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Re: New St Marys Immaculata altar is table - youtube video
« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2022, 01:48:06 AM »
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  • Most of these modern churches being built aren’t environmentally friendly either. 

      Many are over the top. 

    Nothing like our churches of the past made of wood or stone:  holy, simple, modest and beautiful.

    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: New St Marys Immaculata altar is table - youtube video
    « Reply #46 on: November 07, 2022, 01:54:58 AM »
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  • Here's what they built (this past couple years) in the Cleveland-Akron area (St. Peregrine's) --

    Looks like a cross between Prot and Novus Ordo.





    and here after they added a Resurrexifix above the altar --

    Where are the stations of the cross???


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    Re: New St Marys Immaculata altar is table - youtube video
    « Reply #47 on: November 07, 2022, 01:59:23 AM »
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  • Most of these modern churches being built aren’t environmentally friendly either. 

      Many are over the top. 

    Nothing like our churches of the past made of wood or stone:  holy, simple, modest and beautiful.



    Wooden churches are not a good idea.

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    Re: New St Marys Immaculata altar is table - youtube video
    « Reply #48 on: November 07, 2022, 05:27:33 AM »
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  • That's a serious accusation. Can you name the particular chapel and instance? If there's any proof, this ought to be reported. If not, it is slanderous.
    I know of people who claimed that this happened especially to their chapels in Florida...

    They raised a lot of money for a chapel in their location and the SSPX used the money to build a chapel on the other side of FL instead of where the people were who raised the money.  At least I think that is how the story went. 
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    Re: New St Marys Immaculata altar is table - youtube video
    « Reply #49 on: November 07, 2022, 05:29:43 AM »
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  • Pictures of St. Peregrine's from Facebook:

    Including better view of altar and "resurrecifix".
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    Re: New St Marys Immaculata altar is table - youtube video
    « Reply #50 on: November 07, 2022, 05:35:15 AM »
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  • Pics of Cleveland/Akron I did not see stations of the cross?

    I’ll cut them some slack there as they have not finished decorating yet due to a funds shortage ... and there’s definitely enough bare space in the wall for them.

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    Re: New St Marys Immaculata altar is table - youtube video
    « Reply #51 on: November 07, 2022, 05:36:45 AM »
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  • In my opinion...  If they are going to have a "free-standing" altar it should at least have the three altar shelf's on it.  This is where the candles and flowers are usually placed for a high Mass.  Usually an altar with tiers on it helped to distinguish between an altar for a high Mass or a low Mass.  Traditional chapels often had more simple side altars for several priests to offer their morning low Masses at the same time and the high altar was for the sung Masses.

    The priest in the video mentioned that they were trying to copy Saint Peter's in Rome.  I find interesting that apparently the altar over St. Peter's tomb was apparently originally a "ciborium" used for exposing the blessed Sacrament.  It was basically like a super large tabernacle.  And another important thing to remember is that only the Pope or one standing in his place for special ceremonies was allowed to offer Mass on this altar.  Usually the preferred location for Mass in Saint Peter's was the High Altar under the Chair of Saint Peter.

    I will try and include some pictures in a few separate posts.

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    Re: New St Marys Immaculata altar is table - youtube video
    « Reply #52 on: November 07, 2022, 05:37:38 AM »
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  • I know of people who claimed that this happened especially to their chapels in Florida...

    They raised a lot of money for a chapel in their location and the SSPX used the money to build a chapel on the other side of FL instead of where the people were who raised the money.  At least I think that is how the story went.

    Which particular chapel?


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    « Reply #53 on: November 07, 2022, 05:37:47 AM »
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  • Pope Pius X Offering Mass over St. Peter's Tomb 
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    « Reply #54 on: November 07, 2022, 05:39:49 AM »
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  • Pontifical High Mass of Pope Pius X at the Altar of St. Peter's Chair (consecrating French bishops).
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    Re: New St Marys Immaculata altar is table - youtube video
    « Reply #55 on: November 07, 2022, 05:43:51 AM »
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  • Several pictures I found while looking for the others...
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    Re: New St Marys Immaculata altar is table - youtube video
    « Reply #56 on: November 07, 2022, 05:44:52 AM »
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  • A couple more...
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    Re: New St Marys Immaculata altar is table - youtube video
    « Reply #57 on: November 07, 2022, 05:45:27 AM »
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  • That's a serious accusation. Can you name the particular chapel and instance? If there's any proof, this ought to be reported. If not, it is slanderous.

    It’s been adequately dealt with here before, so I chose not to go into it again.  I have direct knowledge of one such situation, and two others chimed attesting to the same thing going on in others.  It’s well docuмented that SSPX exert total financial control over any given parish.  In the case I am familiar with, I cannot say exactly WHAT happened to the money, only that the chapel had several hundred thousand (close to half a million) collected 20 years ago that evaporated.  I personally donated $1,000 before I got suspicious.  They started from scratch just about 2-3 years ago and thus have an unfinished chapel (with bare white walls:  HINT) and significant debt.  In fact, they had plans drawn up 20 years ago that were much nicer.

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    Re: New St Marys Immaculata altar is table - youtube video
    « Reply #58 on: November 07, 2022, 07:14:05 AM »
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    Pope Pius XII - Mediator Dei

    62. Assuredly it is a wise and most laudable thing to return in spirit and affection to the sources of the sacred liturgy. For research in this field of study, by tracing it back to its origins, contributes valuable assistance towards a more thorough and careful investigation of the significance of feast-days, and of the meaning of the texts and sacred ceremonies employed on their occasion. But it is neither wise nor laudable to reduce everything to antiquity by every possible device. Thus, to cite some instances, one would be straying from the straight path were he to wish the altar restored to its primitive tableform; were he to want black excluded as a color for the liturgical vestments; were he to forbid the use of sacred images and statues in Churches; were he to order the crucifix so designed that the divine Redeemer's body shows no trace of His cruel sufferings; and lastly were he to disdain and reject polyphonic music or singing in parts, even where it conforms to regulations issued by the Holy See.

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    Re: New St Marys Immaculata altar is table - youtube video
    « Reply #59 on: November 07, 2022, 10:29:49 AM »
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    Pope Pius XII - Mediator Dei

    62. (...) But it is neither wise nor laudable to reduce everything to antiquity by every possible device. Thus, to cite some instances, one would be straying from the straight path were he to wish the altar restored to its primitive tableform; (...) were he to order the crucifix so designed that the divine Redeemer's body shows no trace of His cruel sufferings; (...)

    I'm not sure how the FSSPX can evade or justify its choice of a tableform altar, in light of this passage.

    Regarding the link showing the modernist crucifix, is this also at the new Immaculata Church in St. Mary's?  If so, it too would seem unjustifiable in light of the same Mediator Dei.

    I would love to hear their response to this syllogism:

    Major: They are straying from the straight path who wish to restore tableform altars, or design crucifixs without any sign of Our Lord's passion;

    Minor: But the FSSPX is using tableform altars and crucifixs showing no trace of Our Lord's sufferings.

    Conclusion: Theerefore, the FSSPX is straying from the straight path.
    Noblesse oblige.