Author Topic: New Seminary Funding and other Financial Obligations (Read 2994 times)

JacobRCharpentier · « **on:** April 13, 2013, 10:58:39 AM »

Tomorrow is Good Shepherd Sunday. Last week, we were told at mass the second collection would be taken up for the support of our priests, the seminary, etc. etc. etc. This is an appeal for money to support on-going operations, those which are alreay in place or maybe those things which need some additional help. So now my first question. How does +Fellay expect the faithful to fund a new seminary if we are already busy funding existing activities, facilities, etc.

Now let me ask the second question. How many of you out there are in process of funding local building projects, or are trying to gather enough funding to start a project? I recall hearing a year or more back that St. Mary's had plans (real drawings, not just a wish list) to build a new church, but the cost was above their means. I think it was something in the range of $10,000,000. If my memory is correct, they had funding issues. Where will we be when it comes to paying for the VA Seminary? Will we tell them to "pound salt" or will we put our own local projects on hold to fund the national project?

I think I am accurate when I recall the St. Mary's project. Who else out there can tell us of their own local projects?

Jake

Wessex · « **Reply #1 on:** April 13, 2013, 11:34:01 AM »

Money for capital projects will be used for initiatives associated with the eventual integration with the conciliar church. In my time I have backed two organisations that are now diocesan controlled.

John Grace · « **Reply #2 on:** April 13, 2013, 11:37:32 AM »

William of Norwich posted information back in November 2010. Why a concern of where the money goes now?

Wessex · « **Reply #3 on:** April 13, 2013, 05:19:18 PM »

Substantial benefactors must by now know where their money is destined ..... although even they can be hoodwinked. There is also another source of funding from those seeking to influence the Society into a merger with Rome.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #4 on:** April 13, 2013, 05:36:05 PM »

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In my time I have backed two organisations that are now diocesan controlled.

This was said about the nations, now we have to say it about the traditionalist organizations as well:

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These parasite investments of the Money Kings are like the fly eggs laid in the nose of
the sheep : it is an addition to the amount of bioplasm in the sheep, but, instead of being
sheep bioplasm, it is foreign . The eggs will hatch ; and instead of the new life adding to
the health and vigor of the sheep, it consumes its life . The worms that breed from the
eggs burrow into the head, and if they can not be gotten rid of, the sure result is the death
of the sheep. — In the same way, the ox fly lays eggs in the back of the ox, that breed
worms ; which, in their development, make the ox as lively as the investments of the
Money Power make the nation where its investments are made . But instead of helping
the ox, they feed upon his life : they fever him : and if there are so many of these
"wolves," as farmers call them, that the ox cannot bear the frenzy caused by their
development, the ox will die.

But all these parasites, when full grown, do not continue to prey upon the animal whose
life tissues have nursed them into growth . When full grown, they, fortunately for the
animal, strive to leave the body on which they have preyed . But it is not so with the
investments of the Money Kings . They keep planting more and more of their eggs in the
body of all the nations ; and, when the eggs hatch into parasite enterprises, the parasite
enterprises continue to prey upon the country, until at last they will sap its strength, and
devour its life.

These parasite enterprises of the London Money Kings are like the fly eggs deposited
in the body of a caterpillar . If no egg is deposited, the caterpillar spins its cocoon, and at
the proper time emerges as a butterfly . But when the fatal egg is deposited, the
caterpillar lives on and spins its cocoon, as if in perfect health ; but the parasite develops,
and continues its work of destruction, and the caterpillar, instead of emerging from its —
chrysalis state, dies in its cocoon with its vitals utterly devoured. — This is what the
Money Kings are now doing for all the nations . They are laying parasite eggs of capital
in the body of every nation . Either the parasite must be gotten rid of, or the nations will
perish.

songbird · « **Reply #5 on:** April 14, 2013, 05:00:47 PM »

How many seminarians will this seminary serve? How many teachers are there now?

ultrarigorist · « **Reply #6 on:** April 14, 2013, 05:46:47 PM »

It was suggested since my last comment, that the true purpose of this palacial new seminary may simply be to kick the ambiance up a notch or two. From a source "close" to the operation of the FSSP's seminary in Nebraska, was offered the observation that awe-inspiring 'common spaces' tend to keep the minds of their more astute seminarians from dwelling on the fact that their formation is grossly deficient in certain areas (doctrine particularly). Seems odd at first glance, but there may be something to it. The present seminary in Winona is just a boring old priory after all.

JacobRCharpentier · « **Reply #7 on:** April 14, 2013, 11:00:30 PM »

Quote from: ultrarigorist

It was suggested since my last comment, that the true purpose of this palacial new seminary may simply be to kick the ambiance up a notch or two. From a source "close" to the operation of the FSSP's seminary in Nebraska, was offered the observation that awe-inspiring 'common spaces' tend to keep the minds of their more astute seminarians from dwelling on the fact that their formation is grossly deficient in certain areas (doctrine particularly). Seems odd at first glance, but there may be something to it. The present seminary in Winona is just a boring old priory after all.

Do "they" teach the those young boys in the seminary anything about sacrifice? Maybe we need to help them through the process. Two things come to mind which I would like to share.

Thing No. 1 --------I was looking at the OurLadysResistance.org site (I really like the writing there), specifically the writing about the VA Seminary relative to our discussion. The following text can be found in the commentary on Question 1.

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Besides, where is the supernatural spirit of sacrifice; the example of Our Lord, “the foxes have holes, and the birds of the air, nests: but the Son of man hath not where to lay His head” –Matthew 8:20; or the “blessed are ye poor!” –Luke 6:20; or the “take up your cross daily and follow Me”; or the “world will rejoice and you shall be made sorrowful” that Our Lord promised His Apostles, or priests, at the Last Supper -John 16:20; or the poverty He advocated “calling together the twelve apostles, He sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and He said to them: ‘Take nothing for your journey; neither staff, nor scrip, nor bread, nor money; neither have two coats. And whatsoever house you shall enter into, abide there, and depart not from thence’” -Luke 9:1-4; or the detachment from possessions, “One thing is wanting unto thee: go, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor [not take from the poor], and thou shalt have treasure in Heaven; and come, follow Me.” -Mark 10:21; and “Peter said: Silver and gold I have none; but what I have, I give thee” -Acts 3:6).

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Our Lord seems to make it very clear we do not need all the fancy bells and whistles to get the job done. The VA seminary looks to be installing many bells and whistles. I guess those seminary boys need to set around in a guilded cage so they can discover Our Lord. I say, Get Real.

Thing No. 2 -------St. Paul of the Desert. I think he just had his feast day a couple of months back. Anyhow, he lived in the desert, probably in a cave. Nothing fancy there. Even more important was St. Paul's trust in Our Lord. Every day, God sent St. Paul a half a loaf of bread, delivered by a bird (raven I think but not sure). You want to talk about trust. St. Paul did a lot of praying in that cave and he did not have a fancy space to aid his thinking process. Those seminary boys need to take a few lessons from him.

I think this commentary from Question 9 on the OLR web site provides a good bit of food for thought relative to this humble and humility comment. Here it is:

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They embark on imprudent pathways and then expect the faithful to foot the bill for their extravagance. New buildings are planned in several locations, yet they have to beg for money! That beggars belief! Archbishop Lefebvre always spoke about his priests having a ‘spirit of poverty’, being humble and modest in the quality of things they owned and bought, spending the money of the faithful very carefully, realizing how hard it for them to come by the limited funds most have. He even stated, in the official Statutes of the Society St. Pius X, that SSPX priests should not smoke, because it was money that simply went up in smoke, yet many do smoke—even those in the highest places. Then we see the well-stocked wine-cellars and drinks cabinets in some priories. The costly outings to places of leisure and entertainment! Not to mention the 'tacky' manner of soliciting money, saying, in effect: "We give you the sacraments and blessings and many other things; you should pay for that by increasing you donations!" Seems like the spirit of poverty, so much desired by Archbishop Lefebvre, is slowly being abandoned. Methinks something doesn’t quite jive here!

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Don't get me wrong here. I am not adovcating we all go live in the desert or not build really nice things. But let's keep it in perspective. Our Lord deserves the best we can make for Him. Afterall, what He has done for us cannot be repaid, so we need to honor Him any way we can. A gold tabernacle front and center is not a bad place to start. Gold flush valve handles on the seminary toilets does not cut the mustard. I really don't expect Jesus to stop by to use the facilities.

If you got this far, thanks for reading.

Jake

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #8 on:** April 14, 2013, 11:33:09 PM »

Let the collection baskets go empty. Don't give them anymore money until: 1) SSPX rescinds their banishment of Bishop Williamson, and offers a public apology to him; and 2) SSPX basically tells Rome there will be no deal until they reject Vat II and abolish the new order mass. Until this is this is done, don't give them another penny. If they are not going to be true shepherds of the Faith, and not listen to the faithful's concerns about a deal with Rome and the unjust treatment of + Williamson, then maybe they'll get the message when the collection baskets come back with nothing but air,,, week after week, month after month.... Also, cancel your auto debits to them.

Now, if you have a particular priest whom you'd like to help, then it's great help him, especially if he's a holy and great priest teaching and defending the Faith (like Archbishop Lefebvre). Likewise with potential candidates for seminaries. If you personally want to help sponsor a man for a seminary, or a woman for the convent, who otherwise would not be accepted due to something like student loan debt, then it is good to personally help them. Just don't give out money that will inevitably end up at Menzingen and go to their projects abroad, including in the U.S. (such as the new seminary).

Also, shift your donations/financial support to the monastery in Brazil (mentioned on another thread), and other such communities of the Faith in other countries.

JacobRCharpentier · « **Reply #9 on:** April 15, 2013, 07:47:57 PM »

When l first posted this message, l asked about other locations with "stunted' building projects.I have vague recollections that Post Falls may be such an example. Anyone care to comment? Is my vague good or goofy?

Jake

Marlelar · « **Reply #10 on:** April 15, 2013, 10:52:49 PM »

From the 4/14 bulletin at Our Lady of Sorrows, Phoenix, AZ:

" We are happy to announce the official beginning of construction of Our Lady of Sorrows Church. Excavation has already begun. Let us first thank our patroness for her intercession, without which we would never have progressed this far. We must acknowledge as well the many sacrifices of parishioners and friends who have assisted us by their prayers and donations. Finally, let us not forget our great obligation to the District for loaning the necessary funds to get this underway. So I appeal once again, to continue your generosity throughout this exciting work."

from the 4/7 bulletin:

Financial Corner:
2010 Monthly Avg for bldg fund: $61,122
2011 Monthly Avg for bldg fund: $42,291
2012 Monthly Avg for bldg fund: $21,510
Jan 2013: $13,985
Feb 2013: $24,984
March 2013: $19,789

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Regarding the regular collection it has gone from an average of $18,198 in 2010 to $18,480 in 2012. March 2013 was $16,932

Academy donations have gone from $2,819 monthly avg in 2010 to $2,605 avg in 2012. March 2013 was $1,575

Marsha

Charlotte NC Bill · « **Reply #11 on:** April 17, 2013, 07:12:52 AM »

On Good Shephard sunday we listened to a long omily about hierarchy..the inportance thereof...the history of Church hierarchy...the importance of Church hierarchy...etc...Afterwards I told my wife; that was our "why you have to love and respect this horribly disappointing Sup Gen..' homily.

Seraphia · « **Reply #12 on:** April 17, 2013, 07:48:48 AM »

Quote from: Charlotte NC Bill

On Good Shephard sunday we listened to a long omily about hierarchy..the inportance thereof...the history of Church hierarchy...the importance of Church hierarchy...etc...Afterwards I told my wife; that was our "why you have to love and respect this horribly disappointing Sup Gen..' homily.

I personally liked the skewed definition of jurisdiction. SSPX jurisdiction as compared with the jurisdiction of Rome. I thought the SSPX was the 'pilot light' for the Faith, instead that homily only confirmed the Society's new 'delusions of grandeur'.

bowler · « **Reply #13 on:** April 17, 2013, 07:51:22 AM »

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How many of you out there are in process of funding local building projects, or are trying to gather enough funding to start a project?

Every chapel in our region is perpetually being asked for money for this and that project. I see that all of the chapels do not have the parishioner base to support any of the projects. The SSPX, since the death of the independent priests who ran the chapels, has lost well over 50% of the people, by their insipidness and lack of attention to the sheep.

Charlotte NC Bill · « **Reply #14 on:** April 17, 2013, 08:08:59 AM »

It's hard to support the SSPX...After the expulsions and everything...How can they expect us to give ANY money when we have to support all the good priests who were expelled for merely telling the truth?The SSPXMC and Bp Williamson deserve our help far more...Besides even if all the real trads with real concerns totally stop giving the bells and incense 1950's-ism, head-in-the-sand Americanists/american exceptionalist, "conservative" refugees fm the NO will just give more...And, actually, they have done that..For the time being..