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Title: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 25, 2018, 01:29:06 PM
Fr. Joseph Poisson

Newly arrived from the FSSP parish St. Michael's in Scranton, PA.


Scranton is where the FSSP had their boys highschool shut down over abuse after the SSPX priests joined them to form the SSJ (Society of St. John).

Fr. Urritogoity fled to South America, and three former SSJ priests have joined Boston, KY in the past year (Roberts, Cordaro, Tetherow).

The Bishop of Scranton announced on June 24th that a grand jury investigation report is due to be imminently released.


Saintmichaelsrcc.org/press/


Moderator Note:
Fr. Poisson was not part of the Society of St. John, although the OP here insinuated exactly that. I have modified it to remove unjustified speculation and making connections that weren't there.

Scranton, PA is a decent-sized city of 76,000+ people. It's not a small village.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scranton,_Pennsylvania

No one is to be suspected of any wrongdoing merely by virtue of having an apostolate in Pennsylvania, or even Scranton, PA.
HOWEVER, Fr. Poisson joining the sinking ship that is Fr. Pfeiffer's cult here in 2018, after all the scandals have come to light (the con artist Ambrose Moran, Tetherow, Fr. Marshall Roberts, plus the usual Pablo, etc.) demands that we scrutinize Fr. Poisson with the full package of due diligence. No sane man with other options would choose such a group!

Fr. Poisson has admitted that Ambrose Moran conditionally "ordained" him. 
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/everything-about-mr-bishop-archbishop-ambrose-moran-the-orthodox/
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 25, 2018, 01:38:29 PM
https://m.thetimes-tribune.com/news/diocese-of-scranton-has-grand-jury-sex-abuse-report-1.2344509
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 25, 2018, 01:52:14 PM
Bulletin announcement from June 24, Fr. Poisson shows up in Boston days later:

saintmichaelsrcc.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/New-Parish-Bulletin-24-June-2018.pdf
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Mega-fin on July 25, 2018, 02:20:21 PM
Have at ‘em, Pfeiffer! They’re all yours. 
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Incredulous on July 25, 2018, 05:20:04 PM
Quote
three former SSJ priests have joined Boston, KY in the past year (Roberts, Cordaro, Tetherow).

Does it appear the Pfeiffer farm is becoming a "safe house" for recovering gαy priests ?  :facepalm:

(https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.8vjGmGRxibppO-IVaSgGQQHaEK&pid=15.1&P=0&w=298&h=168)

May the souls of the traditional Catholic fathers of the Pfeiffer property:

Father Urban Snyder, Father Francis Michael Hannifin intercede with Our Lady to shut it down.



Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Matthew on July 25, 2018, 06:26:23 PM
Here is the bulletin, in case someone decides to toss it down the memory hole.

Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: josefamenendez on July 25, 2018, 10:14:13 PM
Every Diocese in the State of Pennsylvania is included in this sɛҳuąƖ abuse report- not just Scranton.
AG ((Shapiro)) is aggressively prosecuting the Conciliar (sp)Church- not that it isn't deserved but it has become very contentious between the AG's office and the Conciliar PA Bishops.  Fr Poisson left St Michael's in Scranton in 2014 and he wasn't around for the Society of St John debacle back in the late 90's/ early 2000's. In fact Fr Poisson was often persecuted by the local ordinaries and laity for his "severity" (throw out your televisions) and his devotion to Our Lady- one of the only priests within a diocesan structure that preached the truth about the Consecration of Russia. Fr Poisson's reward for telling the truth was being sent to outbacks in the Yukon and Africa for years by the FSSP - (kind of what happened to Fr Scott with the SSPX) He never complained.
He is an "odd duck" in an otherworldly sense. He's certainly not mainstream Catholicism's cup of tea.
But to accuse him of such heinous things without even knowing him is just painful to hear. 
So sorry that he fell into the Boston situation. I will step up my prayers. 
 
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 26, 2018, 08:19:10 AM
I don't think it's likely that  the FSSP would eject a priest for having an affection for preaching about the consecration of Russia.

Scranton diocese has shown they are serious with the ejection of Cordaro and Tetherow and the SSJ.

Either way, the grand jury report will be out soon and it will name names.

The bigger question is why are these guys ending up in Boston,  KY?
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Incredulous on July 26, 2018, 08:33:07 AM
I don't think it's likely that  the FSSP would eject a priest for having an affection for preaching about the consecration of Russia.

Scranton diocese has shown they are serious with the ejection of Cordaro and Tetherow and the SSJ.

Either way, the grand jury report will be out soon and it will name names.

The bigger question is why are these guys ending up in Boston,  KY?


You hit the nail on the head General.

It took us some time to figure out this gαy-network, but there's a significant trend going-on in Pfeifferville.

The typical gαy schtick to rationalize their sins which cry to Heaven for justice, is to claim "we are the persecuted".
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: josefamenendez on July 26, 2018, 08:51:16 AM
He was NOT ejected. He just left. i spoke with the pastor at St Michael's at the time.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Ladislaus on July 26, 2018, 09:11:40 AM
The bigger question is why are these guys ending up in Boston,  KY?

This is the biggest alarm bell.  If you leave FSSP, why would you not latch on to some more stable group like SSPX or the broader Resistance?  Would someone of the FSSP mindset and theological position suddenly have an issue with the neo-SSPX and go straight to some Resistance group?  Sedevacantist I can see ... if one came around to that conclusion.  But why would one take the path direct from FFSP to Boston and not consider SSPX first?  Something smells in Boston, and it's not just Pablo.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Matthew on July 26, 2018, 09:48:53 AM
This is the biggest alarm bell.  If you leave FSSP, why would you not latch on to some more stable group like SSPX or the broader Resistance?  Would someone of the FSSP mindset and theological position suddenly have an issue with the neo-SSPX and go straight to some Resistance group?  Sedevacantist I can see ... if one came around to that conclusion.  But why would one take the path direct from FFSP to Boston and not consider SSPX first?  Something smells in Boston, and it's not just Pablo.

You're absolutely correct.

When analyzing Trad groups, there are two factors:

Size/organization
and
Position

FSSP and Boston, KY are light-years apart in both categories!

FSSP is all "recognize" and no "resist". FSSP is arguably not Traditional Catholic, since they don't believe in the Traditional Catholic tenet that we have supplied jurisdiction, a right to keep our Faith despite lack of Roman permission, and they seem to deny there is a Crisis in the Church, since they are working with Modernist Rome and are on perfect terms with same. They are very conservative, yes, but they go against many tenets and beliefs that the Traditional movement has always consistently stood for, from 1970 until the present day.

Fr. Pfeiffer's fringe group is all "resist" but no "recognize". They excommunicate anyone (including clergy) not part of their group, considering them non-Catholics and vitandi. They don't even recognize their brothers in Tradition, much less anyone in the Conciliar Church. This group has more of an apocalyptic, home aloner type position, a position usually seen in extreme sedevacantist groups. Anything and everything whispered about one of the recent Popes will be boldly shouted from the housetops by Fr. Pfeiffer.

FSSP is often considered (rightly so, in my opinion) to be classic "smells and bells". Their chant and High Mass rubrics are impeccable, and so forth. But has anyone here worked with Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer? Building up chapels materially, organizing scholae, acquiring High Mass equipment for various chapels, etc couldn't be a lower priority for him. He is like an Irish priest: low Mass (and bare essentials) all the way. My point: they are as different as toasters and cirrus clouds.

As for organization, you couldn't get more polar opposites.

The FSSP is as organized as the SSPX. Those two are extremely similar as far as professionalism, organization, size, standardization of priestly formation, knowing what to expect when you drop in at any of their chapels, etc.

Fr. Pfeiffer's group is allergic to anything resembling planning or organization. They couldn't be more random, haphazard, or disorganized. But more than mere lack of good administration or planning (which might be excused), there are grave disorders within this organization on many levels!

Now depending on why a priest fell out with the FSSP, he might go different directions. Will he join a group with a more conservative position, but still organized? Or a group more conservative/liberal, but still in union with Rome? These would make sense. There had to be something he liked and still likes about the FSSP. A person doesn't change that much, or that quickly. And certain Trad groups are as dissimilar as cheddar cheese and hope.

In this particular case, there is nothing in common between the FSSP and Boston, KY except for the superficial name of "Catholic". And let's face it: only desperation could bring a person to go with such a small, disorganized, failing, extreme of position, and scandal-ridden group.

So the 10 million dollar question: Why is this priest so desperate for a "gig"?

I'm not going to say things about this priest that I don't know, but everything I wrote in this post is 100% certain. There is SOME reason which explains this priest's irrational behavior, if it's true that he's working with Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer. Knowledge that he's working with Fr. Pfeiffer is all I need to begin "wondering" about this priest.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Matthew on July 26, 2018, 10:06:19 AM
I really can't get over an FSSP priest going straight to Fr. Pfeiffer's group. I can't emphasize enough how crazy that is.

When a Resistance priest ends up working with Fr. Pfeiffer, at least it makes sense on some level. If a priest left the SSPX, he needs a new framework or network to work with, and some (foolishly) go with Fr. Pfeiffer for this or that personal reason. So it's just a couple of Independent priests working together; it's not completely crazy.

But FSSP --> Pfeiffer cult?  Really? 

Something like that doesn't just happen. Something isn't right.

I can't turn off my Common Sense here.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 26, 2018, 10:11:34 AM
He was NOT ejected. He just left. i spoke with the pastor at St Michael's at the time.
Oh, really?
Why?
Why would any FSSP priest " just leave"?
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Incredulous on July 26, 2018, 10:27:55 AM
I really can't get over an FSSP priest going straight to Fr. Pfeiffer's group. I can't emphasize enough how crazy that is.

When a Resistance priest ends up working with Fr. Pfeiffer, at least it makes sense on some level. If a priest left the SSPX, he needs a new framework or network to work with, and some (foolishly) go with Fr. Pfeiffer for this or that personal reason. So it's just a couple of Independent priests working together; it's not completely crazy.

But FSSP --> Pfeiffer cult?  Really?

Something like that doesn't just happen. Something isn't right.

I can't turn off my Common Sense here.

There's a consistent thread of homo-accused men showing-up at Pfiefferville.

From relatives living on the property, to a string of four or more priests.

We don't readily understand it, because it's the "gαy-network".

Suffice to say, they "know" each other.

Pfiefferville priests travel all over the country and are networked.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Matthew on July 26, 2018, 10:29:25 AM
Oh, really?
Why?
Why would any FSSP priest " just leave"?

Oh, no big deal.

He just woke up one day and decided to go from

* A large organization with structure, resources, benefits, etc. to a rinky-dink organization with none of those things
* An organization approved by Rome to a group that isn't even accepted by most Traditional Catholics
* A respected world-wide organization to a scandal-ridden de-facto cult that works with a superstitious lay exorcist, a con artist, and several priests with tainted reputations (the sin that dare not speak its name)
* A group with standard seminaries and training to a group whose "seminary" involves no formal subjects or classes. I'm not making this up: in Boston, KY, the "seminarians" are told that each of Fr. Pfeiffer's rambling, disorganized, 2-hour rants is supposed to be the equivalent of several classes of Moral Theology, Canon Law, Dogmatic Theology, Ascetical and Mystical Theology, Scripture, Logic, Philosophy, etc. (And you wonder why Bp. Williamson and the other Resistance bishops refuse orders to these "seminarians")

Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Matthew on July 26, 2018, 10:33:42 AM
An given FSSP priest COULD theoretically care about (or be motivated to stay in the FSSP) by some combination of:

Money (or even just being able to support himself: food, housing, car, etc.)
Popularity (or even just access to many conservative Catholic souls)
Liturgy
Doctrine
Order, Structure
Roman approval
His Future - outlook for the group, his retirement, etc.

But he's going to find NONE of those things in Boston, KY. That's why this isn't adding up. There's something missing from the equation that we don't know about.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 26, 2018, 11:42:55 AM
Oh, no big deal.

He just woke up one day and decided to go from

* A large organization with structure, resources, benefits, etc. to a rinky-dink organization with none of those things
* An organization approved by Rome to a group that isn't even accepted by most Traditional Catholics
* A respected world-wide organization to a scandal-ridden de-facto cult that works with a superstitious lay exorcist, a con artist, and several priests with tainted reputations (the sin that dare not speak its name)
* A group with standard seminaries and training to a group whose "seminary" involves no formal subjects or classes. I'm not making this up: in Boston, KY, the "seminarians" are told that each of Fr. Pfeiffer's rambling, disorganized, 2-hour rants is supposed to be the equivalent of several classes of Moral Theology, Canon Law, Dogmatic Theology, Ascetical and Mystical Theology, Scripture, Logic, Philosophy, etc. (And you wonder why Bp. Williamson and the other Resistance bishops refuse orders to these "seminarians")
Exactly. 
Which makes me wonder:
How did Fr. Poisson even KNOW of Fr. Pfeiffer? 
This is why I think the connection came thru the SSJ. Especially if Poisson is over 40.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 26, 2018, 11:46:10 AM
Another big red flag is the fact that Fr. Pfeiffer announced Poisson's arrival,  then deleted the announcement a day later.

They must have caught immediate flak from somewhere.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Carissima on July 26, 2018, 12:01:50 PM
Exactly.
Which makes me wonder:
How did Fr. Poisson even KNOW of Fr. Pfeiffer?
This is why I think the connection came thru the SSJ. Especially if Poisson is over 40.
These posts were buried on a Catacombs thread day before yesterday. 
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Matthew on July 26, 2018, 12:28:35 PM
Speaking of other forums, here is another gem:


Quote
-Tetherow: confessed, convicted, laicised, "our friend"-- fr. Pfeiffer
-Cordaro: laicised, inappropriate contact with a minor, said mass several times at OLMC
-Roberts: ex SSJ, kicked out of Christ the King seminary for overt ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ proposition, kicked out of his last chapel for smooching a man in the sacristy, he is in residence at OLMC
-Urrutigoity: fr. Pfeiffer would "take in a heartbeat."

If I were an Independent trad priest, having left the SSPX or any other group, I would steer clear of Boston, KY at all costs -- for my reputations' sake if nothing else!
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Ladislaus on July 26, 2018, 12:32:42 PM
Speaking of other forums, here is another gem:


If I were an Independent trad priest, having left the SSPX or any other group, I would steer clear of Boston, KY at all costs -- for my reputations' sake if nothing else!

Or for abject fear of being sɛҳuąƖly assaulted.  I certainly would not let my kids (especially my sons) within a 300-mile radius of the place.  I currently live 366 miles away, so I can't move more than 60 miles closer to Columbus.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: cathman7 on July 26, 2018, 01:44:12 PM
Do the scandals involved with Boston, KY ever end? 
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: josefamenendez on July 26, 2018, 02:21:40 PM
Somehow defending a priest known to me has become defending homo-pedophilia and Boston , Kentucky. I am not defending either!
I am not telling you how to connect the dots- I am just telling you some of what I know.
I do know a little about why Fr Poisson left and it had nothing to do with that type of scandal. Personally I suspect some of it had to do with Francis and the general apostasy. He just walked away.The FSSP did not remove his faculties. ( at least they didn't as of 2015) It was a four year period since he left ( with no other affiliations as far as I can tell) and now this Boston stuff- shocking to me as well.
I am old enough to know that I can easily be deceived, but I'm sure you are old enough to know that about yourselves as well .
This is all I am able to say, so I won't comment further on this thread.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: cathman7 on July 26, 2018, 02:28:27 PM
I think you are right about Fr Poisson. Let's not malign his character! 

However, what would possess someone to join Boston? Desperation? 
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Ladislaus on July 26, 2018, 02:39:56 PM
They also say he spent 5 years on his parents farm.

Well, this is one plausible reason for his move ... a prior Pfeiffer connection.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 26, 2018, 03:00:00 PM
Sorry, they meant Poisson's parents' farm in Canada.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: X on July 26, 2018, 03:09:29 PM
The Pfeiffer forum is making accusations of calumny for what is being said of Fr Poisson, and I can’t see how anyone can reasonably argue against the charge:

Speculation and rash judgment regarding his moral character is all I see in this thread.

Would it really have been so hard to wait for the grand jury report, which is soon to be made public?

For my own part, I am only voicing my concerns regarding the report of an extremely dubious conditional ordination by Mr. Ambrose Moran.

The moral discussion should have waited until the report was made public (unless there is some other concrete and credible evidence to support the accusations being made against this priest).

When and if that should transpire, I will hop on the bandwagon, but not before.

To make such accusations without any evidence better than “he was in PA” and “since Pfeiffer has expressed willingness to associate with those accused and/or convicted of grave moral offenses, it must be true in the present case too” is itself surely gravely rash matter.

And for the record, I am neither Smedley, Fanny, nor any of the other names mentioned on the Pfeiffer forum.

They have a point about the premature accusations constituting calumny, possible slander, and the textbook definition of rash judgment.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Ladislaus on July 26, 2018, 03:14:01 PM
The Pfeiffer forum is making accusations of calumny for what is being said of Fr Poisson, and I can’t see how anyone can reasonably argue against the charge:

Speculation and rash judgment regarding his moral character is all I see in this thread.

Garbage.  Everyone knows there's no proof.  We're just expressing the need for an abundance of caution.  Fr. (Mr.?) Poisson should have taken that into account before moving to the Pfeiffer compound.  I don't know that he's a pedophile.  No one has proof.  But it would be a grave sin for any of us, given the circuмstantial evidence, to allow our children anywhere near him or near Boston.  We are entitled to attempt sniffing out pedophiles.  That's how pedophiles get away with things ... run for cover behind charges of calumny and demands for charity.  Unless you have concrete proof that I molested 200 children, then as far as your concerned, I'm squeaky clean.

No one here has said that Poisson IS a pedophile.  People are merely stating the objective facts and circuмstances regarding his transition from FSSP to an association with the Pfeiffer compounds and stating that it is suspicious and requires a tremendous amount of caution.  That is not calumny but FACT.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Ladislaus on July 26, 2018, 03:20:15 PM
They have a point about the premature accusations constituting calumny, possible slander, and the textbook definition of rash judgment.

bovine excrement.  I love how people toss around the word calumny without having any understanding of the term.

If I run into a limp-wristed man who's lisping and shows other characteristics of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, I am able to state as fact -- no calumny -- this man exhibits a lot of behaviors and characteristics typical of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, and out of caution I will keep my children away from him.  And I might warn others who might have a little less-well-tuned "gαydar" to do the same.  That is NOT calumny.  No one is saying that he's certainly a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ ... just that the circuмstantial evidence suggests that he may very well be.  Former statement would be calumny, but the latter is merely objective fact.

Similarly, there's circuмstantial evidence with regard to both Poissson and the Pfeiffer compound in general that would suggest that there's a great possibility that some ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ network has set up operations there and that people should stay away and, most importantly, keep their children away.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: X on July 26, 2018, 03:29:43 PM
Hi Ladislaus-

If you re-read your posts, you will see they are the textbook definition of rash judgment: To hold a firm conviction regarding the evil of another without good evidence.

That is precisely what you are doing when you start from the premise that it is a mortal sin to bring children within 300 miles of someone, based on:

1) he was in Pennsylvania

2) he has the poor judgment to team up with Fr Pfeiffer

I believe you are sufficiently intelligent to understand this, and consequently can only conclude that your passions are overcoming your intellect.

I can’t imagine any priest of whatever persuasion telling you anything different.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 26, 2018, 03:50:51 PM
The faithful are CORRECT to conduct scrutiny of priests that have been living under a rock.

That's called PRUDENCE.

Also, Fr. Pfeiffer has an established pattern in this regard of drawing pedo priests to Boston.

If he had no others,  then you might suggest people are being rash.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Seraphina on July 26, 2018, 04:07:46 PM
If I had children, I would not take them to OLMC to Mass.  I don’t need legal proof or to have literally witnessed abuse.  This isn’t calumny, it’s exercising prudence and doing my duty to protect my children.  
I hope none of what is suspected turns out to be true. Even if Fr. Poisson is entirely innocent of wrongdoing, there are other serious reasons to stay away from Boston.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Matthew on July 26, 2018, 04:19:50 PM
I think you are right about Fr Poisson. Let's not malign his character!

However, what would possess someone to join Boston? Desperation?

I agree.

But having re-read the entire thread, I couldn't find any instances of maligning Fr. Poisson's character. His judgment maybe (which is public knowledge) and pointing out the history of Boston, KY and Fr. Pfeiffer's connections to various priests of questionable background -- but that is a fact.

Anyone attaching themselves to the sick joke that is the Pfeiffer cult DESERVES to be given a wide berth, treated with extra caution, and given the full package of investigative scrutiny (more than for a usual priest). Prudence demands it!

As some have pointed out, Fr. Pfeiffer has a pattern, enough to be a modus operandi at this point. Like I said above, if I were an independent priest I wouldn't get involved with Fr. Pfeiffer (at this point, in 2018) just for the sake of my reputation. Why has this priest foolishly done otherwise?

Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: X on July 26, 2018, 04:26:01 PM
When this story first broke, I thought to myself, “How and why does an FSSP priest end up in Boston, unless there is something we are missing?”

(It’s ok to consider the possibility without evidence, so long as you don’t form a firm conviction imputing evil to another without it)

That's all I have been doing here.

And if one does not want to become independent, then +BW is no option.
With 5 years to consider his options, he still chose poorly, but it was not a sudden and inexplicable flight from the FSSP.

Oh please. The priests allied with +W work together as a group just fine. I know, +W originally called for "a loose network of independent priests" but as a matter of fact there is quite a helpful cooperation between the priests working with the 4 Resistance bishops. Don't sell them short.

And #2) Fr. Pfeiffer HARDLY is a great example of a great structure, organization, or anything like that. Such a reason falls flat on its face.
After all these years Father has just 1 priest (Fr Hewko) and maybe a few priests who haven't made it to Fr. P's "crap list" yet -- but for the most part they have their own private apostolates. As far as day-to-day Boston and Mission apostolate is concerned, it's still just good old Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko. Oh, and a small but increasing list of priests with troubled reputations and backgrounds...

PS. #$@#$  I hit modify instead of quote. I do that more often than I like. Sorry. Again, #$!#  
I can't bring it back or I would.

Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: happenby on July 26, 2018, 04:38:03 PM
No one likes to be smeared, but the guy getting smeared ought to make better choices once in a while. If Fr. Poisson is a good guy, he and his new employers should welcome the scrutiny, applaud the Catholics who took precautions and did their homework.  Any balking from Kentucky priests will speak volumes against them. The loyalists at OLMC aren't too bright for throwing fits about this exposure.  Why are they trying to cover for what might prove to be a nightmare for them?  Isn't that the kind of environment most suitable for the problems Catholics fear most?   
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Matthew on July 26, 2018, 06:00:23 PM
Moderator Note:
Fr. Poisson was not part of the Society of St. John, although the OP insinuated exactly that. I have modified it to remove unjustified speculation and making connections that weren't there.

Scranton, PA is a decent-sized city of 76,000+ people. It's not a small village.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scranton,_Pennsylvania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scranton,_Pennsylvania)

No one is to be suspected of any wrongdoing merely by virtue of having an apostolate in Pennsylvania, or even Scranton, PA.
HOWEVER, Fr. Poisson joining the sinking ship that is Fr. Pfeiffer's cult here in 2018, after all the scandals have come to light (the con artist Ambrose Moran, Tetherow, Fr. Marshall Roberts, plus the usual Pablo, etc.) demands that we scrutinize Fr. Poisson with the full package of due diligence. No sane man with other options would choose such a group!
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Pax Vobis on July 26, 2018, 06:00:44 PM
Quote
Like I said above, if I were an independent priest I wouldn't get involved with Fr. Pfeiffer (at this point, in 2018, just for the sake of my reputation. 
Yes, it’s a sad state of affairs.  Fr P has so much to offer Catholicism, if he got his act together.  He’s a tireless worker and a GREAT preacher/teacher of the Faith.  It’s a shame that he’s put himself in an awkward and uncertain position.  
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Matthew on July 26, 2018, 06:03:51 PM
Not to change the subject, but "poisson" means "fish" in French.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: MaterDominici on July 26, 2018, 06:32:34 PM
You should lock this thread. The original by X is sufficient discussion of this priest at this point. No need to continue speculating about possible moral problems when it's obvious enough that anyone who allowed the fraud Moran to "ordain" them either has a serious shortage of intellect or is running away from something.

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/invalid-orders-in-boston-ky/
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Ladislaus on July 26, 2018, 06:36:14 PM
There's no rash judgement here.  No one has said that Fr. Poisson is in fact a pedophile.  But the facts make him suspect.  There's a clear distiction there even recognized in Canon Law.  Certain external actions can render someone suspect of heresy for instance.  Was the Church making a rash judgment in labeling Roncalli suspect of Modernism?  Church did not say he was a Modernist, just that he was suspect of it.  Even if it had turned out that he really wasn't, the judgment that he said and did things that made him suspect was neither rash nor wrong.  If I see someone talking and acting like a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, then that makes him objectively suspect and the suspicion is not rash ... even if it turned out to be wrong.  Would I be wrong to turn him down if he offered to take my young son camping?  In fact, I would commit a grave sin by letting him do so.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 26, 2018, 07:02:40 PM
Not to change the subject, but "poisson" means "fish" in French.
Or it just looks like poison, in English. 
Either way, the whole thing seems fishy.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 26, 2018, 07:05:33 PM
You should lock this thread. The original by X is sufficient discussion of this priest at this point. No need to continue speculating about possible moral problems when it's obvious enough that anyone who allowed the fraud Moran to "ordain" them either has a serious shortage of intellect or is running away from something.

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/invalid-orders-in-boston-ky/
FSSP ordains in the Traditional rite.
Why would Fr. Pfeiffer reordain him at all?
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: MaterDominici on July 26, 2018, 07:12:53 PM
FSSP ordains in the Traditional rite.
Why would Fr. Pfeiffer reordain him at all?
https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/fssp-priests
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 26, 2018, 07:18:02 PM
I know the FSSP are ordained by NO bishops: in the Traditional Rite.

I guess you're suggesting the Traditional Rite is not a valid ordination when performed by a NO bishop?

I do not subscribe to that point of view. 
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Matthew on July 26, 2018, 07:20:01 PM
I know the FSSP are ordained by NO bishops: in the Traditional Rite.

I guess you're suggesting the Traditional Rite is not a valid ordination when performed by a NO bishop?

I do not subscribe to that point of view.
If the NO bishop is a bishop, then you're fine. If he's not a bishop, it doesn't matter what he says or does.
Many Trads have serious issues with the new Rite of ordination and the new Rite of consecration. That is why the old SSPX used to conditionally ordain priests coming in from the Conciliar Church. They don't anymore...
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: MaterDominici on July 26, 2018, 07:31:18 PM
If the NO bishop is a bishop, then you're fine. If he's not a bishop, it doesn't matter what he says or does.
Many Trads have serious issues with the new Rite of ordination and the new Rite of consecration. That is why the old SSPX used to conditionally ordain priests coming in from the Conciliar Church. They don't anymore...
Some think there are bigger problems with the rite of consecration than there are with the rite of ordination. Whether you agree or not, this is the reason Fr. Pfeiffer acted out a conditional ordination by the person he's effectively hired to act as a bishop. Fr. Poisson would have probably been less controversial sticking with his FSSP ordination rather than decimating his reputation by officially working with the fraud Moran.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 26, 2018, 09:13:05 PM
Some think there are bigger problems with the rite of consecration than there are with the rite of ordination. Whether you agree or not, this is the reason Fr. Pfeiffer acted out a conditional ordination by the person he's effectively hired to act as a bishop. Fr. Poisson would have probably been less controversial sticking with his FSSP ordination rather than decimating his reputation by officially working with the fraud Moran.
True.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Pax Vobis on July 26, 2018, 10:19:01 PM
The Modernists always attack “the jugular” when they can.  Elect quasi-heretic popes, promote a doubtful mass, consecrate doubtful bishops through doubtful new rites, teach seminarians false and mass-invalidating theology - the Modernists have accomplished as much as can be done, humanly speaking, to destroy Catholicism.  The doubtful bishop rites are a big problem.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Maria Regina on July 26, 2018, 10:37:25 PM
Some think there are bigger problems with the rite of consecration than there are with the rite of ordination. Whether you agree or not, this is the reason Fr. Pfeiffer acted out a conditional ordaination by the person he's effectively hired to act as a bishop. Fr. Poisson would have probably been less controversial sticking with his FSSP ordination rather than decimating his reputation by officially working with the fraud Moran.
Lord have mercy. What a hornet's nest!
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 26, 2018, 11:55:34 PM
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According to Fr. Pfeiffer, +W and the 3 bishops he consecrated are bent on starving OLMC out by refusing them blessed oils, Confirmations and Ordinations. It seems to follow then that if he wants a conditional re-ordination he would be refused that as well, which is why he would need to look elsewhere. They keep saying "God will provide," but they're running out of time. Maybe God is waiting for Fr. P to give the Amateur Exorcist the boot; why he doesn't, might have something to do with money.
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From the perspective of outside OLMC, however, going to Ambrose-Moran is not a solution but just another problem.
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According to +W and the other 3 he consecrated, the formation seminarians at Pfeifferville are getting is not adequate for the priesthood, which is why they are not willing to support them with oils, Confirmations and Orders.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Ladislaus on July 27, 2018, 08:39:05 AM
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According to Fr. Pfeiffer, +W and the 3 bishops he consecrated are bent on starving OLMC out by refusing them blessed oils, Confirmations and Ordinations. It seems to follow then that if he wants a conditional re-ordination he would be refused that as well, which is why he would need to look elsewhere. They keep saying "God will provide," but they're running out of time. Maybe God is waiting for Fr. P to give the Amateur Exorcist the boot; why he doesn't, might have something to do with money.
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From the perspective of outside OLMC, however, going to Ambrose-Moran is not a solution but just another problem.
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According to +W and the other 3 he consecrated, the formation seminarians at Pfeifferville are getting is not adequate for the priesthood, which is why they are not willing to support them with oils, Confirmations and Orders.

While I wouldn't confer Orders, I'd have no real problem with Confirmations and oils (such as for Extreme Unction).  I wouldn't have the faithful be punished on account of the cult leaders.  And the Confirmations and Orders have little to do with the quality of their seminary.  I think it has to do with the fact that Father Pfeiffer keeps publicly attacking Bishop Williamson.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Ladislaus on July 27, 2018, 08:43:48 AM
If the NO bishop is a bishop, then you're fine. If he's not a bishop, it doesn't matter what he says or does.
Many Trads have serious issues with the new Rite of ordination and the new Rite of consecration. That is why the old SSPX used to conditionally ordain priests coming in from the Conciliar Church. They don't anymore...

Father Casavantes, who used to work with the SSPX, had been ordained personally by JP2 in Rome.  He himself didn't have any doubts about the validity of the orders, but said that he wanted to be conditionally ordained so that the faithful could be at peace, and the SSPX had insisted on it also for that reason.  I always found that hilarious, that a priest ordained by John Paul II himself was conditionally ordained.  Father Casavantes eventually went over to the FSSP and is still there.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Ladislaus on July 27, 2018, 08:52:37 AM
And this is another interesting angle on the SSPX regularization.

Here are the FSSP priests in the USA ... about 97.  I guess that the SSPX has about half of that, no?  (I've actually lost count.)
https://fssp.com/new-priest-assignments-announced/

Once the SSPX is "regularized" and they start intermingling with Novus Ordo motu types priests as well as with the FSSP, then what's the difference if the faithful attend an SSPX chapel or an FSSP chapel?  At that point, will the SSPX merge with or be absorbed by the FSSP?  They'd both then be competing for the same market share.  So the faithful would in effect be having to chose between Kellogg's Raisin Bran cereal and Post Raisin Bran.  At the end of the day, they'll just pick based on which chapel is closer and/or possibly which priest(s) they like better.  At that point, the group with the most chapels will win out over time.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: JPaul on July 27, 2018, 09:08:31 AM
While I wouldn't confer Orders, I'd have no real problem with Confirmations and oils (such as for Extreme Unction).  I wouldn't have the faithful be punished on account of the cult leaders.  And the Confirmations and Orders have little to do with the quality of their seminary.  I think it has to do with the fact that Father Pfeiffer keeps publicly attacking Bishop Williamson.
That is a reasonable position to take, it does go to show that there is more going on here than what is said. It would seem that the refusal of all spiritual goods has the purpose of separating those who are left who still have faith in Father Pfeiffer's efforts, from him and driving them to the other "resistance" chapels.
Anyway, if you want to suss out what happened , you have to go back to the beginning, when +W was still in England and Father Pfeiffer was pleading with him to step forward and commit to leading a resistance movement. It is there that the truth is likely to be found before this became a matter of one man's word against another's
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Matthew on July 27, 2018, 09:43:44 AM
According to +W and the other 3 he consecrated, the formation seminarians at Pfeifferville are getting is not adequate for the priesthood, which is why they are not willing to support them with oils, Confirmations and Orders.

Whoah there. You're putting words into the bishop's mouth and/or assuming things you shouldn't assume.

Here are some things to consider, as a more plausible alternate explanation:

1. +W isn't ordaining them because the seminary is a joke. Fr. Pfeiffer wouldn't implement the measures necessary (listed by +Williamson) to make it into a real seminary. Fr. Pfeiffer wouldn't consent to being "under" +Williamson -- so you can't be surprised if +W won't ordain the seminarians.
2. As for the other sacraments, +Williamson has in the past gone out of his way to provide Confirmations a short drive from Boston, KY, so as not to suggest he approves of that sinkhole of scandal, or associate himself in any way with it!
3. Bishop Williamson has been soundly attacked in countless ways by Fr. Pfeiffer & Co. They shouldn't even *want* his Confirmations or his Holy Oils. They have soundly rejected him as a bishop. Why should the bishop feel guilty by not "taking care of" such a group? They want nothing to do with him; +W is just giving them what they want!


No one has a "right" to the priesthood. And a bishop (sacrament dispenser OR classic bishop with jurisdiction) will answer to God for every man he ordains to the priesthood. It's the bishop's job to make sure the candidate is worthy: adequately trained both spiritually and mentally to be adequate for the task. +Williamson didn't find an adequate program of spiritual OR intellectual formation at the Boston "seminary".
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Incredulous on July 27, 2018, 11:24:05 AM
The Pfeiffer forum is making accusations of calumny for what is being said of Fr Poisson, and I can’t see how anyone can reasonably argue against the charge:

Speculation and rash judgment regarding his moral character is all I see in this thread.

Would it really have been so hard to wait for the grand jury report, which is soon to be made public?

For my own part, I am only voicing my concerns regarding the report of an extremely dubious conditional ordination by Mr. Ambrose Moran.

The moral discussion should have waited until the report was made public (unless there is some other concrete and credible evidence to support the accusations being made against this priest).

When and if that should transpire, I will hop on the bandwagon, but not before.

To make such accusations without any evidence better than “he was in PA” and “since Pfeiffer has expressed willingness to associate with those accused and/or convicted of grave moral offenses, it must be true in the present case too” is itself surely gravely rash matter.

And for the record, I am neither Smedley, Fanny, nor any of the other names mentioned on the Pfeiffer forum.

They have a point about the premature accusations constituting calumny, possible slander, and the textbook definition of rash judgment.

Mr. X,

We weren't born yesterday.

Pfeifferville has a long and ugly history.  This apostolate went off the rails in 2012 at the time it was conceived.
And the founders are quite suspect.  One being an exorcist fraud, who opened himself up to demonic possession.
A textbook case: "The devil IN Mr. Hernandez" (https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/the-devil-and-mr-hernandez-6418725)

(https://images1.phoenixnewtimes.com/imager/u/original/6418720/23790.0.jpeg)

You come on here citing cries of calumny from the Pfeiffer "propaganda-blogs". But they fall on deaf ears.

There are no good fruits coming from the Pfeiffer farm. Everyone from there has been tainted.

The Pfieffer apostolate has broken-up families, ripped and confused the works of our legitimate trad resistance.
Just as it was designed to do.

It's very clear now. Hernandez/Pfeiffer are gathering a stable of priests with a cloud a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ scandal about them.

And Fr. Poisson knew this.  He's had years to come up to speed on the Hernandez/Pfeiffer debacle.

Fr. Poisson wasn't born yesterday either.

Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: X on July 27, 2018, 11:35:50 AM
Mr. X,

We weren't born yesterday.

Pfeifferville has a long and ugly history.  This apostolate went off the rails in 2012 at the time it was conceived.
And the founders are quite suspect.  One being an exorcist fraud, who opened himself up to demonic possession.
A textbook case: "The devil IN Mr. Hernandez" (https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/the-devil-and-mr-hernandez-6418725)

(https://images1.phoenixnewtimes.com/imager/u/original/6418720/23790.0.jpeg)

You come on here citing cries of calumny from the Pfeiffer "propaganda-blogs". But they fall on deaf ears.

There are no good fruits coming from the Pfeiffer farm. Everyone from there has been tainted.

The Pfieffer apostolate has broken-up families, ripped and confused the works of our legitimate trad resistance.
Just as it was designed to do.

It's very clear now. Hernandez/Pfeiffer are gathering a stable of priests with a cloud a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ scandal about them.

And Fr. Poisson knew this.  He's had years to come up to speed on the Hernandez/Pfeiffer debacle.

Fr. Poisson wasn't born yesterday either.
Dear Sir-
Because I want you to go to heaven, and do not therefore want to intensify your obstinacy, I will not argue with you.
Maybe when you have some quiet time, you can focus your concentration on what I have said.
Pax, friend.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 27, 2018, 11:44:58 AM
Whoah there. You're putting words into the bishop's mouth and/or assuming things you shouldn't assume.

Here are some things to consider, as a more plausible alternate explanation:

1. +W isn't ordaining them because the seminary is a joke. [In other words, their formation is inadequate, which is what I said.] Fr. Pfeiffer wouldn't implement the measures necessary (listed by +Williamson) to make it into a real seminary. Fr. Pfeiffer wouldn't consent to being "under" +Williamson [See below] -- so you can't be surprised if +W won't ordain the seminarians.
2. As for the other sacraments, +Williamson has in the past gone out of his way to provide Confirmations a short drive from Boston, KY, so as not to suggest he approves of that sinkhole of scandal, or associate himself in any way with it! [Probably the easiest way to avoid the "lay exorcist," too!]
3. Bishop Williamson has been soundly attacked in countless ways by Fr. Pfeiffer & Co. They shouldn't even *want* his Confirmations or his Holy Oils. They have soundly rejected him as a bishop. Why should the bishop feel guilty by not "taking care of" such a group? They want nothing to do with him; +W is just giving them what they want! [See below again -- this is not the only case.]

No one has a "right" to the priesthood. And a bishop (sacrament dispenser OR classic bishop with jurisdiction) will answer to God for every man he ordains to the priesthood. It's the bishop's job to make sure the candidate is worthy: adequately trained both spiritually and mentally to be adequate for the task. +Williamson didn't find an adequate program of spiritual OR intellectual formation at the Boston "seminary".
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I don't claim to be the expert in this; the whole situation is complex and unseemly, a blight on the Traditional movement. 
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I was making some observations based on what I've heard in the online sermons and conferences of Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko, as well as the +W videos. They have a lot of good teaching to offer but then pops up these sore points of contention and disagreement. I know Catholics who are repulsed from Trad groups for this very reason; so overall, it has the effect of driving the youth away to Indult or FSSP or even Novus Ordo, where they can at least imagine that they "feel good." 
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What's a bit alarming is to hear Fr. Pfeiffer say he has sent messages to +W at Broadstairs asking to meet him there, but +W responded that if Fr. P shows up, +W won't be available. Then he said he wants to sit down with +W and show him where he's wrong. Effectively, it pans out to Fr. P not wanting to be "under" +W because Fr. P wants to be "over" +W -- he wants to CORRECT the Bishop. As if he covets the episcopal rank. Then there would be two more bishops opposing each other, as if we don't already have enough of that. ("There will be bishops against bishops...") Can you imagine Fr. P getting so-called consecrated a bishop by Ambrose-Moran? Maybe that's in his long range plans... When A-M gets old and feeble, how would he do otherwise than help out the Priest who "saved" him?
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As for Fr. Pfeiffer not wanting +W's oils or Confirmations, he has several times made clear that Roman Catholics should have nothing to do with Eastern rites -- with a vague reference to Eastern Orthodox, but he doesn't make that clear. With the hyperbole he is accustomed to, it certainly sounds like he has an abiding revulsion of everything Eastern. I have yet to hear him say anything positive about the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, for example. Then he turns around and tries to make excuses for the self-professed history of Ambrose-Moran, as if everyone should ignore all of Fr. P's denigration of the Eastern Rites. What I'm saying is, when he's critical of +W then expects +W to help him, it's not too different from him being critical of Eastern Rites then expecting Ambrose-Moran to help him. IOW it's not a matter of PRINCIPLE with Fr. P, so much a matter of his own consistent self-contradiction. 
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 27, 2018, 11:46:11 AM
I do not hold the position that ordinations by a NO bishop are auto invalid.

That's the traditio.com position, hence, he calls them presbyters.

I hold the ABL position that the new rites are deficient displeasing, not auto invalid.

It is still about Matter, Form, and Intent.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 27, 2018, 11:53:00 AM


The Pfieffer apostolate has broken-up families, ripped and confused the works of our legitimate trad resistance.
Just as it was designed to do.


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But - but - but ---- how could that be, if they're the real Resistance??
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 27, 2018, 01:16:12 PM
On Pfeiffer's Catacombs board there's a recent letter breaking off with his Australia mass coordinator. 

In it, he calls for transparency.

Ironic.

I guess he doesn't think the faithful deserve transparency when he brings in yet another cucaracha priest.

Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Seraphina on July 27, 2018, 03:45:30 PM
On Pfeiffer's Catacombs board there's a recent letter breaking off with his Australia mass coordinator.

In it, he calls for transparency.

Ironic.

I guess he doesn't think the faithful deserve transparency when he brings in yet another cucaracha priest.
Apparently, it is no longer true that OLMC gives the Sacraments to those who request them, despite where or from whom the faithful also resort.  This used to be one of Fr. Pfeiffer’s boasting points. He had nothing but disdain for priests who demanded exclusive loyalty, certain SSPX priests, sedevacantists, for example.  This Australian divorce seems to indicate one must now pledge allegiance to OLMC, Boston to receive their Sacraments, or maybe it’s just too expensive to make the once every 15 months trip to the land down under?  Rather than say so, it’s better spin to declare them heretics.
The money has to provide for the priests fallen from grace.
BTW, who is funding them?  It surely isn’t the priests and odd assortment of hangers-on who live there.  Maybe Pablo’s spells aren’t working so well as formerly.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Matthew on July 27, 2018, 04:52:25 PM
Fr. Poisson has admitted that Ambrose Moran did indeed conditionally "ordain" him.

If you haven't read through the mountain of evidence that Ambrose Moran is a fraud, then I suggest you get started!

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/everything-about-mr-bishop-archbishop-ambrose-moran-the-orthodox/
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: MaterDominici on July 27, 2018, 04:55:34 PM
Fr. Poisson has admitted that Ambrose Moran did indeed conditionally "ordain" him.

If you haven't read through the mountain of evidence that Ambrose Moran is a fraud, then I suggest you get started!

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/everything-about-mr-bishop-archbishop-ambrose-moran-the-orthodox/

If you don't have time for all of that, this is the most obvious indication of fraud. The most basic elements of proof of orders are clearly fabricated docuмents.

It's odd that the certificate stationery is the same from 1974 to 1986 from Catholic to Orthodox from New York to Rome from priest ordination to Bishop consecration. Bishop Kirkland's Orthodox certificate in 1986 and Moran's ordination and his Cardinal Slipyj consecration certificate in 1976 are all printed from the same source. Note that the twelfth star down on the right hand border on all the docuмents have the same stamp imperfection.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Matthew on July 27, 2018, 05:09:42 PM
It would appear that Fr. Poisson:

1. Has a strong Marian schtick going on -- adding Marian prayers to the Leonine Prayers said after Mass, etc.
2. Claims that FSSP frowned on his strong Marian devotion
3. He relies on supernatural help from Mary rather than any kind of human prudence, due diligence, etc.
4. He is totally aloof from the Internet, again relying on Mary to personally send someone to tell him anything he needs to know
5. He considers the Internet 100% evil
6. He is 56 years old, a bit short, and of slender ("not skinny") build.
7. His most notable feature is his piety.
8. He is Canadian and his parents still live in Canada (that was the farm he spent the past 5 years on). Note his French last name.
9. He stated as fact that "bishop" Ambrose Moran conditionally ordained him

So it sounds like he is naive and imprudent to an insane degree.

I might as well get behind the wheel of my car with a blindfold on, relying on Our Lady to get me safely where I need to go. Talk about tempting God!

If he wants to be aloof from the Internet, that's fine. Just stay under someone (like your superiors in the FSSP) and you'll be fine. But if you're going to venture out ON YOUR OWN into the world of Tradition, do you really think there are no wolves to watch out for? How are you going to find out about them, by watching CNN? Oh, that's right -- Mary will personally send an angel or other messenger to give you the news that you could easily get with a Google search, using your brain, or doing your due diligence.

The closer the relationship (say, a bishop ordaining a priest, a priest seeking ordination from a bishop, a priest joining a group, or a person considering a suitor for marriage) the more you need to investigate to make sure you're not making a mistake.

Piety by itself (without doctrine, or prudence) is dangerous and inadequate. Don't you suppose countless young, wet-behind-the-ears priests in the 1950's were plenty pious? But they got sucked into the heresy of Modernism, and the rest is history. To this day, many of these formerly pious priests have done countless damage to the Church and to souls.

Fr. Poisson (and others like him) need to re-read their Scripture. Our Lord said to be simple as doves AND WISE AS SERPENTS.  Fr. Poisson seems to be utterly missing this latter element.

Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Neil Obstat on July 27, 2018, 07:23:09 PM
Fr. Poisson has admitted that Ambrose Moran did indeed conditionally "ordain" him.

If you haven't read through the mountain of evidence that Ambrose Moran is a fraud, then I suggest you get started!

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/everything-about-mr-bishop-archbishop-ambrose-moran-the-orthodox/
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There might have been a statement made about this somewhere, but it seems to me that Fr. Poisson would not have approached Ambrose-Moran for "conditional re-ordination" unless he had  -- 
A)  Already made plans to move to Boston KY
B)  Already spoken to Fr. Pfeiffer about going to Boston, as well as about his concerns about his ordination by a Novus Ordo bishop
C)  Been counseled by Fr. Pfeiffer to ask A-M for his help.
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THEREFORE, since it's highly likely that Fr. Pfeiffer is behind this conditional re-ord., it only remains to ask: "Why would Fr. Pfeiffer think that getting this help from A-M at this time would be of some kind of benefit for the future of OLMC at Boston, KY?" Because if it were NOT for the perceived future benefit of OLMC, it would be rather foolish of Fr. P to suggest that it be done. 
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Note: I'm not referring to the case of Fr. Poissons in particular, but rather to the case of OLMC in general, regarding its future.

Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Matthew on July 30, 2018, 09:50:39 AM
PA report story:

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pa-supreme-court-orders-release-of-redacted-grand-jury-report-20208

Smedley, this is so far out there, it is literally off-topic. What does this have to do with Fr. Poisson?
Oh, it is happening in Pennsylvania and Fr. Poisson worked in Pennsylvania for several years.

SO WHAT?

Not exactly a solid connection, to say the least!

Unless you have some evidence, you really need to stop insinuating things about Fr. Poisson. You have given no reason or evidence, much less proof, that Fr. Poisson is guilty of anything. Trying to blacken a priest's good name is actually sinful.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Smedley Butler on July 30, 2018, 04:25:48 PM
I'm not trying to blacken his name.

Have you called Scranton diocese to check his status? Is he a priest in good standing?  Who knows?

The Scranton Diocese currently has public WARNINGS against THREE priests who are NOT in good standing:

Roberts, Tetherow,  Cordaro


All of whom are "with" Boston.

The FSSP had an entire school shut down in Scranton diocese for sex abuse.


Whoever is named in the report is who to avoid. If Poisson does not end up in the report, good for him!

But as of now, you don't know.

It's called due diligence. 
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Seraphina on July 30, 2018, 04:39:39 PM
If a priest is concerned about his reputation, it seems to me he'd have nothing to do with Boston, KY.  But this also does not mean Fr. Poisson is guilty of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.  Maybe he left the FSSP in Scranton because of that scandal, wanting no part of it.  If, as is implied, he is out of the loop on current events, possibly he was a victim or picked out to be the victim of a fellow priest.  Maybe he fled Scranton to his family farm to recuperate himself.  

Sadly, Fr. may have jumped from the frying pan into the fire.
Title: Re: New priest in Boston, KY
Post by: Matthew on February 08, 2019, 03:39:32 PM
What will Fr. Poisson do now that Ambrose is discredited, even by the cultists in Boston, KY?