liturgy... there was with Pope Paul VI an ecumenical intention to remove, or at least to correct, or at least to relax, what was too Catholic, in the traditional sense, in the Mass and, I repeat, to get the Catholic Mass closer to the Calvinist mass...*

    *Jean Guitton on December 19, 1993 in Apropos (17), p. 8ff [also in Christian Order, October 1994]. Jean Guitton was an intimate friend of Pope Paul VI.  Paul VI had 116 of his books and had made marginal study notes in 17 of these:

        When I began work on this trilogy I was concerned at the extent to which the Catholic liturgy was being Protestantized. The more detailed my study of the Revolution, the more evident it has become that it has by-passed Protestantism and its final goal is humanism. (Pope Paul's New Mass, pp. 137 and 149)

    This latter is a fair evaluation when one considers the changes implemented, the results achieved, and the tendency of modern theology, even papal theology (cf. question 7).

    5. WHO made up the Novus Ordo Missae?

    It is the invention of a liturgical commission, the Consilium, whose guiding light was Fr. Annibale Bugnini (made an archbishop in 1972 for his services), and which also included six Protestant experts. Fr. Bugnini (principal author of Vatican II’s Sacrosanctum Concilium) had his own ideas on popular involvement in the liturgy (La Riforma Liturgia, A. Bugnini, Centro Liturgico Vincenziano, 1983), while the Protestant advisors had their own heretical ideas on the essence of the Mass.
       

    Archbishop Annibale Bugnini
    Archbishop Bugnini, one of the architects of the New Mass

    But the one on whose authority the Novus Ordo Missae was enforced was Pope Paul VI, who “promulgated” it by his apostolic constitution, Missale Romanum (April 3, 1969).

    6. Or did Pope Paul VI REALLY DO SO?

        In the original version of Missale Romanum, signed by Pope Paul VI, no mention was made either of anyone’s being obliged to use the Novus Ordo Missae or when such an obligation might begin.

        Translators of the constitution mistranslated cogere et efficere (i.e., to sum up and draw a conclusion) as to give force of law.

        The version in the Acta Apostolicae Sedis (which records all official texts of the papacy) has an added paragraph “enjoining” the new missal, but it is in the wrong tense, the past, and reads praescripsimus (i.e., which we have ordered) thereby referring to a past obligation, and nothing, moreover, in Missale Romanum prescribes, but at most permits the use of the “New Rite" (The Angelus, March 1997, p. 35).

    Can it be true that Pope Paul VI wanted this missal but that it was not properly imposed (it is known moreover, that Pope Paul VI signed the Institutio Generalis without reading it and without ensuring that it had been previously confirmed by the Holy Office).

    C. Judgment on the Novus Ordo Missae

    1. Judging the Novus Ordo Missae in itself and in its official Latin form (printed in 1969)*, Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci wrote to Pope Paul VI:

        ...the Novus Ordo represents, both as a whole and in its details, a striking departure from the Catholic theology of the Mass as it was formulated in Session XXIII of the Council of Trent. (A Brief Critical Study of the Novus Ordo Missae, September 25, 1969)

    *A Novus Ordo Missae celebrated according to the 1969 typical edition would look very similar to the traditional Roman Rite, with the celebrant saying most (if not all) the prayers in Latin, facing the tabernacle and wearing the traditional Mass vestments, with a male altar server, and Gregorian chant, etc.  None of the current abuses, e.g., Communion in the hand, Eucharistic Ministers, liturgical dancing, guitar-masses, etc., have part with this official form. Hence, the aforementioned cardinals' (as well as the SSPX's) critique of the Novus Ordo Missae is not of its abuses or misapplication, but rather of its essential and official form.

    And Archbishop Lefebvre definitely agreed with them when he wrote:

        The Novus Ordo Missae, even when said with piety and respect for the liturgical rules, ...is impregnated with the spirit of  Protestantism. It bears within it a poison harmful to the faith  (An Open Letter to Confused Catholics, p. 29 [appendix 2])

    The dissimulation of Catholic elements and the pandering to Protestants which are evident in the Novus Ordo Missae render it a danger to our faith, and, as such, evil, given that it lacks the good which the sacred rite of Mass ought to have.

    2. By their fruits you shall know them:

    We were promised the Novus Ordo Missae would renew Catholic fervor, inspire the young, draw back the lapsed and attract non-Catholics.

    Who today can pretend that these things are its fruits? Together with the Novus Ordo Missae did there not instead come a dramatic decline in Mass attendance and vocations, an “identity crisis” among priests, a slowing in the rate of conversions, and an acceleration of apostasies? So, from the point of view of its fruits, the Novus Ordo Missae is not a rite conducive to the flourishing of the Church’s mission.

    3. Does it follow from the apparent promulgation by the popes that the Novus Ordo Missae is truly Catholic?  No, for the indefectibility of the Church does not prevent the pope personally from promoting defective and modernist rites in the Latin rite of the Church. Moreover, the Novus Ordo Missae:

        was not properly promulgated (and therefore does not have force of law; cf., [vi] above),

        the old Roman Mass (aka, the Tridentine or traditional Latin Mass) was not abolished or superseded in the constitution Missale Romanum, hence in virtue of the of Quo Primum (which de jure [by law] is still the liturgical law and therefore the official Mass of the Roman Rite), it can always be said (principle 19),

        and lastly, the constitution Missale Romanum does not engage the Church's infallibility.*

    *Let us remember that a pope engages his infallibility not only when teaching on faith or morals (or legislating on what is necessarily connected with them) but when so doing with full pontifical authority and definitively (cf. Vatican I [Dz 1839].  But as regards the Novus Ordo Missae, Pope Paul VI has stated (November 19, 1969) that:

        ...the rite and its related rubric are not in themselves a dogmatic definition. They are capable of various theological qualifications, depending on the liturgical context to which they relate. They are gestures and terms relating to a lived and living religious action which involves the ineffable mystery of God's presence; it is an action that is not always carried out in the exact same form, an action that only theological analysis can examine and express in doctrinal formulas that are logically satisfying.

    NB: It should be also be understood that the papal bull, Quo Primum is neither an infallible document, but rather only a disciplinary document regarding the liturgical law that governs the Tridentine Rite (cf. this Catholic FAQ for details).

    D. This being so, can it be said that the Novus Ordo Missae is invalid?

    This does not necessarily follow from the above defects, as serious as they might be, for only three things are required for validity (presupposing a validly ordained priest), proper:

        matter,
        form,
        and intention.

    However, the celebrant must intend to do what the Church does. The Novus Ordo Missae will no longer in and of itself guarantee that the celebrant has this intention. That will depend on his personal faith (generally unknown to those assisting, but more and more doubtful as the crisis in the Church is prolonged).

    Therefore, these Masses can be of doubtful validity, and more so with time.

    The words of consecration, especially of the wine, have been tampered with. Has the “substance of the sacrament” (cf., Pope Pius XII quoted in principle 5) been respected? This is even more of a problem in Masses in the vernacular, where pro multis (for many) has been deliberately mistranslated as "for all". While we should assume that despite this change the consecration is still valid, nevertheless this does add to the doubt.

    E. Considering what has been said, are we obliged in conscience to attend the Novus Ordo Missae?

    If the Novus Ordo Missae is not truly Catholic, then it cannot oblige for one’s Sunday obligation. Many Catholics who do assist at it are unaware of its all pervasive degree of serious innovation and are exempt from guilt. However, any Catholic who is aware of its harm, does not have the right to participate. He could only then assist at it by a mere physical presence without positively taking part in it, and then and for major family reasons (weddings, funerals, etc).
    More on this topic
    A Brief Critical Study of the Novus Ordo Missae
    Commonly referred to as the Ottaviani Intervention, this excellent and well-known study on the Novus Ordo Missae was chaired by Archbishop Lefebvre

    The Theology and Spirituality of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
    Summarizes what the battle over the Mass is about: the purity of the Catholic doctrine

    The Problem of the Liturgical Reform: the book sent to the pope
    This book contains "The Mass of Vatican II and of Paul VI; A Theological and Liturgical Study by the SSPX" and Bishop Fellay's address when he presented a copy to Pope John Paul II 2000

    What Archbishop Lefebvre said about the New Mass... in the beginning
    ...I am convinced that one cannot take part in the New Mass, and even just to be present one must have a serious reason. We cannot collaborate in spreading a rite which, even if it is not heretical, leads to heresy. This is the rule I am giving my friends... 1-22-2013

    What Bishop Fellay really said to Cardinal Canizares about the New Mass
    As very often in such circumstances, a phrase has been interpreted badly: I was describing to Cardinal Canizares (and this was some five or six years ago) that the abuses in the liturgy have caused a major reaction amongst us... 1-21-2013

    Is the New Mass Legit?
    "...this document [Universae Ecclesiae] affords us the chance to go over the reasons why Archbishop Lefebvre always contested the legitimacy of the liturgical revolution of 1969. We will show this in three ways, of increasing importance: the legal aspect, the historical context, and the dogmatic context..." 5-25-2011
       

    Pastor's Corner: What Reconciliation?
    "...at least it is a recognition that, in the minds of the faithful, there is a real problem with the Novus Ordo. This is what we have said all along! The problem of the new liturgy is a doctrinal rupture"... 5-20-2011

    The Indult Mass: Should One Attend it All?
    Despite the motu proprio, this article continues to have pertinent points, particularly about fulfilling one's Sunday Obligation vis-à-vis the existing conciliarist environment

    Archbishop Lefebvre was right!

    Some comments on the legitimate resistance of traditional Catholics to the ecclesiastical abuse of power


    September 2000 District Superior's Letter
    The new rubrics for the Novus Ordo

    Superior General's Letter #56, April 1999
    30 years of the Novus Ordo Missae

    Superior General's Letter #54, March 1998
    The corruption of the Mass

    Bishop de Castro Mayer's Letter to Pope Paul VI regarding the promulgation of the New Mass
    Written on September 12, 1969, this letter pre-dates the famous Brief Critical Study of the New Order of Mass, and briefly highlights some of the doctrinal problems with the New Mass

    Motu proprio articles
    about the motu proprios, Summorum Pontificum (July 7, 2007) and Ecclesiae Unitatem (July 2, 2009) both promulgated Pope Benedict XVI and their ongoing consequences
     
     
     

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    Is this the disputed "two hearts" that looks like 'a distorted, mindless
    interpretation of "two hearts"?'




    I hope I'm not further offending anyone by asking more questions.

    No.  That image you put up is not it.

    The "distorted" interpretation of "two hearts" is so distorted and abstract that one does not even know it is suppose to be "two hearts" that the sspx.org wants us to believe it is so.

    Maybe it is a "part" or an outline of two hearts (?); but it is so abstract that one CANNOT see two hearts at all.  So do not look for it.  What it is, is the curved transparent faded gray background they are using on their homepage that goes to a point on the left side and looks like a "shark fin", and on the right side of their page is just another transparent gray curve.  You cannot miss it.  It is the first thing that you see which makes their homepage an overall distraction to concentrate on their "contents".  

    Perhaps it is "two hearts" that is a font size so large, that the transparent gray curved lines are suppose to be the "sides" of the "two hearts".  I do not know.

    It is just strange.

    It is like the present situation in the ExSPX, they tell us one thing and in fact, it is so "distorted" it is something else.

     

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