Author Topic: NEW SSPX ATTACK ON A DEFENDER OF THE TRUTH (Read 6932 times)

hansel · « **on:** December 10, 2012, 07:50:03 AM »

Just this week, the SSPX has again responded by punishing a parishioner for speaking the TRUTH regarding Bp Fellay's path with Rome. This parishioner, an exemplary father (once a seminarian at Winona during the days of Bp. W) of 10, attends an SSPX chapel in New Jersey. He has given his life to God and operates an internet home-based business to teach homeschoolers and others Latin, logic, Gregorian chant (check out Family Cloister Learning Center). He and his family have spread the message of Tradition to traditionalists, conciliar Catholics, and even non-Catholics. They, through word and the example of their godly family, have brought TRUTH to many who are searching desperately for it, and who knows how many conversions and souls, open to God's grace, will be saved as a result? He also teaches homeschoolers in a class room setting, which for years has been held in the church, as it is centrally located for the various interested families to attend. When the SSPX priest of the chapel held a meeting discussing Bp. Fellay's positions, this man questioned verbally the explanations that were given. Recently, he, in an adult conference series that he teaches after Mass, discussed his concerns with the path the SSPX has been taking. He has, as a result, been informed that he may no longer utilize the church building for his classes, including the children's classes which meet during the week. If you or anyone you know would like to learn Latin, etc, he is an excellent teacher- his students win all kinds of awards-and is available to teach on-line anywhere. Thank you and God bless you.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** December 10, 2012, 08:04:28 AM »

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Just this week, the SSPX has again responded by punishing a parishioner for speaking the TRUTH regarding Bp Fellay's path with Rome. This parishioner, an exemplary father (once a seminarian at Winona during the days of Bp. W) of 10, attends an SSPX chapel in New Jersey. He has given his life to God and operates an internet home-based business to teach homeschoolers and others Latin, logic, Gregorian chant (check out Family Cloister Learning Center). He and his family have spread the message of Tradition to traditionalists, conciliar Catholics, and even non-Catholics. They, through word and the example of their godly family, have brought TRUTH to many who are searching desperately for it, and who knows how many conversions and souls, open to God's grace, will be saved as a result? He also teaches homeschoolers in a class room setting, which for years has been held in the church, as it is centrally located for the various interested families to attend. When the SSPX priest of the chapel held a meeting discussing Bp. Fellay's positions, this man questioned verbally the explanations that were given. Recently, he, in an adult conference series that he teaches after Mass, discussed his concerns with the path the SSPX has been taking. He has, as a result, been informed that he may no longer utilize the church building for his classes, including the children's classes which meet during the week. If you or anyone you know would like to learn Latin, etc, he is an excellent teacher- his students win all kinds of awards-and is available to teach on-line anywhere. Thank you and God bless you.

Those acting at the behest of the Prince of this World are always very intolerant. It's just too bad that so many "traditional" Catholics have allowed themselves to be complacent about the unfairness and cruelty of the liberal Catholics. It really does seem they've learned nothing! They really do think Benedict XVI wants to help them keep and practice their faith!

http://gloria.tv/?media=142663

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_Des_Fiches

John Grace · « **Reply #2 on:** December 10, 2012, 08:09:28 AM »

Family Cloister Learning Center
http://www.familycloister.com/

John Grace · « **Reply #3 on:** December 10, 2012, 08:18:16 AM »

Like the expulsion of Bishop Williamson, all these 'punishments' are necessary to facilitate the deal. It is to be expected from Bishop Fellay and 'his gang'.

wallflower · « **Reply #4 on:** December 10, 2012, 08:21:28 AM »

Gestapo Style

Thank God this does not work but only raises the antennae of other magnanimous souls.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #5 on:** December 10, 2012, 09:03:44 AM »

This is really depressing. Surely the priest could have worked things out! Homeschoolers have it tough enough as it is. Using the church space would have made all the difference in the world to those families, and the kids could make visits to the Blessed Sacrament during the day.

bowler · « **Reply #6 on:** December 10, 2012, 09:18:26 AM »

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Just this week, the SSPX has again responded by punishing a parishioner for speaking the TRUTH regarding Bp Fellay's path with Rome. When the SSPX priest of the chapel held a meeting discussing Bp. Fellay's positions, this man questioned verbally the explanations that were given. Recently, he, in an adult conference series that he teaches after Mass, discussed his concerns with the path the SSPX has been taking.

At least that SSPX priest "held a meeting discussing Bp. Fellay's positions", and allowed questions. The more common methhod in SSPX chapels has been to not say anything about the matter altoghther as if it didn't exist.

John Grace · « **Reply #7 on:** December 10, 2012, 09:21:28 AM »

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Just this week, the SSPX has again responded by punishing a parishioner for speaking the TRUTH regarding Bp Fellay's path with Rome. When the SSPX priest of the chapel held a meeting discussing Bp. Fellay's positions, this man questioned verbally the explanations that were given. Recently, he, in an adult conference series that he teaches after Mass, discussed his concerns with the path the SSPX has been taking.

At least that SSPX priest "held a meeting discussing Bp. Fellay's positions", and allowed questions. The more common methhod in SSPX chapels has been to not say anything about the matter altoghther as if it didn't exist.

A fair analysis. Some priests are not saying anything for a variety of reasons. Naturally, a priest, who is pro-agreement won't raise the issues.

What I find remarkable is how priests of the Society treat the laity like fools. Facts dismissed as internet rumour, laity called wackos etc etc. Very disingenuous.

wallflower · « **Reply #8 on:** December 10, 2012, 09:41:11 AM »

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Just this week, the SSPX has again responded by punishing a parishioner for speaking the TRUTH regarding Bp Fellay's path with Rome. When the SSPX priest of the chapel held a meeting discussing Bp. Fellay's positions, this man questioned verbally the explanations that were given. Recently, he, in an adult conference series that he teaches after Mass, discussed his concerns with the path the SSPX has been taking.

At least that SSPX priest "held a meeting discussing Bp. Fellay's positions", and allowed questions. The more common methhod in SSPX chapels has been to not say anything about the matter altoghther as if it didn't exist.

I disagree. They would not have punished this parishioner if they truly allowed questions. Based on the reaction I'd say they were sniffing out "dissenters", perhaps on the pretense that an open floor was being encouraged. In reality they just wanted to shove more propaganda down throats and whoever didn't go with the program got cut.

John Grace · « **Reply #9 on:** December 10, 2012, 09:46:29 AM »

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Just this week, the SSPX has again responded by punishing a parishioner for speaking the TRUTH regarding Bp Fellay's path with Rome. When the SSPX priest of the chapel held a meeting discussing Bp. Fellay's positions, this man questioned verbally the explanations that were given. Recently, he, in an adult conference series that he teaches after Mass, discussed his concerns with the path the SSPX has been taking.

At least that SSPX priest "held a meeting discussing Bp. Fellay's positions", and allowed questions. The more common methhod in SSPX chapels has been to not say anything about the matter altoghther as if it didn't exist.

I disagree. They would not have punished this parishioner if they truly allowed questions. Based on the reaction I'd say they were sniffing out "dissenters", perhaps on the pretense that an open floor was being encouraged. In reality they just wanted to shove more propaganda down throats and whoever didn't go with the program got cut.

Of course the Church of Bishop Fellay wants the "dissenters" and 'rebels" out. Didn't Krah make this clear in the discussion. Even Fr Steiner stated clearly that expelling Bishop Williamson facilitates the agreement with Rome.

John Grace · « **Reply #10 on:** December 10, 2012, 09:53:13 AM »

As Maximilian Krah stated.

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11233&st=50

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There are people in our ranks who were attrackted not by the faith, but by the unjust situation of being outcast. This is why, in the words of Bishop Fellay, "we are attractive for weirdos, although we don´t want that." Outsiders love to be outcast. For them, the SSPX is not the arch of the faith, but the refugium in which they hope to be protected from real life. They want to be sect instead of church. They don´t see the unjust stage of being outcasted by the Vatican 2-authorities as a burden, but as a chance. They don´t want to overcome the crisis, as the crisis is somehow comfortable to them.

Who are the "weirdos" that they don't want?

bowler · « **Reply #11 on:** December 10, 2012, 10:01:24 AM »

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Just this week, the SSPX has again responded by punishing a parishioner for speaking the TRUTH regarding Bp Fellay's path with Rome. When the SSPX priest of the chapel held a meeting discussing Bp. Fellay's positions, this man questioned verbally the explanations that were given. Recently, he, in an adult conference series that he teaches after Mass, discussed his concerns with the path the SSPX has been taking.

At least that SSPX priest "held a meeting discussing Bp. Fellay's positions", and allowed questions. The more common methhod in SSPX chapels has been to not say anything about the matter altoghther as if it didn't exist.

I disagree. They would not have punished this parishioner if they truly allowed questions. Based on the reaction I'd say they were sniffing out "dissenters", perhaps on the pretense that an open floor was being encouraged. In reality they just wanted to shove more propaganda down throats and whoever didn't go with the program got cut.

You are correct, however, I'd love to be given a chance to have the whole congregation hear me question the pastor, whether the SSPX is just "sniffing me out or not". As is now, no one knows anything.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #12 on:** December 10, 2012, 10:16:02 AM »

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Who are the "weirdos" that they don't want?

Believing Catholics opposed to Zionism. (as all knowledgeable believing Catholics are)

John Grace · « **Reply #13 on:** December 10, 2012, 10:21:26 AM »

If the SSPX is to be under direction of a local Diocesan Bishop, they will be restricted to what they can/can't do. I realise the SSPX in Ireland hold retreats on property owned by Novus Ordo orders but kicking out folk from church halls is tragic.

John Grace · « **Reply #14 on:** December 10, 2012, 10:23:35 AM »

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Who are the "weirdos" that they don't want?

Believing Catholics opposed to Zionism. (as all knowledgeable believing Catholics are)

If that is the case they would have given Archbishop Lefebvre the boot? It seems to be more of who Maximilian Krah wants attending Society chapels. Hopefully Bishop Fellay can clarify, who he believes these 'weirdos' are or perhaps Krah just said this.