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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: New SSPX article on the Covid Vaccines is disappointing
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2021, 08:50:19 AM »
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  • I cast no aspersions regarding motives, but it is undeniable that the effect of the SSPX’s sustained polemic on the death jab advances -wittingly or unwittingly- the accomplishment of the NWO hell planet.
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    Re: New SSPX article on the Covid Vaccines is disappointing
    « Reply #16 on: September 25, 2021, 10:10:45 AM »
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  • Given the fact that the nasal pharynx of the jabbed carries a viral load 251x that of a person infected with COVID19
    Very interesting, never heard it before, what is your source for that comment?


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    Re: New SSPX article on the Covid Vaccines is disappointing
    « Reply #17 on: September 25, 2021, 10:44:23 AM »
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  • Very interesting, never heard it before, what is your source for that comment?

    RFK Jr’s website (Children’s Defense Fund).  Tons of “fact checkers” trying to debunk it:

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaccinated-healthcare-workers-threat-unvaccinated-patients-co-workers/

    But also see the clarification retraction?) below, which is new:



    UPDATED 08/23/21

    COVID VIEWS
    Study: Fully Vaccinated Healthcare Workers Carry 251 Times Viral Load, Pose Threat to Unvaccinated Patients, Co-Workers
    A preprint paper by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group, published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated.
    By
    Peter A. McCullough, M.D., MP





    Link copieA new study found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated.
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    A groundbreaking preprint paper by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group, published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, includes alarming findings devastating to the COVID vaccine rollout.
    The study found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated.
    While moderating the symptoms of infection, the jab allows vaccinated individuals to carry unusually high viral loads without becoming ill at first, potentially transforming them into presymptomatic superspreaders.
    This phenomenon may be the source of the shocking post-vaccination surges in heavily vaccinated populations globally.
    The paper’s authors, Chau et al, demonstrated widespread vaccine failure and transmission under tightly controlled circuмstances in a hospital lockdown in Ho Chi Minh City, Viet Nam.
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    The scientists studied healthcare workers who were unable to leave the hospital for two weeks. The data showed that fully vaccinated workers — about two months after injection with the Oxford/AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine (AZD1222) — acquired, carried and presumably transmitted the Delta variant to their vaccinated colleagues.
    They almost certainly also passed the Delta infection to susceptible unvaccinated people, including their patients. Sequencing of strains confirmed the workers transmitted SARS-CoV-2 to one another.
    This is consistent with the observations in the U.S. from Farinholt and colleagues, and congruent with comments by the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention conceding COVID-19 vaccines have failed to stop transmission of SARS-CoV-2. 
    On Feb. 11, the աօʀʟd ɦɛaʟtɦ օʀɢaռiʐatɨօռ indicated the AZD1222 vaccine efficacy of 63.09% against the development of symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection. The conclusions of the Chau paper support the warnings by leading medical experts that the partial, non-sterilizing immunity from the three notoriously “leaky” COVID-19 vaccines allow carriage of 251 times the viral load of SARS-CoV-2 as compared to samples from the pre-vaccination era in 2020.
    Thus, we have a key piece to the puzzle explaining why the Delta outbreak is so formidable — fully vaccinated are participating as COVID-19 patients and acting as powerful Typhoid Mary-style super-spreaders of the infection.
    Vaccinated individuals are blasting out concentrated viral explosions into their communities and fueling new COVID surges. Vaccinated healthcare workers are almost certainly infecting their coworkers and patients, causing horrendous collateral damage.
    Continued vaccination will only make this problem worse, particularly among frontline doctors and nurses workers who are caring for vulnerable patients.
    Health systems should drop vaccine mandatesimmediately, take stock of COVID-19 recovered workers who are robustly immune to Delta and consider the ramifications of their current vaccinated healthcare workers as potential threats to high risk patients and coworkers.
    CLARIFICATION: The comparison of viral load between vaccinated and unvaccinated (pre-vaccine era) as reported in the Chau et al. 2021 Lancet preprint is between two different variants of SARS-CoV-2. Dr. McCullough states directly that samples were compared to those “from the pre-vaccination era of 2020.” Thus, differences between these two groups aren’t a result of vaccination status alone. The authors of the Chau et al. 2021 study in their rebuttal to our piece point out another preprint (Li et al. 2021) which reported a difference in viral load of ~1000 between patients infected with the Delta variant and patients infected with A/B. However, the vaccination status of the Delta variant patients in this preprint is not reported. Thus, no one here has done a direct comparison between unvaccinated Delta patients and unvaccinated A/B patients to determine the true difference in viral load. In two additional preprint scientific publications (Riemersma et al. 2021, Chia et al. 2021), comparable viral loads of the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 are reported among vaccinated and unvaccinated patients. However, this itself is an indictment of vaccine efficacy as both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals possess the ability to spread the Delta variant. Simply stated, COVID vaccines have failed to stop transmission of SARS-CoV-2.[/font][/size][/color]


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    Re: New SSPX article on the Covid Vaccines is disappointing
    « Reply #18 on: September 25, 2021, 10:56:49 AM »
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  • Diocesan/Conciliar media liking what it’s reading from the SSPX on abortion jabs (and it sure didn’t take them long to find Fr. Selegny’s article):

    https://thecentralminnesotacatholic.org/sspx-leader-says-vaccination-can-be-morally-prudent/


    SSPX leader says vaccination can be morally ‘prudent’
    September 24, 2021 Catholic News Service Nation/WorldNo comments

    By Cindy Wooden | Catholic News Service
    ROME (CNS) — While denouncing as an “abuse of power” coercive measures to promote vaccination against COVID-19, a leader of the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X said getting vaccinated “may sometimes be an eminently prudent act in the moral sense of the term.”
    Father Arnaud Sélégny, secretary general of the SSPX, also said if hospitals or nursing homes admit only chaplains who are vaccinated, priests should comply.
    “If it is impossible to approach the dying to confer on them the sacraments without being oneself vaccinated, we should prefer the salvation of our neighbor to our own health or tranquility,” he wrote in an article posted Sept. 24 on the congregation’s website, fsspx.news.


    “The absolute and categorical positions that are often widespread, such as that which tends to consider the vaccinated as Judas and those who refuse to do so as martyrs, or vice versa, seem at the very least excessive and sometimes mark an obvious lack of charity,” wrote Father Sélégny in his article on the most common moral, social and health arguments used for and against vaccination.
    For many Catholics, the key moral question with the available COVID-19 vaccines is the fact that in the manufacturing or testing process, several of them used cell lines developed decades ago from the tissue of aborted fetuses.
    Responding to the question, “Is the one who benefits from a past sin committing a sin himself?” Father Sélégny quoted St. Thomas Aquinas: “It is one thing to consent or concur with someone in wickedness, another thing to use the wickedness of someone for good.”
    With the “tainted” COVID-19 vaccines, he said, “it is question not of an evil which one commits oneself, but of a sin committed by another: and this is why it is first necessary to reprove the past sin and not to consent to its malice.”
    “In the present case, it should be remembered that, while abortion is a particularly heinous crime,” he said, the manufacturing and testing of the vaccines is indirect and remote. “Thus, when there is a valid reason proportionate to the possible dangers, it is not immoral to be vaccinated with a product which has been prepared or tested with the above-mentioned fetal cells.”
    “The existence of a reasonable motive for consenting to be vaccinated is therefore possible,” Father Sélégny wrote, citing as examples the need to prevent “the inevitable loss of one’s professional activity or social responsibilities” where proof of vaccination is required or “the need to visit an elderly person to support him and not to leave him alone.”
    While insisting vaccination should not be mandated by a government or employer, the priest said charity “sometimes requires making sacrifices to ensure the salvation or the good of one’s neighbor,” so, “if a health pass is needed to circulate, it may happen that the obligation to fulfill a duty of charity prompts us to agree to be vaccinated.”

    One of the unfortunate consequences of this new article will be that those wishy-washy sspx trads will now have a reason to accept the covid vaccine. And also the post-trads(former trads) will cite the SSPX against those actual traditionalists who say that the vaccine is evil and dangerous.
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    Re: New SSPX article on the Covid Vaccines is disappointing
    « Reply #20 on: September 25, 2021, 04:56:02 PM »
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  • See here for a rebuttal to Fr. Selegny's "remote material cooperation" in evil defense of taking the jab:

    The author makes a persuasive case that the evil in question is formal, not material (as Fr. Scott initially taught):

    https://www.superflumina.org/commentary-on-fr-selegnys-sspx-paper.html 

    PS: I have also attached the PDF below (you must be loggen in to see it).
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    Re: New SSPX article on the Covid Vaccines is disappointing
    « Reply #21 on: September 25, 2021, 05:06:05 PM »
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  • The SSPX is on a slippery slope with" situation ethics " the sad thing is its gotten so slippery they don't even realize it !

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    Re: New SSPX article on the Covid Vaccines is disappointing
    « Reply #22 on: September 25, 2021, 05:15:25 PM »
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  • I cast no aspersions regarding motives, but it is undeniable that the effect of the SSPX’s sustained polemic on the death jab advances -wittingly or unwittingly- the accomplishment of the NWO hell planet.

    You don't have to. This isn't some matter of the internal forum, where we should be charitable and/or mind our own business. This isn't about judging others' personal motives. This doesn't fall under "Judge not, lest ye be judged".

    When a person stands up and promotes evil (an evil/sterilizing/deadly injection, the NWO, the Great Reset, the Novus Ordo Mass, Vatican II, etc.):

    1. They must be vigorously, vocally, publicly opposed. It is not necessary to call names, cast aspersions on their parents, or attack them personally. No one would even suggest that you should: therefore when you see it, it is usually a red herring used by the enemies of God to confuse good people. It is a false dilemma: "Either be evil, filled with bitter zeal, and literally use a photo of Pope Francis for a dartboard, or go along completely with Vatican II."

    2. In many cases, such as to avert grave evil(s) and for the public good, silence can actually be sinful -- one can sin mortally OR venially "by silence", "by consent", and at least 5 other ways.

    3. When a man is objectively working evil, it doesn't matter "why" or what his secret motives are. He must be opposed for the objective error(s) and evil(s) he is promoting.

    If a man is about to shoot an innocent person with a gun, you can morally use DEADLY FORCE to stop the attacker. It doesn't matter "why" he decided to commit that murder that day. Maybe he had a bad childhood. Maybe he was abused. Maybe he was insane with anger. WHO CARES. You oppose his evil, and let God sort out the internal forum stuff, mitigating circuмstances, and justice in general. The all-just God will judge all.

    IN SHORT: When deciding on a course of action, all one can go by is the visible, public facts at hand. We must make (admittedly fallible) prudential decisions based on the facts as we know them. We don't have access to the innermost hearts of men, so that data is not available to us, as we make our multitude of prudential decisions each day. God certainly takes this into account when judging.
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    Re: New SSPX article on the Covid Vaccines is disappointing
    « Reply #23 on: September 25, 2021, 05:40:17 PM »
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  • Who did the SSPX use for fact checkers when they wrote this piece of garbage, Fauci and Schwab?

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    Re: New SSPX article on the Covid Vaccines is disappointing
    « Reply #24 on: September 25, 2021, 06:49:46 PM »
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  • At best this vaccines does nothing. At worst it means death, while for many there has been severe ill effect. Some of the reasons to be jabbed like being allowed to work or visit elderly relatives are contrived regs to force people to get this strange therapy.

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  • See here for a rebuttal to Fr. Selegny's "remote material cooperation" in evil defense of taking the jab:

    The author makes a persuasive case that the evil in question is formal, not material (as Fr. Scott initially taught):

    https://www.superflumina.org/commentary-on-fr-selegnys-sspx-paper.html

    PS: I have also attached the PDF below (you must be loggen in to see it).
    Did you see Fr. Sélégny's September 24, 2021, article "Practical Considerations on Vaccination Against Covid-19?"
    He begs the question by called the jab a "vaccine" before proving it is one.
    There's much evidence the jab is being used as a form of eugenics.
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    Re: New SSPX article on the Covid Vaccines is disappointing
    « Reply #26 on: October 01, 2021, 06:14:30 PM »
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  • So let me get this straight, Fr. Selegny is okay with everyone taking the Covid Vaccine, so that means he's okay with infanticide, :ie aborted babies being used in production and testing . He evidently is also okay with Euthanasia because that's the original intent of these shots. They are not vaccines. The Pius X Society needs to change out their moral theologian . This absurdity can not stand in a civilized Society much less a Traditional Catholic Society.

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    Re: New SSPX article on the Covid Vaccines is disappointing
    « Reply #27 on: October 01, 2021, 07:10:44 PM »
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  • So let me get this straight, Fr. Selegny is okay with everyone taking the Covid Vaccine, so that means he's okay with infanticide, :ie aborted babies being used in production and testing . He evidently is also okay with Euthanasia because that's the original intent of these shots. They are not vaccines. The Pius X Society needs to change out their moral theologian . This absurdity can not stand in a civilized Society much less a Traditional Catholic Society.

    The pandemic is a scam, too. There aren't that many people dying of this. Not when you factor in all the morphine they're giving patients, the proper care doctors are denying, the NEGLECT they are enforcing upon any patients diagnosed with "COVID-19" --

    The solution to the "pandemic" is to call BS and be done with it. Not to cater to fear and propaganda. There is NO NEED for an untested, experimental vaccine. No need to "feel safe" even if it's just a placebo. We should be big boys and girls, as well as have enough spiritual life to admit that this world is not all there is.
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    Re: New SSPX article on the Covid Vaccines is disappointing
    « Reply #28 on: October 01, 2021, 07:58:39 PM »
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  • The new-sspx should just stop talking about science.  Heliocentrism and evolution are ok, now this.  They can barely make passing marks in theology and liturgical history.  They get an F in science!

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    Re: New SSPX article on the Covid Vaccines is disappointing
    « Reply #29 on: October 01, 2021, 10:01:25 PM »
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  • It is becoming quite clear that the reason for the tripling down of excuses for the death jab is to justify their own priests getting inoculated. From what I've heard it's widespread. 
    This needs to be called out loudly and strongly especially due to the diabolical nature of these injections. The priests who have received them are spiritually damaged and have no moral compass to speak of. They can no longer be trusted. This is pure chaos in the making, not to mention the fact that they are covid spreaders.